Update 40 Preview 1: Raid Loot Feedback Thread

[bloodnose13]

Also, what's something cool the Chaosbow could do? I want it to be thematically chaos-aligned due to its look and origin story, but if you guys want more pizzazz I gotchu - just give me ideas

maybe it should do something thematic on arrow hit, like summon friendly reaver or dretch, or friendly chaos magic orb like those from xorian cypher, that would do random things to enemies that pass through it? actually, same orbs appear in DQ preraid too.

[Krelar]

I don't suppose we'll be able to upgrade the heroic WPM weapons? I was disappointed when I realized I was doing more damage with a Ravenloft falchion (w/ improved critical) than Blackrazor. They really should be good for more than 1 level.

[marciodoc]

I really liked that ring, as my end game main is an assassin, but I second someone who said the ring needs some kind of special power.
Most times when we wait for raid loot we imagine there will be some new thing, not just a gathering of good specs.
Maybe add "while stealth you gain 15% running speed" or "while stealth your dex/int based skills increase 5 points for every second, up to 5 times". Something new and unusual.
But please, don't mess with the assassinate/ insightful assassinate

[Taurnish]

I logged in to try some of the new loot. I made a level 30 Eldritch aura melee Warlock, Fey (sonic damage), Wood Elf ...of course.

I tried out the

Nullcloth armor

, the

Elyd Charm

,

Tornado

and the

Hellstroke

heavy mace. I tried my best to get the

Nulllcloth

to proc and it did about as often as I would expect. It did proc on casters who hit me with thrown weapons as well as spells. The

Tornado

effects were graphically nice and also proc often and were effective at knockdown in the Level 30 Delera area as well as in the Madness series of House J. The heavy mace was decent and the

Elyd charm

was a nice addition to sonic power with the other anthem items also equipped. However, I do think this item needs a little extra something (maybe quality false life? Quality healing Amp?). A greater bonus to wearing 4 items with anthem could also be considered such as quality enchantment focus +4).

I am glad to see the set bonus of dual wielding

Brilliant Crescents

. I think this opens up additional options not only with new loot (at any level) but the possibility of combining new with old loot in order to get a "set bonus." I would suggest a set bonus for the

Nightshard

and

Timeshard

. One, this seems very logical, and two a bonus could be easily created focusing on the bending of time in favor of the night. Maybe a set bonus of +20% profane concealment that would stack with displacement/ blur or a profane dodge effect.

I also like the set bonus of acid. I would encourage the addition of other set bonuses in future for other spellpowers (force especially as this is often used in epicland). Unless, I do not recall a set force bonus that already exists????

Some ideas for the future:

1. Addition of an epic level 30 great crossbow as there are few non-crafted great crossbows in epic (

Epic Leverage

and

Epic Divine Artillery

are the only two I can think of).
I think the story of the Invasion of Stormreach by the devils and the Chronoscope / Shroud is a huge milestone for DDO. New loot could often harken back to that time and what occurred after the destruction of the Marketplace Tent.

Here is one, wielded by a relative of Nat Gann.

Finn Gann's Reprise

Min level 30
Material Byeshk
Min Strength to load weapon 24
Electric Damage 9d6
Keen V
Strength to Damage
Finn Gann's Will +4 stacking profane bonus to will saves
Sovereign Banishing
Crushing 15d6 force damage on critical hit
Deception IX
Quality Assassinate +2
Red slot
Orange slot

Despite having the strength of a minotaur, Finn Gann, unlike his cousin Nat, preferred to keep his enemies at a distance just like the mindflayers he hunted down after the attack on Stormreach.

2. A heavy pick for high level epics other than Perion's Talon that does not have to be crafted. Another wielded by Finn, the cousin of Nat Gann, although this one had an evil effect on the owner.

Finn's Jab

Heavy Pick
Level 30
Evil Aligned, any good character wielding this item will suffer a negative level
Material Byeshk
Metalline
Sovereign Shattermantle (reduces opponents spell resistance by 9 for 9 seconds. Nonstackable.)
Keen V
Ghost Touch
Shrieking 10 (10d6 sonic damage on each hit)
Crushing 20 (20d6 force damage on each critical hit)
Quality Assassinate +2 *

unique benefit

Red slot
Orange slot

Finn always knew when to put the crossbow down. Finn at times, tracked down the incorporeal dead of the enemies of Stormreach.

* If a character dual wields Finn's Jab then the Quality Assassinate bonuses stack and become +4

Both of these items would have some benefit for the newly released falconer tree yet would be very useful even without that enhancement line.

Thanks for reading....
--Lorr of Argo

[Niminae]

Also, what's something cool the Chaosbow could do? I want it to be thematically chaos-aligned due to its look and origin story, but if you guys want more pizzazz I gotchu - just give me ideas

Chaos effects:
1) 100% Double Rainbow/Colors of the Queen proc
1a) Chance (7%?) for 3+ Double Rainbow/Colors of the Queen procs
2) 100% Improved Cursespewing (as in does not require a critical)
2a) Both Cursespewing and Improved Cursespewing on a crit, since they stack
3) 6+ random effects from the Spellplague/Spelltouched list
4) +100d100 damage of a random type including all 5 elemental types, all 4 alignment types, and bane

[Niminae]

Clouded dreams. Mind Mind Drain (-5% Max Spell Points) and -4 Will Saves? LOL. The item does not even have more slots than normal. Why do you create an item that is pure sentient food for a raid? Even without the penalties, the ring would rarely be used, since it competes with the team of slavers and the nightmother scepter

This. The whole point of negative effects is as a trade off for higher level effects. And yet that isn't happening in current itemization.

Just like the revised Brawn's Spirits, the item has penalties but no offsetting advantages to make those curses a decent trade-off.

The text for the cursed effects reads:

The minimum level required to equip this item is lower than normal due to this curse.

And yet the values of the effects on Brawn's Spirits are exactly what a L4 item would provide, 6 Intimidate and +12 Incite. Why were the curses left without the 'lower level to equip' part being followed, or why were the effects not raised beyond what a L4 item could have in Cannith Crafting to compensate for the two curses?

The same logic applies in full to the Clouded Dreams Ring. Either ditch the cursed effects or improve the standard effects to compensate.

[Silverleafeon]

The Reflection of Wave Quarterstaff
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+6]

• The Crash of the Waves: On Harmful Spellcast, you have a small chance of locking an enemy in a frozen block of ice. DC 100.
• Frozen Storm Lore: Ice/Electric/Sonic Spell Lore +30%
• Frozen Storm Power: Ice/Electric/Sonic Spell Power 208
• Swirling Ice Shield: 3 Charges/3 per day
• Greater Water Elemental Form: While in Water Elemental Form (Druid and Sorcerer both count for this), you benefit from 50 Exceptional Cold Spell Power, 20% Exceptional Cold Spell Lore, and you have 5 additional maximum/current Cold Spell caster levels
• Water Breathing
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Sphere of Waves Orb
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+6]

• The Crash of the Waves: On Harmful Spellcast, you have a small chance of locking an enemy in a frozen block of ice. DC 100.
• Frozen Storm Lore: Ice/Electric Spell Lore +30%
• Frozen Storm Power: Ice/Electric Spell Power 208
• Cold Resist 78
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Interesting

[janave]

I really liked that ring, as my end game main is an assassin, but I second someone who said the ring needs some kind of special power.
Most times when we wait for raid loot we imagine there will be some new thing, not just a gathering of good specs.
Maybe add "while stealth you gain 15% running speed" or "while stealth your dex/int based skills increase 5 points for every second, up to 5 times". Something new and unusual.
But please, don't mess with the assassinate/ insightful assassinate

Given the last few years of rogue treatment, id suggest to preslot this item with an augment:

+2 Assassinate while in stealth,+10% stealth movement speed.

Players should get higher DCs than their falcons

[Feagor]

I really liked that ring, as my end game main is an assassin, but I second someone who said the ring needs some kind of special power.
Most times when we wait for raid loot we imagine there will be some new thing, not just a gathering of good specs.
Maybe add "while stealth you gain 15% running speed" or "while stealth your dex/int based skills increase 5 points for every second, up to 5 times". Something new and unusual.
But please, don't mess with the assassinate/ insightful assassinate

Good call, this ring does need something more unique, especially to assassins.
What about a combined effect of invisibility guard (cloak of night) and shadow phase (shadowscale armor) and a little dodge bonus (and max dodge bonus) on top of that in every succesfull assassinate attempts?
I'd say a 5 seconds effect with 30 seconds internal cooldown.

Too much?

[barecm]

I like putting vorpal on it, it's also a half die-step increase. Originally (the Player's Council version) had Vampirism but our ranged vampirism is a little funky and I didn't want to sabotage a raid item with something not 100% accurate. A whole new Scion of Limbo style thing would be a little out of scope, but I'll see what I can do.

There is already vampirism on the turn in bow in Ravenloft, so not sure that would be so unique. And in all honesty, when you are running around with 1300+ hps, gaining back 2 or 3 a shot is not really doing much imho.

My suggestion is a Chaos damage vulnerability to replace imp destruction and a 5-10% stacking speed bonus instead of the 25% alacrity that gives only 3% over Epic Haste feat... which most take already as archers.

If you want to add a vorpal proc, how about an AOE Chaos burst or a stack of Chaos damage tick or something along those lines?

[Niminae]

"Some weird niche build could potentially use this" is not a reason to make incoherent items with random nonsense bonuses.

On the flip side, items that don't 100% line up with all the established builds does give people some room to stretch their horizons and their imaginations. As an example see the discussion regarding Elyd Charm. Sure, Stat + Insightful Stat makes gearing easier. But Insightful Devotion instead of Insightful Cha doesn't push the item into the rubbish bin. And Insightful spell pen instead of yet another defensive affect doesn't push Bracers of the Mountain onto the rubbish bin either. Both cases are a single affect, which doesn't really qualify either item as an "incoherent item with random nonsense bonuses."

[Niminae]

Now, at last, Kargon will have a truly worthy weapon of dead meat, the Red Dragon Fist of Kargon, with which to bludgeon opponents into oblivion. He can even duel wield it with a Ham or Broccoli or a Mind Flayer Head or whatever.

Kargon has done so much for us. It is time, my friends, to do something for Kargon.

If you lose to Kargon in a PVP arena, you get a free tee shirt with an image of Kargon holding the Red Dragon Fist of Kargon. The caption reads "I got fisted by Kargon in the Open Palm!"

[Niminae]

Nullcloth Armor Heavy Armor

Nullmagic Guard (on being struck, has a chance to silence your foe)

I hope this works like Magic Backlash and works against any enemy spell cast and isn't really an 'on melee hit' as it appears to be.

[Soleran100]

Simple solution for the bow, make it 19-20 without elasticity. I know it's been discussed but bows suffer from 2h usage without the benefit of additional slots, benefits etc.

[Ganak]

There should be a Dwarven Axe as one was not provided in the Strahd and Baba loot tables.

How about:


Thaarak Axe

• Dwarven Axe
• Damage Dice: 5[1d10]
• 9d6 Acid Damage on hit
• Legendary Phantasmal Killer
• Legendary Nightmares
• Legendary Thaarak Corrosion
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

[Dreppo]

Sing on the Move? Caper on the Tiptoe? Scream on the Skip?

Band on the Run

[Arkat]

Band on the Run

Excellent.

+1

[janave]

Simple solution for the bow, make it 19-20 without elasticity. I know it's been discussed but bows suffer from 2h usage without the benefit of additional slots, benefits etc.

There would be also the idea to introduce Greatbows to the game, with bigger dices, less accuracy, scaling min STR requirement.

It would not solve every problem bow dps has, but a 2d6+6 dice would start to make things a lot more interesting very quickly :P.

[Cantor]

Chaos effects:
1) 100% Double Rainbow/Colors of the Queen proc
1a) Chance (7%?) for 3+ Double Rainbow/Colors of the Queen procs
2) 100% Improved Cursespewing (as in does not require a critical)
2a) Both Cursespewing and Improved Cursespewing on a crit, since they stack
3) 6+ random effects from the Spellplague/Spelltouched list
4) +100d100 damage of a random type including all 5 elemental types, all 4 alignment types, and bane

Love the spellplague idea, that's cool and thematic makes a difference, but being random is not OP.

[SquidMaster]

Given the last few years of rogue treatment, id suggest to preslot this item with an augment:

+2 Assassinate while in stealth,+10% stealth movement speed.

Players should get higher DCs than their falcons

Well, you have to be stealth to assassinate.

Maybe add something like the Measure the Foe T5 Assassin enhancement, I'd call it Improved Measure the Foe.

Improved Measure the Foe: Gain +6 Melee Power, +2 Dodge, +2 Maximum Dodge, +1 to hit and +1 to the DC's of your Assassinate abilities for every 4/2/1 seconds you remain stealthed. This effect increase the stacks of Measure the Foe to up to 10(?) times, and lasts 10 seconds after you come out of stealth.

What do you think?