Caster update to get rid of insta kills

[redoubt]

It all depends on whether the changes that they are planning are evocation specific or whether they are planning general changes (after all, not all spells that cause damage are evocations, so evo specific changes may not solve all the issues). If there are ever plans for new spells to be added (it might happen), making evo specific changes to solve DPS issues now would lead to Transmutation, Necromancy, Abjuration and Conjuration damage spells needing to be adjusted in advance to avoid being under-powered, but doing so could make them too powerful even with no investment.

Read the rest of it.

Upping the evocation saves was only one part of the suggestion. Most was increasing CL & MCL in the Savant and Draconic trees, thus boosting DPS casting while mostly leaving DC casting untouched.

[mr420247]

If they were adding spells they could add illusionary copies of most of the dps spells

for gnome illusionists so they have more then just pk

and maybe Mass weird stuff like that

[Burakii]

Multiple sources with direct knowledge confirmed that it will soon become official, but not as a total elimination of DC Casting, rather a reduction in it's effectiveness in a continued effort to balance it against up and coming DPS casting improvements.

[Dark_Helmet]

The fun part about speculation like this is that everyone can believe whatever they want and we can't actually dissuade them :P

Past performance begets this opinion.

Like it or not, I keep trying to play chess (each piece has its own advantage, one is the most powerful, and one is completely weak) and you all keep trying to make it checkers (each piece is equal).

[Tuxedoman96]

A better approach to communication on SSG's part would do a lot to improve this state of affairs. And by a lot, I mean A LOT.

I would very much like to trust and respect the development team, and believe what they tell us. Unfortunately there is a long track record of sudden changes of direction, inexplicably odd decisions, mistakes when posting about game mechanics, problems with change proposals that were called in advance but never acknowledged or fixed after implementation, attempts to fob us off when we try to engage with you, obfuscation, ignoring beneficial feedback, refusal to discuss topics, and at times what even appears to be outright dishonesty.

So maybe instead of poking at the community with comments like this, you could be part of the solution instead? You might be very surprised at how much more positive these conversations would get if the company made a better effort to engage with us rather than approaching these interactions as an exercise in wrangling a population of criminals.

Thanks.

+1

[Niminae]

So a little birdy told me that the devs will get rid of insta kills in reaper after the caster update this winter

That makes perfect sense. After all, Sev just posted that they are going to do a caster pass at some point.

You guys really need a better quality bird :P

Only because it only passed on a part of the story.

DC casting will be neutered. Then the caster pass will include things to un-neuter it, all for the low low price of whatever new caster tree is developed and called a caster pass.

The fun part about speculation like this is that everyone can believe whatever they want and we can't actually dissuade them :P

Indeed.

Remember when the game wasn't going to be designed around reaper?

Remember when Epic Defensive Fighting was supposed to be a melee survivability buff, and not a "melee except for Fighters and Paladins" survivability buff?

Remember when there was a Warpriest enhancement pass, and it didn't do anything for Warpriests, but then there was a paid universal tree with everything that a melee cleric or FvS might have hoped for in their class tree pass?

Remember when heroic monks, ah, never mind.

[janave]

+1

I think the altitude of expectations from devs may need to lowered, we are enthusiast players on a game forum, but not total dummies in a kindergarten.

What you give is what you get generally, so if the approach improves, the feedback improves too, well never 100% but some will.

I honestly felt a lot better about the game before i started responding to "feedback threads", or whatever they supposed to be. I will probably again stop giving feedback and bug reports, i sure know they will love getting rid of my suggestions .

[glmfw1]

Past performance begets this opinion.

Like it or not, I keep trying to play chess (each piece has its own advantage, one is the most powerful, and one is completely weak) and you all keep trying to make it checkers (each piece is equal).

I like this analogy.
Knights, Pawns, Rooks, Bishops, Kings, Queens behave very differently, but there are times when a powerful piece is useless and a less powerful, more specialised piece, if used well, does what is needed far better.

[CaptainSpacePony]

The fun part about speculation like this is that everyone can believe whatever they want and we can't actually dissuade them :P

Clearly you work in politics.

[Hipparan]

Multiple sources with direct knowledge confirmed that it will soon become official, but not as a total elimination of DC Casting, rather a reduction in it's effectiveness in a continued effort to balance it against up and coming DPS casting improvements.

It's in an official-looking font so it must be true!

Even if it was though, this statement says nothing about how much of a reduction it is, and it says nothing about what those improvements to DPS casting will be. Also, there's a number of steps something like this will have to take before it gets into the game including the Player's Council, Lamannia, etc.

[cru121]

Also, there's a number of steps something like this will have to take before it gets into the game including the Player's Council, Lamannia, etc.

Or it's already live and just requires that someone flips a switch.

Anyway, I think some tweaks that would make instakills less potent and DPS casting more potent could be nice. Particularly for casters without instakills.

[karatemack]

So a little birdy told me that the devs will get rid of insta kills in reaper after the caster update this winter

If they do this... they will effectively kill off an entire playstyle. I doubt this is true... well, I hope it isn't true anyways.

Bosses cannot be instakilled still, right?

[Lynnabel]

I doubt this is true...

It isn't, official font nonwithstanding :P We have put more serious discussion into the tech required to introduce kazoos as a bardic instrument than we have to anything related to this proposal. Part of me kind of wishes that the real stuff we were working on would get leaked, as I'm beyond excited for some of the stuff in u41 and would do almost anything to break some news about what's happening soon I guess we'll all have to wait!

[MistaMagic]

It isn't, official font nonwithstanding :P We have put more serious discussion into the tech required to introduce kazoos as a bardic instrument than we have to anything related to this proposal. Part of me kind of wishes that the real stuff we were working on would get leaked, as I'm beyond excited for some of the stuff in u41 and would do almost anything to break some news about what's happening soon I guess we'll all have to wait!

Message me the details and I will promise not to tell anyone on Khyber

[Torkzed]

It isn't, official font nonwithstanding :P We have put more serious discussion into the tech required to introduce kazoos as a bardic instrument than we have to anything related to this proposal. Part of me kind of wishes that the real stuff we were working on would get leaked, as I'm beyond excited for some of the stuff in u41 and would do almost anything to break some news about what's happening soon I guess we'll all have to wait!

Keep working that tech...I want kazoos as a bardic instrument!!

[Lynnabel]

Keep working that tech...I want kazoos as a bardic instrument!!

It's either kazoo or air horn, let us know what would be the best choice.

[Torkzed]

It's either kazoo or air horn, let us know what would be the best choice.

Ooooh...tough choice...

The air horn has undeniable and visceral impact, but...

...I think the versatility of the kazoo is more in keeping with bardic flavor.

And honestly, who doesn't get chills when listening to an epic rendition of heroic kazoo music?

[FuzzyDuck81]

It's either kazoo or air horn, let us know what would be the best choice.

clearly the answer is neither, but more cowbell

[hinton]

clearly the answer is neither, but more cowbell

more cowbells!!!!!!!

[glmfw1]

It's either kazoo or air horn, let us know what would be the best choice.

Call me easy, but I'd settle for a harp, as an alternative to the lute.