Help with Trapper Build - First Life 32 point

[Adz]

Looking for help with a build - going to be duoing with friend - pure pally - and using hirelings. Looking for a Trapper build that will provide solid dps and trapping. Used Strimtom's Acid arrow build as the basis,https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...riendlyhttp:// with 2 rogue levels splashed. I know I will need a DEX Tome to get Combat archery at 21.... but would appreciate any feedback or help.

Requirements: MAX Trapping Skills, Solid DPS (understanding that in order to get MAX trapping skills something has to give)




Trapper Rogue
18/2 Ranger/Rogue
True Neutral Human


Level Order

1. Rogue . . . . . 6. Ranger. . . . .11. Ranger. . . . .16. Ranger
2. Ranger . . . . .7. Ranger . . . . 12. Ranger . . . . 17. Ranger
3. Ranger . . . . .8. Ranger . . . . 13. Ranger . . . . 18. Ranger
4. Ranger . . . . .9. Rogue . . . . .14. Ranger. . . . .19. Ranger
5. Ranger . . . . 10. Ranger . . . . 15. Ranger . . . . 20. Ranger


Stats
. . . . . . . .32pt
. . . . . . . .----
Strength. . . . .8
Dexterity . . . 18
Constitution. . 14
Intelligence. . 14
Wisdom. . . . . 12
Charisma. . . . .8. . .


Skills
. . . . .Rg Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rg Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn
. . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Disable . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Open Lo . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Search. . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Spot. . . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
UMD . . . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Spellcr . 2 .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. 11½
Balance . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .9
Bluff . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Jump. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Haggle. . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Swim. . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
Tumble. . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .44 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 11 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9


Feats (Errors)

.1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.1 Human. : Toughness
.3. . . . : Precision
.6. . . . : Dodge
.9. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
12. . . . : Mobility
15. . . . : Shot on the Run
18. . . . : Weapon Focus: Ranged
21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic . : Combat Archery
26 Destiny: Holy Strike
27 Epic . : Blinding Speed
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Embodiment of Law
30 Epic . : Epic Reflexes
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth

.2 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
.6 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Giant
12 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
17 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Construct


Spells

1. Ram's Might (5), Jump (7), Longstrider (16), Merfolk's Blessing (20)
2. Cure Light Wounds (10), Barkskin (12), Protection from Energy (18)
3. Cure Moderate Wounds (13), Remove Disease (14)
4. Freedom of Movement (16), Cure Serious Wounds (17)

Enhancements (80 AP)

Arcane Archer (40 AP)

• Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows
  1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows, Awareness III
  2. Dispelling Shot III, Force Arrows III, Shock Arrows
  3. Soul Magic, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
  4. Banishing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Flaming Arrows, Dexterity

Deepwood Stalker (39 AP)

• Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot, Advanced Sneak Attack, Mark of the Hunted
  1. Favored Defense III, Increased Empathy I
  2. Survivalist, Improved Weapon Finesse, Melee/Range Power Boost III
  3. Survivalist, Favored Hunter III, Dexterity
  4. Survivalist, Killer III, Merciful Shot, Dexterity
  5. Extra Favored Enemy: Human, Heavy Draw, Strikes Like Lightning, Improved Archer's Focus

Human (1 AP)

• Skills Boost

[unbongwah]

Unless you really need the extra skill points, there's no much point in taking rogue 2. You already get Evasion from ranger level 9 and you don't spend any APs on tier-2 rogue enhancements. So I'd consider a different splash. On a F2P build, I like barb for the +10% runspeed since ranger doesn't get any inherent movement bonuses.

Feats: you don't need Toughness anymore and I'm underwhelmed by the D/M/SotR chain - not enough ROI to be worth three feats, IMO. BTW the builder is giving you an error because you forgot to pick your stat level-ups so technically your DEX is too low for Combat Archery (DEX 21).

So I was thinking something like this:

Archer Trapper (F2P)
18/1/1 Ranger/Barbarian/Rogue
True Neutral Human


Level Order

1. Rogue           6. Ranger         11. Ranger         16. Ranger
2. Ranger          7. Ranger         12. Ranger         17. Ranger
3. Ranger          8. Barbarian      13. Ranger         18. Ranger
4. Ranger          9. Ranger         14. Ranger         19. Ranger
5. Ranger         10. Ranger         15. Ranger         20. Ranger


Stats
               32pt     Level Up
               ----     --------
Strength         8       4: DEX
Dexterity       16       8: DEX
Constitution    14      12: DEX
Intelligence    16      16: DEX
Wisdom          14      20: DEX
Charisma         8      24: DEX
                        28: DEX

Skills
         Rg Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Bn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Disable   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Search    4  1  1  1  1  1  1     2  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Spot      4  1  1  1  1  1  1     2  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
UMD       4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Concent   2  2  2     2     2     2     2     2     2     2     2     22
Open Lo   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1     1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  22
Spellcr   2        1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1  11
Balance   4                                                            4
Jump      4                                                            4
Hide      4                                                            4
Move Si   4                                                            4
Tumble    4                                                            4
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         48 10 10 10 10 10 10  8 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10


Feats

 1        : Point Blank Shot
 1 Human  : Least Dragonmark: Passage
 3        : Precision
 6        : Quicken Spell
 9        : Improved Critical: Ranged
12        : Empower Healing Spell
15        : Weapon Focus: Ranged
18        : Spell Focus: Enchantment
21 Epic   : Combat Archery
24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Holy Strike OR Epic Spell Power: Acid
27 Epic   : Blinding Speed OR Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Embodiment of Law OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Watchful Eye OR Epic Damage Reduction
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth

 2 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
 6 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Construct
12 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
17 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Elemental


Enhancements (80 AP)

Deepwood Stalker (42 AP)
Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot, Advanced Sneak Attack, Mark of the Hunted
Stealthy III, Increased Empathy III
Survivalist, Improved Weapon Finesse, Melee/Range Power Boost III
Survivalist, Thrill of the Hunt III, Favored Hunter III
Survivalist, Killer III, Merciful Shot
Extra Favored Enemy: Giant, Heavy Draw, Strikes Like Lightning, Head Shot, Improved Archer's Focus

Arcane Archer (31 AP)
Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows
Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows
Force Arrows I, Elemental Damage
Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage, Dexterity

Human (7 AP)
Damage Boost
Dragonmark Focus: Orien II, Improved Recovery
Lesser Dragonmark: Dimension Door

Apart from a cool glowing tattoo - which is obviously the most important feature - the Passage Dragonmark gives you Expeditious Retreat right away and Dimension Door later on. DDoor is both a handy emergency exit and certain quests are easier/faster to finish when you can jump back to the entrance rather than backtracking on your feet.

The Concentration skill just got a major buff so it's should be useful now (knock on wood), but I hedged my bets by also picking up Quicken. Or you could spend those points on Heal instead for higher Positive Spellpower.

Like I said, the barb splash is for the run speed. It also adds medium armor proficiency which you might want to use for a couple of levels instead of light until you get Evasion at level 11 (rgr 9 / rog 1 / barb 1). You can take it sooner, but I wanted to grab Manyshot ASAP since that's your most important ranged feat.

Due to AP and skill pt constraints, I didn't build for stealth. But if you want to do so, know that the Assassin Stealthy and DWS Faster Sneaking speed bonuses will stack together. You could take Move Silently instead of Concentration, then use Invisibility (drinking potions or UMDing wands) to make up for not having Hide.

[Adz]

Unless you really need the extra skill points, there's no much point in taking rogue 2. You already get Evasion from ranger level 9 and you don't spend any APs on tier-2 rogue enhancements. So I'd consider a different splash. On a F2P build, I like barb for the +10% runspeed since ranger doesn't get any inherent movement bonuses.

Much appreciated for you taking the time to review and suggest. One question, would it be worth going with Fighter instead of Barb for the extra weapon feat?

I also noticed you put a lot of points into Concentration. What is the benefit of this to the build?

Again - appreciate your time.

[HungarianRhapsody]

Requirements: MAX Trapping Skills, Solid DPS (understanding that in order to get MAX trapping skills something has to give)

This is incorrect. You do not need to give up anything meaningful to get MAX trapping skills.

Start with 14 INT and just keep putting points into Search and Disable Device and make sure that you're crafting level appropriate gear for Search and Disable Device. Make sure you have a Good Luck item and use Heroism potions until you can scroll Greater Heroism on yourself.

Have a True Seeing item and a +reflex save item (the +10 Reflex save bonus on armor from the Xoriat themed quests is great)

You might not be able to survive combat on R10, but you'll be able to get the traps. That will be true just about no matter what class you have added to Rogue or Artificer.

[unbongwah]

One question, would it be worth going with Fighter instead of Barb for the extra weapon feat?

Up to you, but I don't feel like on a pure ranged build you're missing any necessary heroic feats, whereas an inherent +10% runspeed is an overall QoL improvement. The first time you need to kite a mob, you realize how important moving fast really is.

I also noticed you put a lot of points into Concentration. What is the benefit of this to the build?

https://ddowiki.com/page/Concentration

"When you take damage you roll a D20 + your Concentration score against a difficulty class of 10 + one tenth of the damage received + the level of the spell you are trying to cast. This check occurs when either casting from spellpoints or using a scroll."

The "one tenth of damage received" is new. It used to be based on the full damage received, which made Concentration useless in higher levels / difficulties because it was literally impossible to boost Concentration high enough to offset full damage. As I said, it's not a must-have because I also took the Quicken metamagic feat, but it is hopefully worth the skill points now.

[Adz]

Interesting. Thanks to everyone for your help. I will give this a go and see how it fairs.

[beau_burnham]

Interesting. Thanks to everyone for your help. I will give this a go and see how it fairs.

Terrible build. You should reroll.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Terrible build. You should reroll.

Sounds to me like a pure troll attempt, especially since you give no better example (as I see this, yout post count is exactly 1 - the post I quoted here).

[beau_burnham]

Sounds to me like a pure troll attempt, especially since you give no better example (as I see this, yout post count is exactly 1 - the post I quoted here).

Definite troll. But I'm the guy he's playing with.