Huge Ruins of Threnal bug?

[Question2005]

I have done all 3 excavations on this life and they were present in the journal. So as the wiki says, just abandon either the western or eastern excavation, do the 3 quests in that part again, then talk to Sal and choose "is there more to do here?", and he will send you to do the southern excavation....right? I have done this before and only needed to do re-complete 2/3 parts of the quest chain.

This time round I put up a LFM, 2 people joined, and one of them shared the eastern excavation. I clicked "yes" since I was planning to re-do that anyway. I completed the eastern excavation, talked to Sal, chose "Is there more to do here?", and instead of sending me to do the southern excavation, I suddenly had 3 "Quest reset" messages pop up and all the Threnal quests vanished from my journal.

Now, when I talk to Sal, he only has two options : Repeat the eastern excavation and "Is there more to do here?". If I chose the latter, he tells me they need time to finish shifting through the library and tells me to talk to the western excavation guy instead of sending me to the southern excavation. There are no Threnal quests in my journal however, not even the eastern excavation that I just completed a few minutes ago.

Not sure what happened here. Does sharing any of the Threnal quests cause the whole chain to break?

For those who are confused as to what the issue is, if you have already done all 3 parts, you can abandon either the western or eastern excavation, re-do whatever you abandoned, then go straight to the southern excavation. From the wiki : "Once the three are complete (be careful to not select the "repeat quests" option with Jal) go to Sal Danek and select the "Is there more to do here?" option. He will then send you to Zaveera Halfspear to complete the southern excavation chain. "

[askrj1]

The quest flag was "fixing" itself because you didn't go through the "proper" flow of the chain. I don't think Threnal was meant to be repeatable by running 2/3s but the devs have no intention of fixing that. I wouldn't call it a huge bug unless it prevents you from being able to complete the entire chain ever again.

In general I would avoid accepting shares for reflagging any old content as it might break the chain flags somewhere you don't want it to. Off the top of my head similar flag mechanisms would be Necro1&2 Crypt flagging, but I'm not going to test that one out...

[Cantor]

Sounds like you will have to abandon/reset all and start over. The abandoning one side to get the chain is shady, though it works, it's likely not "WAI".

ie. to get the chain rewards you should rerun the whole chain, breaking system and then it breaking is the cost of trying to break the system, I guess.

[Bjond]

IIRC, the wiki has some notes about how to partial abandon and repeat (it works), but there are caveats. I also recall reading about issues with quest sharing bugging things, though not necessarily for the Threnal series. Suspect that's what messed it up for you.

[HungarianRhapsody]

Threnal is broken in the same way that the Necropolis quests are broken. If you retake one of the quests after completing it, you lose the flagging for the end quests

I'm sorry that happened to you. It's very frustrating.

[Nonesuch2008]

All I can say is for Threnal and the early Necro chains, never, EVER accept a share. It may work at times, but when it bites a party member, it really bites.

[Dragavon]

This is not a bug. You are not supposed to be able to redo south without doing both east and west first.

Resetting and redoing only east can be called an exploit I guess.

What happened when you accepted the share was that all quests reset like they are supposed to do.

You should never ever accept shares for quests that are part of a chain like this, where completing one quest opens up the next.

[HungarianRhapsody]

This is not a bug. You are not supposed to be able to redo south without doing both east and west first.

Resetting and redoing only east can be called an exploit I guess.

What happened when you accepted the share was that all quests reset like they are supposed to do.

You should never ever accept shares for quests that are part of a chain like this, where completing one quest opens up the next.

If it isn't a bug, it's TERRIBLE design

[askrj1]

If it isn't a bug, it's TERRIBLE design

I don't think anyone mentioned this design is good. But it's also dated, as is most of "flagging" in DDO. It's essentially choosing a shortcut but then taking a wrong turn, then there really isn't much you can blame besides yourself when this sort of thing happens. Regardless OP is asking as if it's a huge broken thing in DDO. It isn't. Maybe they could have used more warning stickers, but that's about as much as I'll give it.