Looking for a Vistani Build

[Loromir]

I'm looking for a Vistani Dagger build. I've considered a kensai vistani, swashbuckler vistani, tempest vistani...I've even seens a FVS Swashbucler vistani hybrid build.

What would be the best vistani build in you guys opinion? I like to start Iconic...but that is not a must. I do want to take it all the way to 30 and be strong in Epic/Legendary.

[simo0208]

I'm looking for a Vistani Dagger build. I've considered a kensai vistani, swashbuckler vistani, tempest vistani...I've even seens a FVS Swashbucler vistani hybrid build.

What would be the best vistani build in you guys opinion? I like to start Iconic...but that is not a must. I do want to take it all the way to 30 and be strong in Epic/Legendary.

The best?

Not entirely sure as most of the builds you listed there don’t need it.

My oure fvs vistani build is very good but he’s an uber completionist, so I have no idea if it would be great.

[Thrudh]

Here is my current knife build.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...gh-reaper-PUGs


I HAVE run him using the Vistani capstone, and it's pretty decent. Great single target DPS, but no good AOE option.

Currently I'm running it using the Tempest Tier 5 options... Dance of Death is really good, but I still use daggers and have 13 AP in Vistani

18/2 ranger/barbarian using daggers

No problems running anything at cap.

You can try different enhancement and ED combinations and see what works for you.

[Fedora1]

Are rogues assassins in a bad place right now? I remember thinking there was some real good synergy (I hate that word btw) between assassin and vistani.

Shadar-kai for iconic.

[Memnir]

My favorite VKF build I have going right now is a pure monk that totally ditched the monk trees, and just went Vistani & Falconry. I call it The Way of the Whale.

[simo0208]

My favorite VKF build I have going right now is a pure monk that totally ditched the monk trees, and just went Vistani & Falconry. I call it The Way of the Whale.

But it only levels through otto boxes and improved epic otto boxes...

[Memnir]

But it only levels through otto boxes and improved epic otto boxes...

Incorrect, but you do you.

[Emerge2012]

I'm looking for a Vistani Dagger build. I've considered a kensai vistani, swashbuckler vistani, tempest vistani...I've even seens a FVS Swashbucler vistani hybrid build.

What would be the best vistani build in you guys opinion? I like to start Iconic...but that is not a must. I do want to take it all the way to 30 and be strong in Epic/Legendary.

A lot of things can work but I'd try sticking to builds where Vistani adds to it, like Divine melees/Eldritch Knight/Assassin/Druids, and allows the build to do something that it couldn't already do. Vistani fighters or rangers are actually taking a step in the wrong direction as they're capable of better DPS with better weapons already. A lot people don't want to admit it but daggers aren't very good.

[lillentle]

Well the obvious is a rogue?

Pure rogue, Halfling for extra sneak attack die. I went Shardar Kai because I've been liking epics lately, if you don't have any daggers go get the ones from that house K quest you get from turning in adamantine. Even better get Slice and Dice from Multitude of menace, maybe some drow weapon master daggers.

There isn't much too it, max out dex and you'll be able to assassinate most things as well. Heal scrolls to heal yourself/get a hireling.

Isn't as good solo but still very tough. I've also heard that fighting in vistani style slows down the attack speed(honestly I don't think it would but..) so I didn't take t1 in Vistani knife fighting.

[Thrudh]

A lot people don't want to admit it but daggers aren't very good.

This is fairly accurate, but there are some decent named daggers in the game. And Vistani does give you bonuses with daggers that helps make them better.

Rapid Slash is always on 20% doublestrike that you can get at level 1.
You can get 10% more doublestrike (main and off-hand)
You can get +1(w) which helps make up for some of the lower base damage of daggers
Free Quick Draw feat

Also, one can use a non-dagger weapon off-hand and still get some of the bonuses from Vistani.

Pain and Suffering (raid daggers from Baba and Strahd raids) are not bad.. There are better weapons... But together they are 7(w) weapons, and they become 8(w) weapons with Vistani enhancements.

Again, you're right... There are better weapons and better builds. But daggers in a Vistani's hands can be pretty decent.

[Loromir]

A lot of things can work but I'd try sticking to builds where Vistani adds to it, like Divine melees/Eldritch Knight/Assassin/Druids, and allows the build to do something that it couldn't already do. Vistani fighters or rangers are actually taking a step in the wrong direction as they're capable of better DPS with better weapons already. A lot people don't want to admit it but daggers aren't very good.

Since I have 18 other characters, and my two or three main characters are more mainstream builds...I'm looking more for flavor here. I ended up rolling up a Shadar Kai 18/2 Ranger Rogue Tempest Vistani. I decided to go for the Vistani Capstone over the Tempest Capstone thus the 2 rogue levels. I'm going dex based over str. I'm still debating if I want to go into tier 5 of Tempest for Dance of death or into tier 5 of Vistani. Again, this is more a flavor build, but DPS has been surprisingly good...better than I expected so far.

[Thrudh]

Since I have 18 other characters, and my two or three main characters are more mainstream builds...I'm looking more for flavor here. I ended up rolling up a Shadar Kai 18/2 Ranger Rogue Tempest Vistani. I decided to go for the Vistani Capstone over the Tempest Capstone thus the 2 rogue levels. I'm going dex based over str. I'm still debating if I want to go into tier 5 of Tempest for Dance of death or into tier 5 of Vistani. Again, this is more a flavor build, but DPS has been surprisingly good...better than I expected so far.

The nice thing it's easy to try both ways... Enhancements are easy to change. Vistani is indeed decent DPS. But Dance of Death is hard to give up.

[SpartanKiller13]

I've always considered SWF w/buckler like this one I wrote a year ago (swap StD stance for +6 Con if you're using EDF).

But with the updated negative PRR stuff, I'd probably look for a TWF build just to use Pain, Suffering, and a LGS Dust swap. Mainhand Pain (for Vulnerability), offhand Suffering/LGS - Suffering at least once/12s for the Melted Armor proc, and LGS Dust until stacks are maxed then only when needed to maintain stacks. Full stacks = +74% incoming physical, +32% incoming magical, and -100 HAMP so no incoming heals (does this work on Light Bearer/Hero's Soul champs?). And you can mostly use P&S for like trash; they look like a pretty solid set. Seems incredibly nice to have in any party, especially for raids.

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TWF is not my forte and hopefully someone better at this than me can come up with something better. But here's my build thoughts:

With TWF, obvious choice is Tempest/VKF mix. T5 Tempest seems obvious for trash (Dance of Death) but T5 in VKF would give you amazing defensive options (Mist Stalker V + Elaborate Parry = amazing Dodge etc) and thus might be better for PUG/soloing. Capstone wise, I think Tempest is better? 25% more offhand DS seems like more DPS than +5% AS, even with -10 MP. Requires Ranger 20 though.

Ranger 20
41 Tempest - capstone, T5
31 VKF - C5, T4 Doublestrike, Mist Stalker IV
6 DWS - C2, Stealthy

If you're not going for Tempest Capstone, Ranger past level 11 seems a bit lackluster. Core 4/5 are the only other things to consider, and with VKF on the table Tempest C4 is pretty weak as well. You don't need more crits, so what options are available? Cleric gives Domains (Luck for Displacement? Animal for Fort Bypass and HP?). Otherwise, Rogue for SA? I can't find any other way to do AP than 41/39 w/Tempest T5 lol. I think this version would have less DPS, but quite a bit more survivability.

41 VKF - Capstone
39 Tempest - T5

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If you ditch Tempest T5 and focus on single-target DPS, your options spread out immensely. I mean, you still want useful Stat-to-damage, but you could do Str w/Fighter & tactics (dip FvS 4+ and get 10% DS as well as Divine Will for extra DC's, 16/4 with hilarious DC's), Dex w/Rogue 3+ (lots of SA), Wis w/Falconry (& probably Cleric, like Animal = Feral Charge & Fort bypass, could do Vol w/Warpriest too), Int w/Harper (Deep Gnome for Color Spray?). But that's the land of shenanigans lol.

Probably 41 AP into VKF, but everything else is on the table. Even dipping Ranger 4+ with 23+ AP for Elaborate Parry.

[Kutalp]

Good day.


I had done this humble solo Vistani build which was fun to play and was pretty much a Die hard if played the right way.

Race: Human

Rogue8/Barbarian6/Fighter6

Vistani tree 41 AP including Knife Master Core,T5 Mist stalker,Blessed blades,Vistani knife training 5)

Fighter Stalward defender tree 12 AP (Stalwart defense,Resilient defense,Durable defense.Armor expertise,Shield/Weapon expertise)

Barbarian Occult Slayer 18 AP (Three core up to Elemental defense.Parrying bond,Guarding Bond.Uncanny dodger.Lessons of Travel. Kinetic Bond)

Rogue Mechanic 8 AP (Arbalester,Awarenes1,Mechanics3,Wand and scroll mastery 3)

Frenzied berserker 1 AP (Die hard - Optional)


Overlapping Passive Dodge, Uncanny dodge, Physical and Magical Resistance, Saves, Traps saves. Around base/unbuffed 500 HP without too much effort; without having to grab a shield.

Skills: Max Spot,Search,Disable device,UMD. High enough Jump,Balance,Bluff,Open lock,Move silently,Hide. 1 points to each of Diplomacy,Haggle,Intimidate,Tumble,Listen (Support all skills with items that has the best boost. Swap further while scrolling,wanding or when you re about to use social skills.)

Feats:

Good to have

Improved feint, entire Whirlwind attack line.Two weapon fighting feats. Keep moving when fighting in and out the monsters. These feats boost the performance further.

Nice to have Point blank shot and Rapid shot. Vistani allready has Quickdraw. Improved critical Piercing. Two Weapon fighting Line.


Starts with almost equal Strength,Dexterity,Constitution,Intelligence. All of these stats support survival. (Seek ability boosting items that also have insight bonus to same or other ability points)

Enough Dexterity for TWF line is fair enough. 15 starting Dexterity is fair enough 14 starting strength, constitution, and intelligence is fair enough. 16 intelligence is not a must. However it is pretty staisfying for a skiller/quester/survivor build. If you buy Tomes through plat, buy Intelligence first, Dexterity later. 16 Base strength and ability boosting items help alot against weakening,enfeebling etc spells. 8-12 strength isnt enough.

Boosting a single stat for fighting has minor effects compared to what feats,enhancements,items and active clickies allready give. Additionally it costs more than it helps when it comes to survival under the effects of spells, monster special attacks. (My humble opinon) +3/+4 to hit and damage or combat tactics can easily be covered through many ways. Combat tactics isnt even a must have with a rogue splash build that has many other tricks under the belt- Improved feint,whirlwind attack but also less favorite feats such as Sap is powerfull to change the direction of a fight when combined with raw physical fighting style. Add special attacks and effects from enhancement trees and weapons,armors etc. over that.


Random loot items:

Focus at Physical and Magical Resistance, Constitution/Hardy/Health, Deflection and Defense, Natural armor bonus items. Preferably Deadly/Search combo googles. Extra spot with extra fortification or saves helmets/can carry more than one for gloves,helmets,goggles etc to swap at will.

Striding/Featherfall boots. Deathblock/Insert Bracers. Hasty/Tendon slice gloves. Dexterity ring, Deflection/Defense ring, Charisma ring. Astute/Natural armor bonus cloak. Underwater action item.

For Trinket I use Voice of the Master from Delera's.

2x Vorpal/Deception/Critical Piercing Daggers (If available with adamantine etc) - Overall best performance vs anything.

1x Curspewing dagger. Optional Elemental daggers. Optional with allready existing clicky at Vistani tree but still nice to carry Ghostbane,Silver, Holy.

Glass, stone , wood item for Oooze, Rust monster.

Daily Heal clicky items x 4-6. Types of Healing wands. Combo with various Cure pots.

Roderic's Wand (Endless summoning to create tactical chaos during your skirmishes comboed with Social skills) from Phiarlan carnival rewards. Can be comboed with Summoning scrolls. Wand of remove Curse/Disease. Wand of Resist energy, Stoneskin. Wand of Shield (Protection from magic missiles), Wand of remove blindness. Blur...

Scrolls of Restoration, Heal, Raise dead, Teleport.


The build works descent at Epics solo/raids and even at lower Reaper (have not tried higher ones since its a fresh build)



I hope you enjoy.

[SpartanKiller13]

I had done this humble solo Vistani build which was fun to play and was pretty much a Die hard if played the right way.
Around base/unbuffed 500 HP without too much effort; without having to grab a shield.
The build works descent at Epics solo/raids and even at lower Reaper (have not tried higher ones since its a fresh build)

You have a 500 HP melee that can solo low Legendary Reaper and do raids, while being a "Die Hard" toon? Mark me impressed, I had 800 (900 in Reaper) at level 15 on my last melee life and I ate heals like nobody's business. Sure, less resistances etc but like what do you do when you get hit with Horrid Wilting?

Rogue8/Barbarian6/Fighter6

• VKF 41 AP - Capstone, T5
• StD 12 AP - Stalwart defense,Resilient defense,Durable defense.Armor expertise,Shield/Weapon expertise
• OS 18 AP - C3, Parrying bond,Guarding Bond.Uncanny dodger.Lessons of Travel. Kinetic Bond
• Mechanic 8 AP - Mechanics, Wand and scroll mastery
• FB - 1 AP Optional

Edited for formatting.

So VKF gives damage etc, and you're using StD & OS for defensive benefits? Why do you have Armor & Shield Expertise, just for +6 AC? Is Mechanic entirely for +3 skills plus Wand & Scroll Mastery?

Why Rogue 8? Rogue 2 would give you the same and allow you to get more levels anywhere else. Or Fighter 4 would get you Rogue 10 which has nice options. And why Barbarian 6? For the OS tree? Why not Warlock, ES gives plenty of PRR/MRR and Brilliance is great. Or Cleric, for Animal Domain's HP bonus (if you have 500, +160 at cap would be pretty great); or Luck Domain for Displacement; also you can use Vol for a little extra, and Warpriest has Doublestrike? Or since it's a TWF build, why not Ranger w/Tempest; especially since you seem to be after a melee build w/ranged options.

Feats:

• Improved feint
• Whirlwind attack line
• Two weapon fighting line
• Point blank shot
• Rapid shot
• Improved critical Piercing

If you're not using Precision, why not Power Attack > Cleave > GCleave instead of WWA with its buggy animation? Do you consider Improved Feint to be that high priority, and IC:Piercing that low?

Boosting a single stat for fighting has minor effects compared to what feats,enhancements,items and active clickies allready give. Additionally it costs more than it helps when it comes to survival under the effects of spells, monster special attacks. (My humble opinon) +3/+4 to hit and damage or combat tactics can easily be covered through many ways. Combat tactics isnt even a must have with a rogue splash build that has many other tricks under the belt- Improved feint,whirlwind attack but also less favorite feats such as Sap is powerfull to change the direction of a fight when combined with raw physical fighting style. Add special attacks and effects from enhancement trees and weapons,armors etc. over that.

Reasonable stat at cap: 70, or +30. With a 16-20/x3 crit profile (+2 on 19-20) = 1.65 and 200 MP, that's a mediocre 150 damage per attack. Which feat gives that much? For that matter, even 50 Con would give your toon +600 HP (750 in EDF) which is more than you have in total (500 per earlier). And with Ravenloft it's pretty easy to get +30 to like any stat (19 enhancement, 9 insight, 2 profane WR) so that's not exactly a high goal.

Focus at Physical and Magical Resistance, Constitution/Hardy/Health, Deflection and Defense, Natural armor bonus items. Preferably Deadly/Search combo googles. Extra spot with extra fortification or saves helmets/can carry more than one for gloves,helmets,goggles etc to swap at will.

Does your character actually have viable AC past level 15 or so? Also I'd recommend Deadly/Seeker goggles and swapping trapping items.

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I'm sure I'm missing a lot of the synergy, but it feels like you'd be better off with a different level/enhancement split? Ranger 6 would allow you to use Dex as a one-stat wonder, as well as free feats and Elaborate Parry for a defensive clicky.

[Thrudh]

Here's what I use:

I've run this using Vistani Tier 5, and the single target DPS is very good, but your AOE is lacking.

I prefer Tempest Tier 5 with Dance of Death.

The two barbarian levels are for run speed and blood tribute (150 temp hp in heroics, 400 temp hp at cap)

18/2 Ranger/Barbarian

This is a Dex-based dagger build (note you can use a dagger in your main hand, and a rapier or shortsword in your off-hand).

I was playing around with Vistani when it first came out with morninglord daggers, and like it a lot, and I was lucky enough to get Pain and Suffering raid daggers, so I'm still currently a dagger build. I don't have Flow yet from the Strahd raid. When I get that, I may stop using daggers (which would free up Vistani AP). Or maybe I'll keep using Pain, and put Flow in my off-hand.

This build could definitely be used with rapiers or other light weapons. It would give you 13 extra AP that you wouldn't have to use in Vistani.


Free feats from Ranger:

• Bow Strength
• Rapid Shot
• Die Hard
• TWF, ITWF, GTWF
• Precise Shot
• Improved Precise Shot
• Manyshot
• Evasion

Free feats from Vistani

• Quick Draw

Heroic Leveling:

• 1. Ranger - Weapon Finesse
• 2. Barbarian
• 3. Barbarian - Precision
• 4. Ranger
• 5. Ranger
• 6. Ranger - Maximize
• 7. Ranger
• 8. Ranger
• 9. Ranger - IC: Piercing
• 10. Ranger
• 11. Ranger
• 12. Ranger - Empower Healing
• 13. Ranger
• 14. Ranger
• 15. Ranger - Quicken
• 16. Ranger
• 17. Ranger
• 18. Ranger - IC: Ranged
• 19. Ranger
• 20. Ranger

Epic Leveling:

• 21 - Overwhelming Critical
• 24 - Rogue Past Life - +30 to hide 3 times/1 minute
• 26 - Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
• 27 - Epic Reflexes
• 28 - Doubleshot 10% or Tactician
• 29 - Dire Charge
• 30 - Blinding Speed and Scion of Ethereal Plane (Perm Blur, +4 to all skills, +1 sneak attack damage for every 3 points of hide)

All stat level ups into Dexterity.

Hide skill is around 160 at cap with Camouflage spell, high dex, Hide cloak from Silent Avenger set, maxed hide ranks, Shadow Form from Shadowdancer, etc. It's 190 when you activate the Rogue past-life. That's a TON of extra sneak attack damage. Exposing Strike (enhancement from Deepwood Sniper) lets you bluff a single target for 4 seconds every 6 seconds. This works on orange-names and bosses, so this is a lot of extra DPS. And a helpless mob (from Dire Charge or Balanced Attacks) also takes sneak attack damage.

Enhancements

Enhancements

• 2 points into Falconry to get Favored Enemy: Animal
• 36 points into Tempest (Dance of Death)
• 21 points into Deepwood Sniper (for Improved Weapon Finesse and Exposing Strike, and +1 crit range)
• 8 points into Frenzied Berzerker (for Blood Tribute and Cracking Attack - 20% reduction on fort for 20 seconds)
• 13 points into Vistani (for free Quick Draw, 20% doublestrike from Rapid Slash, 5% doublestrike (main and off-hand) and +1(w) with daggers)

Shadow Dancer Epic Destiny.

Twists

• Sense Weakness (Tier 4)
• Balanced Attacks (Tier 3)
• Cocoon (Tier 1)
• Extra Action Boost (Tier 1)
• Legendary Tactics (Tier 1)

Doublestrike calculations:

• 9% 3 martial sphere Epic Past Lives
• 17% Cannith-crafted gloves
• 10% Lore-fueled Packbannner (Insight bonus)
• 5% Knife Specialist (Vistani enhancement)
• 5% Whirlwind (Tempest 18th level core enhancement)
• 5% Perfect Two-weapon fighting (Epic Destiny Feat)
• 15% Silent Avenger Set

=66% passive (but my character sheet says 69.87% - not sure where I'm getting the extra 3.87%)

20% Rapid Slash (Vistani enhancement, active attack, 10 sec duration, 10 sec cooldown)

=86% (89.67%?) sustained Doublestrike (since duration matches cooldown, better than Killer from DWS)


End-game Gear


Silent Avenger Set:
Armor: Legendary Mist-Fallen Vestaments: 202 Fortification - 9 Parrying - PRR 50 - Profane +2 - Green slot (+2 Max Dex from Armor)
Belt: Legendary Braided Cutcord: DEX +19 - Qual DEX +4 - Qual Dodge 4 - Blurry Green slot(+2 Luck)
Cloak: Legendary Shadowhail Cloak: Hide +22, Move Silently +22, Deception +16, Ghostly - Green slot (Globe +1 EXC to all stats)

Goggles: Epic Precision Lenses:Manslayer - Insightful STR +9 - Melee Alacrity 15% - 3 extra Action Boosts - Blue slot
Wrist: Legendary Lore-Fueled Packbanner: Ins CON +9 - PRR 50 - Insightful Doublestrike +10 - Green slot (+8 STR)
Ring: Legendary Ring of Prowess: +8 Melee and Ranged Power - +14 Deadly - +28 Accuracy - Green slot (250 SP)
Ring: Slaver crafted: CON +17 - 185 Devotion - Stunning +20 - Quality CON +4
Gloves: Cannith crafted: Doublestrike +17 - Healing Amp 61 - Insightful Dex +7 - Green slot (+40 hps false life)
Necklace: Legendary Ward-Inscribed Pendant: Deadly +16 - CON +19, Natural Armor +19 Yellow slot (Deathblock)
Trinket: Cannith crafted: 9% Doubleshot - +12 Resistance - Insightful Stunning +8
Boots: Cannith crafted: Dodge 15 - Sheltering +38 (for the MRR) - Ins Dodge +7 Green slot(+8 CHA)
Head:Legendary Executioner's Helm: +17 Seeker - Relentless Fury (5% more DPS) - +4 Quality Combat Mastery - Insightful Deception (more sneak attack damage) - Green slot (+8 WIS)

Most of this gear is fairly easy to get (if you have enough crafting xp to craft all high-end Cannith stuff). Goggle slot somewhat open. I really just use it for the 3 extra Action Boosts, once those are gone, one can switch. If you don't go Vistani and daggers, you'd probably want to spend some AP in Harper, and get an INT goggle item.

Dire Charge, even without Harper Know the Angles, is still fairly solid (in the 110 range with an 84 Dex), but Know the Angles would help DPS and increase your stun DC even further with a good INT goggles item.

Ability Stats:

Dex - 83

• 20 starting Dex
• 7 level ups
• 8 tome
• 19 item
• 7 Insight item
• 4 Quality item
• 1 exceptional
• 1 racial enhancement
• 3 ranger enhancements
• 2 Shadowdancer ED
• 1 reaper core
• 4 Filigree (requires 7 slots and 250 threads of fate so you can get prowess set, two +1 Dex Filigree, and a +2 Dex Filigree)
• 2 Guild ship
• 2 racial past-lives
• 2 profane from armor

In reaper, add 3 more.

So 86 Dex in reaper. Subtract 3 if a non Dex-based race (lose 2 starting points and 1 racial enhancement)

Can use Yugo pots and ability potions for 4 more. So 90 sustainable.


CON - 61

• 15 starting CON
• 8 tome
• 19 item
• 9 Insight item
• 4 Quality item
• 1 exceptional
• 1 reaper core
• 2 Guild ship
• 2 Profane from armor

In reaper, add 3 more.


Other Stats:

• Dire Charge Stun DC - 110 or so, depending on Dex
• PRR - 133 (slightly higher in reaper)
• MRR - 68 (slightly higher in reaper)
• Doublestrike - standing 90% (using daggers with Rapid Slash - 70% without Rapid Slash, but then Killer from DWS is an option, plus 30% Reaper DS boost)
• Melee Power - 111
• Reflex - 92 (over 100 in reaper)
• AC - 127
• Dodge - 27%
• Incorporeal - 30%
• Heal Amp - 101%
• Positive Spell Power - 395/474 (if I swap trinket to a Insighful Devotion one - but then I lose 8 off Dire Charge)
• Hit points - 1962
• Hide around 160/190 boosted (depending on Dex)

[Thrudh]

But with the updated negative PRR stuff, I'd probably look for a TWF build just to use Pain, Suffering, and a LGS Dust swap. Mainhand Pain (for Vulnerability), offhand Suffering/LGS - Suffering at least once/12s for the Melted Armor proc, and LGS Dust until stacks are maxed then only when needed to maintain stacks. Full stacks = +74% incoming physical, +32% incoming magical, and -100 HAMP so no incoming heals (does this work on Light Bearer/Hero's Soul champs?). And you can mostly use P&S for like trash; they look like a pretty solid set. Seems incredibly nice to have in any party, especially for raids.

I agree with this. Working on getting Dust now (Just need one more large stone)

If you ditch Tempest T5 and focus on single-target DPS, your options spread out immensely. I mean, you still want useful Stat-to-damage, but you could do Str w/Fighter & tactics (dip FvS 4+ and get 10% DS as well as Divine Will for extra DC's, 16/4 with hilarious DC's), Dex w/Rogue 3+ (lots of SA), Wis w/Falconry (& probably Cleric, like Animal = Feral Charge & Fort bypass, could do Vol w/Warpriest too), Int w/Harper (Deep Gnome for Color Spray?). But that's the land of shenanigans lol.

Probably 41 AP into VKF, but everything else is on the table. Even dipping Ranger 4+ with 23+ AP for Elaborate Parry.

This is also correct. All kinds of options if you go with Vistani capstone. Then you can play around with types of different class splits. Again, single-target/boss DPS is very good with Vistani capstone. But AOE is weak... And that makes it harder to solo.

[Kutalp]

Dear SpartanKiller13.



The overlapping specialities of Vistani Tree,Rogue,Barbarian and Stalward defender tree is the simple answer.


Occult slayer also adds Force damage over Vistani enhancements and Fighter feats. Anyone can add ,no save, Sap and Knockout aswell if they wish.


Someone can swap any feats there Two weapon fighting,Improved critical,Improved feint,Whirlwind line (I dont enjoy Power attack and Cleave line),Point blank shot and Rapid shot for me. Add weapon and item bonuses over that. Anyone else can choose other feats and enjoy.


Mechanic tree adds wand and scroll mastery to support UMD cures and heals,shield spell,blur and more.(+%75 boost) More saves vs traps from the enhancement over Barbarian and Rogue base saves comes free.


About abilites ; I dont enjoy Single stat build for minor boosts.



Other questions you asked were allready answered at the above post.Such as Deadly items and more, allready exist at my first post.


The build has raw 500 hp as first lifer;without items or anyother boost or Destinies. The build certainly does not have 6 AC nor 10 AC. It is over 70 with simple random loot. Additionally AC is only one of those layers of defense.(Prr/Mrr,Dodge,Evasion,Saves,Scroll and Wand effects) AC is not the main focus. It is not an AC tank. Nor a pure tank.


It is not a Dps Kensei nor a Dps Ravager. It is not Purple Dragon Knight nor and Aasimar. No one says Vistani can not be paired with any of those either.


Anyone can add Epic destinies and Reaper enhancements.TR over and over again and use 36pt builds to empower the build. Add +8 tomes top of that. What I posted is just the core; overlapping specialites from those classes and trees.



Anyhow I summarised everything shortly since my first post may be confusing.



The build is a humble one that I enjoy at solo Epics and Lower Reaper. (Count in the solo survival and lag spikes)

[Ausdoerrt]

I asked something similar a year ago, and ended up settling on a pure FvS Blood of Vol Vistani, WIS-based. Haven't rolled one up yet, but will as soon as I'm done favor-farming for 5k.

The beautiful thing is that Lammania with its dojo is available now when they have Sharn previews, so you can take the chance to test some builds.

For example, I've mused about a bard splashed FvS Vistani, but after testing, I liked the pure better. Keep in mind that Vistani tree has lots of cool things in it that also don't stack with other trees. For example, One with Blades doesn't stack with Swashbuckling, as both are competence bonuses.

So, if you want to focus (40+ AP) on Vistani, it makes more sense to look for options that complement the tree rather than offer more of the same. Tempest Ranger, Ninja Spy, Warpriest / Soul look like they'd synergize well. Perhaps you could squeeze a thrower build out of it as well.

But the above is mostly theorycrafting, I've little experience playing a Vistani build, myself.

[Kutalp]

I asked something similar a year ago, and ended up settling on a pure FvS Blood of Vol Vistani, WIS-based. Haven't rolled one up yet, but will as soon as I'm done favor-farming for 5k.

The beautiful thing is that Lammania with its dojo is available now when they have Sharn previews, so you can take the chance to test some builds.

For example, I've mused about a bard splashed FvS Vistani, but after testing, I liked the pure better. Keep in mind that Vistani tree has lots of cool things in it that also don't stack with other trees. For example, One with Blades doesn't stack with Swashbuckling, as both are competence bonuses.

So, if you want to focus (40+ AP) on Vistani, it makes more sense to look for options that complement the tree rather than offer more of the same. Tempest Ranger, Ninja Spy, Warpriest / Soul look like they'd synergize well. Perhaps you could squeeze a thrower build out of it as well.

But the above is mostly theorycrafting, I've little experience playing a Vistani build, myself.

I would not agree more than that about Vistani tree.

Its one the most balanced and survivable trees I have ever tried. Tempest,Favored soul,monk, they would all do good as long as the Vistani dominates the build.

Anyhow any class or tree with inbuilt dodge,prr/mrr and overlapping specialities with the Vistani tree T5 Active clicky is all natural