Please fix this EXPLOIT!

[DrawingGuy]

Things like this has lead to the death of optional XP in many quests. I've never been a zerger - I like doing optionals and running every quest... but as the optionals get zapped, even I have to question the point of them. All you will accomplish here is possibly adding this quest to the list.

People like easy. Optional farms have been around for at least as long as TRs have existed, "EEEEEEHN" type farms as well, people don't do slayers because they're the best XP/Min but because they're super easy, etc. Killing one option means people will simply look for another.

I do find this mentality particularly frustrating on Thelanis. People just want to run EH raids for an easy completion, a failed run will cause the party to disintegrate rather than encourage to try again with new strategies (or just go back in on EH/EN), and is a server that has posts for Wiz King opts up more often than any other epic quest. Unfortunately between still being on the TR train and being in a mostly inactive guild, I haven't been able to really try and help the Reaper Raid issue, but I do try to do my part for questing. I never do the WK optional farm and always post LFMs when I'm running. I typically have my parties fill even with WK options competing against them, which shows not everyone wants just easy XP. Simply post LFMs yourself, and that is the best way to combat this. There are still a lot of players that are newer/purely social and see what is available in the LFM panel as their options of what to play. Don't make WK Optionals the only option and you can help break people of that habit.

If only more people used microphones, though...

[Inanout]

Is this better then orchard slayers ?

It truly does not matter to me how others play as It really never ever actually am affected by it.

I have 6 account 3 of the I run together regularly. Devils assault I can pike all three to completion letting hireling do all the work. Does someone want to nerf that too?

[Alled78]

This is just from a few hours of playing. Of course I have to solo everything since everyone on my server is busy cheating. There are absolutely no 20+ groups for anything else ever. Is this really how you want your game to be played? All the content ignored with only a single old quest being exploited.

Completing the quests on en gives u more xp

They waste time

[Gywiden]

It's not really a legitimate problem. If people want to spend all their time in game running the same quest over and over and has no impact on him then they should be allowed to. If people want to grind let them grind...don't create a problem where there isn't one. If the OP doesn't want to run WK then the simplest solution is to just not run it. Put something else up or go find xp elsewhere. Some people joined this game late and don't mind exchanging the boring grind to help catch up and bridge the gap and this helps them do that. The last thing we need to do is to run people off because a few people don't approve of how they spend their time in game. They're not breaking anything, they're not getting something for nothing...let them kill all the skellies and mummies they want and everyone can enjoy the game in their own way.

They play that quest because it is less grindy than the other options, not because they want to grind. If epic leveling was more like heroic with plenty of quests and XP to go around, this wouldn't be an issue. I disagree with the OP just like you do. But the problem he sees is a symptom of a much bigger problem.

[kain741]

They play that quest because it is less grindy than the other options, not because they want to grind. If epic leveling was more like heroic with plenty of quests and XP to go around, this wouldn't be an issue. I disagree with the OP just like you do. But the problem he sees is a symptom of a much bigger problem.

IMO the only solution to the WK farm is to reset all first time bonuses with every ETR. Without doing that people will ultimately gravitate to what can save them hours on a life...as well they should...we should all value our time in and out of game. Since we know they are not going to reset first time bonuses this is a good option for newer players and alts to catch up.

[Sho-sa]

This is just from a few hours of playing. Of course I have to solo everything since everyone on my server is busy cheating. There are absolutely no 20+ groups for anything else ever. Is this really how you want your game to be played? All the content ignored with only a single old quest being exploited.

I will give you two pieces of advice.

1- If you don't like what the group is playing, don't join.

2- You do not have to solo the game. You can make your own groups and not completely depend on joining the groups of others. In the Social Panel (which I see you can access) you can follow the upper bar headers and set up your own LFMs. There is a drop down menu which you use to select the quest you wish to play, you can type in a message at the bottom (if you wish), select your desired level range (careful here as the default setting will break Bravery bonus streaks), and even request only certain classes. Other people will request to join your group (you will see requests show up in the screen on the bottom left with default bars such as: General, Party, etc.). Click the 'accept' option in your chat screen area and you will now have an adventuring party!

I am sorry you have had to play for six years and never knew you could do this and not have to rely just on soloing or joining other parties. Hopefully, this will improve your experience with DDO and you will have a more enjoyable gaming experience!

[AbyssalMage]

Is this better then orchard slayers ?

It truly does not matter to me how others play as It really never ever actually am affected by it.

I have 6 account 3 of the I run together regularly. Devils assault I can pike all three to completion letting hireling do all the work. Does someone want to nerf that too?

I've done the King's Forest Necro Farm so this is about as far as my experience goes...

4 to 6 players + Slayer Pot + xp pot = is about the same xp as Wiz King

Wiz King only needs 3 + xp pot. So mathematically it's better because you need one less pot. And Explorers don't reset when you ER which makes them a "once a life" deal.

[Renvar]

Not an exploit.

Also, not that great an idea. Isn't faster than running R1 varied content for completion. You get R-XP, as much Epic XP/min, and named loot (even if it is just sentient food in some content).

If people want to mind-numbingly re-run the same content over and over and bypass character progression options like R-XP and loot because they *think* it is faster or because it is easier for their build, then more power to them.

[Chai]

IMO the only solution to the WK farm is to reset all first time bonuses with every ETR. Without doing that people will ultimately gravitate to what can save them hours on a life...as well they should...we should all value our time in and out of game. Since we know they are not going to reset first time bonuses this is a good option for newer players and alts to catch up.

Promoting this as the good option to catch up is another feather in the cap of NOT playing alts.

I'll just stick with the one main if the META option for getting eXP is farming opts in the same one quest over and over again.

Keep in mind I dont care if they fix it or not. It just shouldnt be the META option.

[Question2005]

They play that quest because it is less grindy than the other options, not because they want to grind. If epic leveling was more like heroic with plenty of quests and XP to go around, this wouldn't be an issue. I disagree with the OP just like you do. But the problem he sees is a symptom of a much bigger problem.

The problem is that leveling in epics is the opposite of heroics.

In heroics you do elite/r1 for max xp, most of the quests are still doable with 1-2 people well geared and built characters, which is what the usual party size is in heroics due to having a really small level range where you can party unlike epics. Oh and the small server population combined with many people refusing to put up LFMs if there is no buddy bonus going on.

In epics you farm EN dailies because EE with the bravery bonus for most quests does not give you enough xp considering how ridiculously hard EE is, especially at low epics where you use mostly heroic gear because most low epic named gear is outdated.

Doing level 15 quests at level on EE/r1 is perfectly doable with named or crafted gear in that level range. Doing EE GH at level, even with the best named armor from Price of Freedom (which has mobs that hit for more than Legendary Ravenloft by the way) means getting hit for 200+ hp, so your average melee character dies in 4-5 hits. This results in people avoiding it and farming EN dailies instead, which give you way higher xp/min for no effort at all.

The heroic progression model is built around elite/r1 with the bravery bonus. This works because EE/R1 is easy enough that small parties can do most quests without a problem. Then you get to epics where that model fails to work because the effort required to do EE is way too high, especially with a small server population making grouping difficult, so people go to the next best option : farming EN dailies.

When I first got into epics, I did the MOTU quests with BB and party of 4-5 people. xp/min was really poor, especially considering that we had near wipes several times on certain boss fights and the mini bosses constantly healing themselves. I mean, those quests had like, 15-20k base xp, so even with the BB, it couldnt compare to a juicy quest like mirror or wgu. And when I tried to get the BB on EE GH quests, the quests were basically carried by ranged characters who could kite with impunity because the mobs just hit too hard for melee without constant healing.

[Emerge2012]

Promoting this as the good option to catch up is another feather in the cap of NOT playing alts.

I'll just stick with the one main if the META option for getting eXP is farming opts in the same one quest over and over again.

Keep in mind I dont care if they fix it or not. It just shouldnt be the META option.

In what way does fast xp hinder alts?

[banjo174]

Perhaps I dont understand what the Wizard King farm is? I mean... If you are talking about just farming the very first gnoll optional... That is not great experience in the long run lol. Sure, it starts off being decent, maybe 5k xp per minute **Impossible demands is a lot more per minute**, But eventually the xp given per optional completion in wizard king goes down, making it less than 1k xp per minute.

That being said, perhaps I dont understand the whole story. Maybe theres another optional they are doing that makes it worth it? But... Doing R1 first time bonus usually nets me 10-15k xp per minute, sometimes more. *shrugs*, I understand people have alts, and these alts wont be able to do reaper fast enough to make it better xp per minute, that being said, there are faster ways to get xp on epic normal/epic hard, or even slayer zones. If people want to get **** experience, let them get **** experience.

[Lonnbeimnech]

Perhaps I dont understand what the Wizard King farm is? I mean... If you are talking about just farming the very first gnoll optional... That is not great experience in the long run lol. Sure, it starts off being decent, maybe 5k xp per minute **Impossible demands is a lot more per minute**, But eventually the xp given per optional completion in wizard king goes down, making it less than 1k xp per minute.

That being said, perhaps I dont understand the whole story. Maybe theres another optional they are doing that makes it worth it? But... Doing R1 first time bonus usually nets me 10-15k xp per minute, sometimes more. *shrugs*, I understand people have alts, and these alts wont be able to do reaper fast enough to make it better xp per minute, that being said, there are faster ways to get xp on epic normal/epic hard, or even slayer zones. If people want to get **** experience, let them get **** experience.

that's where you're wrong, friendo

[banjo174]

that's where you're wrong, friendo

I literally just tested it. I got 3.3k, 3.2k, then it went down to 2k something, 1k something, and 700. I guess if you want to tell me what I did wrong, I did it on R1. Feel free to tell me what I did wrong.

Other than just telling me I am wrong, if you can explain why I am wrong, that would be appreciated.

[Lonnbeimnech]

I literally just tested it. I got 3.3k, 3.2k, then it went down to 2k something, 1k something, and 700. I guess if you want to tell me what I did wrong, I did it on R1. Feel free to tell me what I did wrong.

Other than just telling me I am wrong, if you can explain why I am wrong, that would be appreciated.

Thing is, despite 6 or 7 people in this thread, including myself, saying it's not an exploit, I don't think it would be a good idea to spell out how to do it on the forums.

[banjo174]

Thing is, despite 6 or 7 people in this thread, including myself, saying it's not an exploit, I don't think it would be a good idea to spell out how to do it on the forums.

Well, if its not an exploit, then it isn't a bannable offense. So, you are most likely lying when you say that it isn't an exploit. *shrugs* If it is doable by normal means, then the worst case scenario, they do what they did was crucible. Just give you the experience at the end of the quest.

[Varr]

I literally just tested it. I got 3.3k, 3.2k, then it went down to 2k something, 1k something, and 700. I guess if you want to tell me what I did wrong, I did it on R1. Feel free to tell me what I did wrong.

Other than just telling me I am wrong, if you can explain why I am wrong, that would be appreciated.

Optionals as well as quest xp scale down as your completions scale up working towards ransack. Not completing causes a freeze of scale to first run always parameters. Varr has 100 lives and alts on every server...I've farmed hundreds of guild pots from cannith challenges, and still think WK Opt farm is a bullet to the brain grind. What a waste of a day.

[banjo174]

Optionals as well as quest xp scale down as your completions scale up working towards ransack. Not completing causes a freeze of scale to first run always parameters. Varr has 100 lives and alts on every server...I've farmed hundreds of guild pots from cannith challenges, and still think WK Opt farm is a bullet to the brain grind. What a waste of a day.

Agreed. Unless someone can share some information to prove that doing this wizard king opt farm is better experience per minute. I would rather continue getting GOOD xp on reaper first time bonuses

[Lonnbeimnech]

Agreed. Unless someone can share some information to prove that doing this wizard king opt farm is better experience per minute. I would rather continue getting GOOD xp on reaper first time bonuses

for the people doing 36 straight epic lives, that have used up first time bonus for NHE&R...

[Gywiden]

IMO the only solution to the WK farm is to reset all first time bonuses with every ETR. Without doing that people will ultimately gravitate to what can save them hours on a life...as well they should...we should all value our time in and out of game. Since we know they are not going to reset first time bonuses this is a good option for newer players and alts to catch up.

The problem is that leveling in epics is the opposite of heroics.

In heroics you do elite/r1 for max xp, most of the quests are still doable with 1-2 people well geared and built characters, which is what the usual party size is in heroics due to having a really small level range where you can party unlike epics. Oh and the small server population combined with many people refusing to put up LFMs if there is no buddy bonus going on.

In epics you farm EN dailies because EE with the bravery bonus for most quests does not give you enough xp considering how ridiculously hard EE is, especially at low epics where you use mostly heroic gear because most low epic named gear is outdated.

Doing level 15 quests at level on EE/r1 is perfectly doable with named or crafted gear in that level range. Doing EE GH at level, even with the best named armor from Price of Freedom (which has mobs that hit for more than Legendary Ravenloft by the way) means getting hit for 200+ hp, so your average melee character dies in 4-5 hits. This results in people avoiding it and farming EN dailies instead, which give you way higher xp/min for no effort at all.

The heroic progression model is built around elite/r1 with the bravery bonus. This works because EE/R1 is easy enough that small parties can do most quests without a problem. Then you get to epics where that model fails to work because the effort required to do EE is way too high, especially with a small server population making grouping difficult, so people go to the next best option : farming EN dailies.

When I first got into epics, I did the MOTU quests with BB and party of 4-5 people. xp/min was really poor, especially considering that we had near wipes several times on certain boss fights and the mini bosses constantly healing themselves. I mean, those quests had like, 15-20k base xp, so even with the BB, it couldnt compare to a juicy quest like mirror or wgu. And when I tried to get the BB on EE GH quests, the quests were basically carried by ranged characters who could kite with impunity because the mobs just hit too hard for melee without constant healing.

Good points, but this is only part of the problem. You could do Hard BB through heroics and still have plenty of XP. If you do EH BB, you don't. There are only 97 Quests levels 20-29. There are more than that in levels 1-6 (110, 111 if you ran the Grotto, and only one of these is a raid and is very solo-able). But we don't get a lot of extra epic quests unless you count legendary, and they aren't viable for low-mid epics. And with grazing hits, they aren't viable until level 29 unless you have a FoM build or have friends carrying you. Even then, they don't come close to how many heroic quests we have.

Epic BB needs to reset on ETR, yes. But that only helps people running consecutive ETRs and doesn't fix the overall problem. EE and Epic Reaper is not for most players and this is a huge part of the problem. Grazing hits in Legendary is also a huge part of the problem making it so Legendary quests aren't filling the xp gap. But the biggest problem is there are very few epic quests to run in the first place. And this is why we have people running dailies like this. You wouldn't need dailies if you had hundreds of epic quests to run.