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[blerkington]

There are some good changes in this patch. But I really think you need to do the extra work so that characters who have already taken favour rewards can get the updated ones without reincarnating.

The way you've done this is very unfriendly to people who do not like reincarnating and/or run a number of alts. It's particularly on the nose in an environment where there may still be serious bugs with the reincarnation process and your customer service helping people with that problem is, not to put too fine a point on it, beyond terrible.

The other problem is some of the comments in this thread seem to indicate certain of the new rewards aren't being granted properly. Which begs the question, what happens to those people who reincarnated and didn't get the new rewards properly post patch? Will these people need to reincarnate twice to get these new rewards, assuming those problems are fixed in a later patch?

Just for once, try taking a customer-first approach with these changes rather than doing what is easiest and most profitable for yourselves. The way you have done this puts a cost onto your customers which we shouldn't have to bear.

You already saw the community wasn't happy with changes like this from the feedback during the implementation of cleric domains, so doing the same thing all over again with favour shows a real inability to digest feedback and lack of concern for your players.

Thanks.

[Memnir]

There are some good changes in this patch. But I really think you need to do the extra work so that characters who have already taken favour rewards can get the updated ones without reincarnating.

The way you've done this is very unfriendly to people who do not like reincarnating and/or run a number of alts. It's particularly on the nose in an environment where there may still be serious bugs with the reincarnation process and your customer service helping people with that problem is, not to put too fine a point on it, beyond terrible.

The other problem is some of the comments in this thread seem to indicate certain of the new rewards aren't being granted properly. Which begs the question, what happens to those people who reincarnated and didn't get the new rewards properly post patch? Will these people need to reincarnate twice to get these new rewards, assuming those problems are fixed in a later patch?

Just for once, try taking a customer-first approach with these changes rather than doing what is easiest and most profitable for yourselves. The way you have done this puts a cost onto your customers which we shouldn't have to bear.

You already saw the community wasn't happy with changes like this from the feedback during the implementation of cleric domains, so doing the same thing all over again with favour shows a real inability to digest feedback and lack of concern for your players.

Thanks.

While it could be naive, I prefer to think the inability to have existing favor rewards be upgraded to the new & improved versions wasn't a choice - but a code limitation they couldn't work around. I'd hope that they would not intentionally shaft anyone unless it was unavoidable in pursuit of improving things.

I'm one of those nerds who hates the Reincarnation gerbil wheel, so many of my characters will miss out on the new hotness. But, I don't think the Devs would have excluded those characters unless there was no other way.

[blerkington]

While it could be naive, I prefer to think the inability to have existing favor rewards be upgraded to the new & improved versions wasn't a choice - but a code limitation they couldn't work around. I'd hope that they would not intentionally shaft anyone unless it was unavoidable in pursuit of improving things.

I'm one of those nerds who hates the Reincarnation gerbil wheel, so many of my characters will miss out on the new hotness. But, I don't think the Devs would have excluded those characters unless there was no other way.

They could have added a new NPC that checks how much favour a character has already and which rewards they have taken, then adds in the missing feats. Or made some changes to how the existing patrons work to produce the same effect.

I'm not clear at all how you could come to the conclusion that this is somehow impossible. All the data needed to do this exists in the game and a comparison of rewards a character has with what they qualify for now should be a fairly trivial check.

What it's all about is how much work they were prepared to do, and as usual, how much inconvenience they think we are prepared to put up with as customers.

So rather than going the extra distance for us, they chose instead to transmit the problem to their customers instead. Even after being told during the cleric pass that being required to reincarnate to get these improvements wasn't a popular solution.

Thanks.

[Scrapco]

This is the kind of edge case that drives programmers nuts.

No it isn't.

[C-Dog]

No it isn't.

Yes it is.
No it isn't.
Yes it is.
No it isn't.

Oh, well, when you put it that way, now I totally see it your way.

[Scrapco]

Oh, well, when you put it that way, now I totally see it your way.

If you can code, feel free to comment on code.

Better?

*plonk*

[kelavas]

Anyone looking for information on Cisren that was labeled in the 41.3 patch notes. Cisren was a map architect for Delera's Graveyard who recently passed away.

[psykopeta]

Why in the world would you have 10 different characters all flagged for reincarnation at the same time?

So you turn in the tokens, flag yourself for reincarnation, and just keep playing for a few months more? On multiple alts?

This is the kind of edge case that drives programmers nuts.

Cause i flag that toon and then play another, be it to have different builds available at different levels, because i decided i want to pkay another type of toon which pl gives me nothing to current toon (being completionist an example, i ran 3 each classes in a row so i got completionist in my... 37th life maybe?)

Another answer would be... Because there's more than 1way to play ddo

Or having several toons flagged for LR since the enhancement pass of certain class

[clagor]

Nice to see that the favor rewards get a revamp, but please find a way to apply them retrospectively (some thoughts)...

Dialog & check redesign:
Each Favor Patron should have a new dialog box with a separate dialog entry per rank.
When clicked on one a check against collected favor is made.
For handout items there is a internal flag tracking if was already hand out.
For Favor Feats it is checked if already exists on character.

Simpel approach with a quick patch:
Just reset for all characters the Favor Patron dialog, so that all ranks can be reacquired again.
I dont see a problem if someone has another item of something which is not super powerful.
Only exception should be Coin Lords (character inventory tab) & House Kundarak (bank inventory tab)

Please consider these approaches instead of forcing me to play again all quests to collect all favor again!

In addition there is still a problem to acquire Purple Dragon Knights favor "This feat grants you +2 saves versus Evil Creatures.".
I have spoken with the Favor Patron and got the dialog that i have this now, but it is not showing up under my Favor Feats.
All in all my only new Favor Feat I (level 30) was able to acquire was the Gatekeepers Hit-Points.

That is frustrating, so much new stuff and i am forbidden to get them...

[Brutuscass]

In addition there is still a problem to acquire Purple Dragon Knights favor "This feat grants you +2 saves versus Evil Creatures.".
I have spoken with the Favor Patron and got the dialog that i have this now, but it is not showing up under my Favor Feats.
All in all my only new Favor Feat I (level 30) was able to acquire was the Gatekeepers Hit-Points.

That is frustrating, so much new stuff and i am forbidden to get them...

I agree with all that you have said in your post clagor, though sadly it might be asking for a little more than they can handle with current work loads, that said the PDK favour reward is clearly and error on their part and they need to own up to it and provide a fix. The release notes state that it is a Rank 4 reward and the logic for the new favour rewards fits with that as the Rank 3 is a reward which needs to be earnt every life and therefore not a one off, the Rank 4 being empty needs the reward, yet the +2 saves versus Evil Creatures. is rewarded with Rank 3 and now many if not most player who had not turned in Rank 4 before now, saving it for when a reward came out have probably lost the reward until their next TR due to poor testing before release, on this one a retro should be considered, and if it is possible to do so, maybe at the same time others could be looked into.

[Grandern_Marn]

"- The color of several red dragons has been fixed."

This one was my favourite.
What color were the red dragons before they got fixed?!?!?
I thought they were all red....

"- Entering into the main entrance to the prison in should no longer result in an instant unavoidable ambush while you are still in a loading screen."

This was a close second. It makes it sound like loading screens are an AoE spell of entrapment or something - poor souls stuck in the loading screen.

Instant unavoidable ambush while in a loading screen haha!

[Lynnabel]

"- The color of several red dragons has been fixed."

This one was my favourite.
What color were the red dragons before they got fixed?!?!?

They were displaying as White Dragons, actually

[Grandern_Marn]

They were displaying as White Dragons, actually

Oh wow, I don't remember any white colored red dragons. Now I am going through all the dragons I have met in my life and wether any of those were actually white...what has the world come to?

On second thought, 'displaying as White Dragons' must mean the identification box, that would be understandable. Please don't say a few of the Red Dragons that I have met were actually colored White...

[Tricosene]

On second thought, 'displaying as White Dragons' must mean the identification box, that would be understandable. Please don't say a few of the Red Dragons that I have met were actually colored White...

The one in the underdark was white. I'm pretty sure there was a thread recently where another red dragon was reported to be white, as well.

What I don't know is if their appearances were different beyond that, as at least in my old Monster Manual, the different colored dragons have different features on their heads.

[Hipparan]

The one in the underdark was white. I'm pretty sure there was a thread recently where another red dragon was reported to be white, as well.

What I don't know is if their appearances were different beyond that, as at least in my old Monster Manual, the different colored dragons have different features on their heads.

Yup the Underdark dragon Micahrastir was a white dragon breathing fire. Aptoryx from the Ring of Fire Eveningstar Challenge was also a white dragon.

It was very interesting using ice spells to get purple damage out of a white dragon.

[Vish]

Ok so over last two days I've been trying to patch
I tried on Tuesday, during the day, but it kept dropping me during a command prompt reboot
It wouldn't get the awesomeium processes download clean
So then I did a restart on my computer,
And it took, got the awesomeium download
Then it goes to iterations, like 1000 of them
And I tried but it kept crashing
Was crashing the Updater
So I waited a day, and tried again
It would do a few, like under 100 then try a command prompt reboot
Then kept crashing
Normally I wait 5 min then start the Updater again
Normally after I get the awesomeium, the iterations go well
But this time it kept crashing the Updater
Would do a few 20 or so, or maybe 100, then crash
So I finally got it to do the iterations,
Then it downloads the files
And I kept having the Updater crash on me
I'd run the Updater about 5 times before I gave up
I normally try this during quiet hours, early in the morning, or later at night
But it kept doing just smaller chucks of iterations, and then downloading some files
So finally this morning I got thru about 500 of them at once,
Thought I would finish it, but no
It kept crashing
I don't try to download during the day, learned that lesson long ago
So finally I had about 100 iterations left to download
And I tried tonite at 7pm
And it took me to the end in a couple attempts
Thank god
This was another patch from hell
I had had good luck on the last patch, I got it downloaded same day
But this one took me til tonite
And I had to goose it at every step
Even looked up how to flush the dns, thinking maybe that could be the problem

But no, she is just a fickle ***** to me
And the only best thing I can do is wait 2 or 3 days,
Until the update server isn't so busy
I have been having these problems for months
Like maybe a year now
I've gotten used to it,
Yes I could use a new computer
Yes, I looked up external ssd drives
Will have to budget for one
But thank god the Updater at least works
And I got in and played a bit tonite

So if an engineer reads this,
What I want to know is what is the 3038 error?
Like a server busy message, and it drops you?
I don't know, I'm dreading Sharn
Will prob have to wait a week to download that monster
I don't know what else I can do
It does work, just frustrating as hell

Oh well, I'm in, and good until the next patch
Give me a month, ok?

[Urklore]

Is there a server reset today?