Racial reincarnation on Iconics

[systemshaker1941]

Every iconic is already based on an existing race; why not let people get that racial past life on a TR from 30?

I know for me the slog from 1-20 is not very fun; I got most of my class past-lives doing Iconics. The addition of racial TRs breathed some new life into the game, but not for those of us that don't enjoy early heroics.

[Swimms]

Every iconic is already based on an existing race; why not let people get that racial past life on a TR from 30?

I know for me the slog from 1-20 is not very fun; I got most of my class past-lives doing Iconics. The addition of racial TRs breathed some new life into the game, but not for those of us that don't enjoy early heroics.

So are you suggesting you get an Iconic, Heroic, and Racial PL going from 15-30? A lot of people had many of the heroic PL's before iconics came out which disincentives a run from 15-30 for a heroic PL they don't need. I would be OK if they gave you a choice of either racial or heroic PL along with the Iconic PL from 15-30 but not all 3. Either way, it will never happen.

[C-Dog]

...why not let people get that racial past life on a TR from 30?...

The terms you're using are all over the map, so not sure exactly what you're suggesting. I'm sure you're familiar w/ all this, but for those who aren't, let's walk thru it term by term...

Currently, w/ an Iconic Reincarnation, a character must have started as Iconic (from Level 15), and then has to 1) go to 30, and 2) spend 4200 Commendations of Valor. That gets them a) an Iconic PL, plus b) a Heroic (aka "class") PL.*

(* This is not 2 diff reincarnation processes, you get both benefits from the one IR.)

For current Racial Reincarnation, a character must have started as a Heroic character (from Level 1), and then has to 1) go to 20, and 2) spend 20 Tokens of the Twelve. That gets them either a Heroic (aka "class") PL or a Racial PL.

There currently is no separate "Iconic Racial" Reincarnation option - it's the Iconic PL plus the Heroic, both at once. (So I'm not sure what you're aiming to get out of that.)


Are you suggesting that, if a character has no interest in the TR aspect (for a class PL), that they be able to spend 20 Tokens of the Twelve at Level 30 and just get the Iconic PL benefit?

[Swimms]

Are you suggesting that, if a character has no interest in the TR aspect (for a class PL), that they be able to spend 20 Tokens of the Twelve at Level 30 and just get the Iconic PL benefit?

I think he wants to get racial PL's but does not want to have to run 1-20.

[Yamani]

Every iconic is already based on an existing race; why not let people get that racial past life on a TR from 30?

I know for me the slog from 1-20 is not very fun; I got most of my class past-lives doing Iconics. The addition of racial TRs breathed some new life into the game, but not for those of us that don't enjoy early heroics.

The Iconic IS the racial past life. You get an iconic past life feat(which is based off the race) and the class.

[C-Dog]

The Iconic IS the racial past life. You get an iconic past life feat(which is based off the race) and the class.

Exactly - and yet he wants something different. Exactly what that is has yet to be clarified. :/

I think he wants to get racial PL's but does not want to have to run 1-20.

If(?) that's the case, yeah, no, proly not gonna happen. That feels like it would require a rework of much of the Reincarnation mechanism.

But who knows?

[systemshaker1941]

Basically instead of getting the Iconic and Heroic Class Past Life, you could just get the racial past life for the original race - E.G. Bladeforged gets you a Warforged racial PL.

This would be INSTEAD OF the other PLs, not in addition to.

[C-Dog]

Doesn't sound unreasonable at face value.

One problem is that you, the player, don't need to purchase the original race, just the iconic race - so that's a disincentive for DDO from an economic standpoint.

Also, it means you get PL's but never actually played that actual race - which seems a bit weak imo.

[systemshaker1941]

Doesn't sound unreasonable at face value.

One problem is that you, the player, don't need to purchase the original race, just the iconic race - so that's a disincentive for DDO from an economic standpoint.

Also, it means you get PL's but never actually played that actual race - which seems a bit weak imo.

That's a valid point from an economic standpoint, though I'd argue that most folks pursuing racial completionist have probably already bought every race or are VIPs. -that would be a valid gate, make it an option only available to VIPs. I'd renew my subscription for that.

From a flavor standpoint; I would argue that the regular vs. Iconics really don't qualify as "separate" races. Is there really that huge a difference between a Warforged and a Bladeforged? And, if there is, why isn't there a separate racial PL for them? (Unless you want to count the iconic PLs, of course).