Other peoples bonuses, vip status or pre-orders, should not penalize other players!

[eterna1_drag0n]

The Racial Completionist Feat states "When more non-iconic races are added, this feat will deactivate and you will need to gain those new past lives before this benefit reactivates." Tieflings have been added to the game but "not officially." They are available early as part of a promotion and they are also not officially included as part of the Sharn expansion, just an enticement to pre-order. I have no desire pre-order because cosmetics hold little to no value to me and I have plenty of points to buy it later. I support the game, I buy points. I do not support a mechanic that penalizes me for not pre-ordering or paying for a monthly sub.

So I say, reactivate the racial completionist feat or put tiefling in the store! Other peoples bonuses, vip status or pre-orders, should not penalize the other players!

[Memnir]

They are available early as part of a promotion and they are also not officially included as part of the Sharn expansion

No. If you buy Sharn, you also buy Tieflings. It's included with the Standard Edition of the expansion, found here. I believe the early play for the race is a bonus for the any packages, including Standard. VIPs can also play them right now, without any Sharn purchase. That privilege is earned by paying for it.

But, if you intend to play Sharn at all when it launches on the 30th - you will also play the new race. Or be VIP.



It's a choice. Want to regain the Racial Completionist? Buy Sharn or VIP.
If not, wait until September when the race is in the Store a la carte. The only penalty is self-inflicted.

[Goldenlogic123]

they should just do away with completionist bonuses all together.

[askrj1]

The same thing happened when Aasimar was added with Ravenloft preorders, I don't see why this is an issue now. You pay to play the additional races for the completionist. If you want to do it the "free" way by waiting for the races to be bought on points that's up to you, but that shouldn't diminish the paid early access privileges.

[OrodelaSol]

they should just do away with completionist bonuses all together.

Why? or trolling?

[CSQ]

Why? or trolling?

I remember a while back there were a few people who said that TR, completionist, guild, reaper and other bonuses (or some person subset of those) were unnecessary sources of power creep. I'll assume that was what the comment was going for, to be more charitable than trolling.

I think the OP has a fair point, but at the same time, I would guess most people with racial completionist (not all, probably, but most) would be willing/able to drop $40 for the expansion and race. If it's anywhere as good as Ravenloft, Sharn will be well worth it. Still, I think time exclusive content is s pain. I don't think it's quite as dramatic as the OP makes it seem. What I would like to see is more truly F2P content so I can get people into the game easier. There's a lot of older content that would gather less dust off it were F2P, and in 2019 it's hard to bring people in with so much content behind a pay gate. So many good, fully free games exist, which makes it hard for me to justify getting my student friends hooked on a game that we can't really play together unless they buy points, farm, it subscribe.

[slarden]

The bonus isn't game breaking and there is no penalty since all players have the opportunity to get tiefling.

After so many threads about how VIP is not worth it - it's good to see a thread like this for a change.

[Loholt-UK]

they should just do away with completionist bonuses all together.

I worked hard to get mine. Do away with your toon, there is a delete option.

[Loholt-UK]

Other peoples bonuses, vip status or pre-orders, should not penalize other players!

You are unhappy with VIP access to the Tiefling race taking away your racial completionist bonus, well it took away mine too and I'm a VIP so I fail to see how you have been hard done to. I now have to do 3 Tiefling lives to get it back, the same as you do. The only difference is that I've paid for access to the race that I now need to play to get my bonus back so it seems the obvious solution is for you to pay too. The race is available to you, you can either buy Sharn or become VIP.

Other people's unwillingness to pay for content should not penalise paying customers! - There, fixed it for you.

[janave]

I would have less trouble with good faith purchases, if the company was all for the players recently.

re: amber temple
re: aggro mess
re: customer support
re: massive amount of choices to bug players

Other than that it would have cost them nothing to make PRE purchases actually give something PRE launch for those who arent TR grinding the game 24/7.

20 Astral Shards when a random mostly trash dispenser roll is 15, is not really a "something" in this case

[CaptainPurge]

they should just do away with completionist bonuses all together.

[Chacka_DDO]

The Racial Completionist Feat states "When more non-iconic races are added, this feat will deactivate and you will need to gain those new past lives before this benefit reactivates." Tieflings have been added to the game but "not officially." They are available early as part of a promotion and they are also not officially included as part of the Sharn expansion, just an enticement to pre-order. I have no desire pre-order because cosmetics hold little to no value to me and I have plenty of points to buy it later. I support the game, I buy points. I do not support a mechanic that penalizes me for not pre-ordering or paying for a monthly sub.

So I say, reactivate the racial completionist feat or put tiefling in the store! Other peoples bonuses, vip status or pre-orders, should not penalize the other players!

This boils down to the old moral problem if it is a penalty if someone doesn't get something because he did not meet the requirements or is it only a deserved reward if you meet the requirements.

By logic, it is quite clear that with the introduction of a new race you are no longer a "completionist" because you obviously did not play all available races in the DDO-world.
And the in-game tooltips also tell you clearly that you lose the completionist feat with the introduction of a new race, so you can prepare mentally for that...


howsoever your demands that tiefling should be available in the DDO Store are not wrong but this is, of course, a kind of business decision, SSG most likely wants to animate the players to pay a chunk of real money directly for the new expansion.
At first, this seems to be "smart" but the question remains what consequences it got for the relationship between players and SSG.
The message is clear, intended or not, most important for SSG is to get the players money.
This reminds me of a statement the CEO of the company who ran Ever Quest once made, he said something like: "I dont care about the opinions of the players, I just only care whether they have a valid credit card"

But aside from that, I still don't understand that you have to play the races three times to be a completionist.
The class completionist requirement makes much more sense, you played all classes one time and therefore you get additional power.
Why is it need by logic to spin the wheel two more times?
And for the class completionist feat, all other past life feats are passive and you don't need to spend a feat slot for it.
Why is it need to spend a feat for the class completionist?
As usual, you can do everything in a game but these are inconsistencies who should be removed in my opinion.

[Niminae]

I have no desire pre-order because cosmetics hold little to no value to me and I have plenty of points to buy it later.

Hey then you are in luck! There are zero cosmetics included in the basic pack! Or, your plenty of points will be waiting for you to spend in September when the race goes on sale for points.

[Chai]

"Penalty" or not (depending on which side of the rules lawyering fence you are on) - they sure are using expansion packages as soft barriers to character power acquisition / maintenance.

[Loholt-UK]

"Penalty" or not (depending on which side of the rules lawyering fence you are on) - they sure are using expansion packages as soft barriers to character power acquisition / maintenance.

I'd say it was a hard barrier to character power acquisition. If you don't buy the expansion you don't get the sweet new loot and I guarantee that Sharn loot will make RL loot good for nothing but sentient food (in fact, I think you can check for yourself now as some of it has been announced). It's not unusual in the gaming industry, WoW does it every two years.

[Enoach]

One of the initial benefits of being VIP is you had access to new content before everyone else. However, the last time that actually occurred to my recollection was when the Lordsmarch Plaza quests were introduced.

I do find it humorous that early access to Tiefling race is seen as a "penalty". Especially since the opportunity of access is available to everyone. You might have an argument against it if SSG excluded our EU friends

[awar1234]

The Racial Completionist Feat states "When more non-iconic races are added, this feat will deactivate and you will need to gain those new past lives before this benefit reactivates." Tieflings have been added to the game but "not officially." They are available early as part of a promotion and they are also not officially included as part of the Sharn expansion, just an enticement to pre-order. I have no desire pre-order because cosmetics hold little to no value to me and I have plenty of points to buy it later. I support the game, I buy points. I do not support a mechanic that penalizes me for not pre-ordering or paying for a monthly sub.

So I say, reactivate the racial completionist feat or put tiefling in the store! Other peoples bonuses, vip status or pre-orders, should not penalize the other players!

Buy the preorder expansion, go VIP, or shut up.
It is NOT you place to tell a company how to run their business.
Speak with your wallet. It is the strongest voice to those who desire money

Ps. Those who bought the preorder already spoke with their wallet. ...... therefore they will override your complaints..
Very simple concept really......