Let's Talk: Codex Runes

[blerkington]

This thread sure took an unfortunate turn.

Grace and Griglok (Karate) are not casual players. They both run difficult content on a variety of their characters and perform well at it. This difference of opinion about how they prefer their casters to be geared shouldn't be interpreted as an inability to understand or play the game well.

As to the topic, I support the idea that drop rates improve for older content, especially raids. Doing that provides incentive for people to continue running older content and it makes that content more accessible to people who come to it late once the hardcore raiders, who largely drive the scene, have moved on.

It goes some way to solving the twin problems of doing the large amount of work required to get the (usually outdated) gear with the smaller number of people who still want to run it.

Thanks.

[banjo174]

Sorry if you feel/felt belittled. Not the intent. You don't have a 5-piece set, so I don't expect you "get" why people would want it. Could be due to build/playstyle preferences... but it doesn't matter which is why I said "And that's ok."



I don't think they're outdated garbage piles. But we do agree they are overpriced.



Not a complaint thread. No one attacked you, I said you don't see the value in the same way as me... and that appears to be true.

You can't very well say this is a suggestion, as if it were, this would have been posted in the suggestions area. No, this was posted in the general DDO discussion. You are asking for the requirements of Legendary greensteel to be lowered. Any time someone asks for a requirement to be lowered, they are complaining. Especially if they are posting in the wrong area for suggestions.

You don't want to be viewed as a complainer? Why don't you try to understand why SSG has continued to allow the current state of LGS to persist. Why don't you post a suggestion in the correct area, instead of creating a poll in the general area? Suggestions come off as less "Complainy" and more "Constructive".

Although, I did read somewhere that one of your party members screwed an item, only because they were drunk? How is that SSG's fault? Further more, casuals aren't supposed to have full access to raid loot, you only do 2 raids in 2 weeks? Why don't you do them more often? Why reward casual players, when full time players put in all their work to get such beautiful loot? It's kind of like having 2 people paid the same, but 1 person does 80% of the work, and the other person does 20% of the work.

[Grace_ana]

This thread sure took an unfortunate turn.

Grace and Griglok (Karate) are not casual players. They both run difficult content on a variety of their characters and perform well at it. This difference of opinion about how they prefer their casters to be geared shouldn't be interpreted as an inability to understand or play the game well.

As to the topic, I support the idea that drop rates improve for older content, especially raids. Doing that provides incentive for people to continue running older content and it makes that content more accessible to people who come to it late once the hardcore raiders, who largely drive the scene, have moved on.

It goes some way to solving the twin problems of doing the large amount of work required to get the (usually outdated) gear with the smaller number of people who still want to run it.

Thanks.

Thanks, Astrican. I'll be honest - I'm kinda continually at a breaking point right now with this game. The lack of support for alt play throughout the game is killing pretty much all my fun. I hate it. So what that ends up meaning is that, while I am now in a position to spend quite a bit more on the game, I won't. I won't help run special server events anymore. I won't put in money for my kids to spend on the game, and they lose interest proportionally to my loss of interest. I won't even play nearly as much as I used to. I won't recommend the game to others. Because not only does SSG apparently not care, but they refuse to even acknowledge it as an issue people are concerned about.

It's frustrating and angering.

[FlavoredSoul]

I voted for both because it's dumb that such outdated gear is so grindy to obtain.

Who cares, LGS is dead content anyways, and it'll only be deader post-sharn, Literally only the Ender set on a caster is even worth using, and even then RL gear is better.

Even if they quadrupled the drop rates it still wouldn't be worth the grind when RL gear is just as good but 10x easier to get.

[banjo174]

I voted for both because it's dumb that such outdated gear is so grindy to obtain.

Who cares, LGS is dead content anyways, and it'll only be deader post-sharn, Literally only the Ender set on a caster is even worth using, and even then RL gear is better.

Even if they quadrupled the drop rates it still wouldn't be worth the grind when RL gear is just as good but 10x easier to get.

There are items that totally blow Ender outta the water, making it totally obsolete too :P . . . Items that do what ender does, but with only 1 item slot xD

[Renvar]

A five piece set is the pinnacle of the system. It should take time to grind out. That it is still desirable 3 years after release is a testament to the power level of the set.

I say this as someone who does not have a 5 piece set on any character. I have chosen to have smaller sets on multiple characters.

[blerkington]

Thanks, Astrican. I'll be honest - I'm kinda continually at a breaking point right now with this game.

Yep, I'm on break myself at the moment for similar reasons. The state of the game in some areas, particularly the lack of stuff to do at cap, the continuing terrible state of stealth play and awful changes to assassins really got me down.

Compounding those problems, SSG's breathtaking complacency, its inability to deal with criticism and its sheer disregard for its customers have made DDO a really difficult proposition for me recently. Up until I went on break I was hanging around more out of habit and to see people I like in game rather than because I was enjoying participating in the game and community discussions.

I'd like to be playing, but right now I just can't. So yes, I get where you're coming from on this. Hopefully they can turn things around before this 'Thanks for playing' attitude means the ruination of the game, both for us individually and for the game in general.

Take care.

[Shadow_Jumper]

As to the topic, I support the idea that drop rates improve for older content, especially raids. Doing that provides incentive for people to continue running older content and it makes that content more accessible to people who come to it late once the hardcore raiders, who largely drive the scene, have moved on.

Sure, stuff shouldn't be over priced. But simply increasing drop rates isn't going to make raids run more. Making loot GOOD would. If there was no incentive to run a raid then nobody would run it, especially if the droprates were increased to make it pointless to run something more than 3-4 times.

The fact that ended sets work on sub 5k hp mobs and the raid that it’s crafted in the mobs have 50k hp should tell you all you need to know about it.

[blerkington]

Sure, stuff shouldn't be over priced. But simply increasing drop rates isn't going to make raids run more. Making loot GOOD would. If there was no incentive to run a raid then nobody would run it, especially if the droprates were increased to make it pointless to run something more than 3-4 times.

Yes, that comment about making loot better is definitely also true. When LGS came out and for some time after I asked for improvements to be made to the gear because I thought most of it was junk. It really seemed like a missed opportunity to me and it still does. Doesn't have to be BiS but could be a lot more useful; being able to make a variety of useful clickies would be a great way to keep people running the raid.

I don't think it should take that few runs to make a five piece set, but I wouldn't be unhappy if it took less work than it does now. Even though I have no plans to make a five piece set for my caster either. At one point I did have enough runes, but I found a better use for them.

We might just have to disagree on the issue of whether or not making it faster to get items would increase participation and extend the life of content. I suspect there are people who look at the costs of that loot, and who struggle to run raids, and just think it's so expensive it's not even worth trying. But perhaps the number of people like this isn't as large as I believe, I have no way of knowing.

Thanks.

[Talonthedruid]

As a person who has had ender for 2 years, i can say that it has long since become outdated and useless on any build.

[Vish]

You know,
There are a couple of systems in this game I've never chased
One is the shards seals scrolls
And the other is LGS
Yes, Ive run lshrouds plenty times
I just bank the comps
Got prob 5-10k worth of stuff, and enough mats to make anything
But I don't find it worth it really

Now, with the new prr mrr changes,
I guess some LGS items will be in demand again
But I'm not enough power gamer to bother with it
I do just fine off raid gear,
Which I do participate in

I chose lower the cleansing rate,
Since I thought 5k was always too high
I'll never have a 5 pc set
Find crafting to be something I'll never quite figure out
So I just don't do it
Hadsnt impacted my playstyle at all
That way I can't complain about it

[Grace_ana]

As a person who has had ender for 2 years, i can say that it has long since become outdated and useless on any build.

It is good for tanks. It is good for nuker builds. It is good for shiradi. I have a tank and a shiradi caster that each want a set.

The ender set will give me HP, unconsciousness range, a ton of crit multipliers, vulnerability, and the instakill of low hp mobs. Of all that, I care the least about the instakill. The HP and the crit chance, especially on my casters, can't really be duplicated on other gear - except a bit in a stacking way, which doesn't negate the usefulness of it on the ender set. The set allows me to use other things in my hands and other gear slots, which gives me more survivability and spellpower.

Seriously, guys. To claim that something is utterly useless for everyone because you don't find it useful is incredibly self-centered.

[Talonthedruid]

It is good for tanks. It is good for nuker builds. It is good for shiradi. I have a tank and a shiradi caster that each want a set.

The ender set will give me HP, unconsciousness range, a ton of crit multipliers, vulnerability, and the instakill of low hp mobs. Of all that, I care the least about the instakill. The HP and the crit chance, especially on my casters, can't really be duplicated on other gear - except a bit in a stacking way, which doesn't negate the usefulness of it on the ender set. The set allows me to use other things in my hands and other gear slots, which gives me more survivability and spellpower.

Seriously, guys. To claim that something is utterly useless for everyone because you don't find it useful is incredibly self-centered.

Youre right about tanks, i forgot about them lol. As for casters, youre better off running 5 piece slavers and a 4 piece lgs. Shiradis are just bleh atm, but ig if youre gonna gimp yourself by running one ig you can use it, ig. No need to get triggered. (Incoming comeback directed at me, but im done in here)

[Grace_ana]

Youre right about tanks, i forgot about them lol. As for casters, youre better off running 5 piece slavers and a 4 piece lgs. Shiradis are just bleh atm, but ig if youre gonna gimp yourself by running one ig you can use it, ig.

I enjoy my shiradi, so yeah, I will play what I enjoy, tyvm for the permission. DC casters are better off with a slavers set, but a nuker will do better with an ender set for the crit multi.

[Zites]

I enjoy my shiradi, so yeah, I will play what I enjoy, tyvm for the permission. DC casters are better off with a slavers set, but a nuker will do better with an enders set for the crit multi.

Grace the grind is too long and the gear too nich appealing to a small specialized section of the population that's all. I for 1 don't run but 3 raids now and shroud is not included.

[Shadow_Jumper]

It is good for tanks. It is good for nuker builds. It is good for shiradi. I have a tank and a shiradi caster that each want a set.

The ender set will give me HP, unconsciousness range, a ton of crit multipliers, vulnerability, and the instakill of low hp mobs. Of all that, I care the least about the instakill. The HP and the crit chance, especially on my casters, can't really be duplicated on other gear - except a bit in a stacking way, which doesn't negate the usefulness of it on the ender set. The set allows me to use other things in my hands and other gear slots, which gives me more survivability and spellpower.

Seriously, guys. To claim that something is utterly useless for everyone because you don't find it useful is incredibly self-centered.

Tanks are the only build in the game right now that I can/sometimes do see a 5pc set on. But, correct me if I am wrong, since Opposition is exclusive, there's no way to get the HP set bonus with Ender because you need Material correct?

Honestly, there's a lot of things wrong with shiradi spammers. Ender set being expensive is one of them. But I have seen absolutely 0 shiradi spammers in the endgame on Ghallanda. Is Ender set price part of it? Maybe. But there's a lot of other reasons why people don't play them.

[Grace_ana]

Grace the grind is too long and the gear too nich appealing to a small specialized section of the population that's all. I for 1 don't run but 3 raids now and shroud is not included.

That's the point of the entire thread...

Tanks are the only build in the game right now that I can/sometimes do see a 5pc set on. But, correct me if I am wrong, since Opposition is exclusive, there's no way to get the HP set bonus with Ender because you need Material correct?

Honestly, there's a lot of things wrong with shiradi spammers. Ender set being expensive is one of them. But I have seen absolutely 0 shiradi spammers in the endgame on Ghallanda. Is Ender set price part of it? Maybe. But there's a lot of other reasons why people don't play them.

No. Ender is opp/mat. You need both.

I could not possibly care any less what other people play. I enjoy her, and once she's all set, I'll move on to something else as a project.

[askrj1]

Tanks are the only build in the game right now that I can/sometimes do see a 5pc set on. But, correct me if I am wrong, since Opposition is exclusive, there's no way to get the HP set bonus with Ender because you need Material correct?

Honestly, there's a lot of things wrong with shiradi spammers. Ender set being expensive is one of them. But I have seen absolutely 0 shiradi spammers in the endgame on Ghallanda. Is Ender set price part of it? Maybe. But there's a lot of other reasons why people don't play them.

Opposition is exclusive with the Dominion/Escalation/Opposition set. Material needs to contend with Ethereal for bonus to go up, but as long as you don't have any D/E pieces Oppo HP will kick in, so unless you mess up your crafting Ender works with Oppo HP.

I think the biggest disparity here when talking about "casters" is if you're looking at a shiradi/crit spammer or a DC caster. DC casters don't really even need any number of pieces of LGS, but shiradi/nuker builds do get a lot of HP and crit multipliers out of the set.

As far as I know tanks only get Ender if you go extreme with the HP%, but taking up to 5PC for Ender blocks out some other gearing options.

[Zites]

Tanks are the only build in the game right now that I can/sometimes do see a 5pc set on. But, correct me if I am wrong, since Opposition is exclusive, there's no way to get the HP set bonus with Ender because you need Material correct?.

Yes there is 38% hp and energy resist not really worth it Imo

[Zites]

If they want people to run death wyrm and shrod they should upgrade the gear.