Update 40 Preview 1: Raid Loot Feedback Thread

[Cocomajobo]

This thread is for feedback on both the new raid loot coming with Update 40. For full release notes on this Preview push please look here.

Theme: Time Travel! These are alternate timeline versions of raid and quest items you know and love. They'll be similar in theme and different in slot, or similar in slot and different in theme. You'll understand what I mean when you start looking at them.

Power Levels: These are all Raid level items! They are minimum level 29. They'll match the numbers of The Curse of Strahd and Baba Lysaga. All Crit Profiles are standard, or Standard + keen, with the exception of The Staff of Shadows.

You can find all of these items on the "Loot Guy" in the Test Dojo on Lamannia. Note: some of these differ slightly from what you will see on Lamannia as a couple last minute tweaks have been made to design that did not make it into this preview. When in doubt, what is listed in this thread is the intended item. Please make note of any differences in case they are bugs that we are unaware of (which is always possible).

WEAPONS:

The Staff of Shadows Quarterstaff
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+6]
+1 Base Multiplier

• Material: Adamantine
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Brilliant Crescent Sickle
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+3]

• 9d6 Lawful Damage (Chaotic characters will take a neg level)
• Limb Chopper
• Keen V
• Material: Adamantine
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot
• Set Bonus: When both Brilliant Crescents are equipped, you have +20% Offhand Strike Chance

Chaosbow Longbow
Damage Dice: 5[1d8+3]

• 9d6 Chaotic Damage (Lawful characters will take a neg level)
• Improved Destruction
• Elasticity (+1 Mult on 19-20)
• Ranged Alacrity 25%
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Hellstroke Heavy Mace Heavy Mace
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+3]

• Maiming 9
• Impact V
• Doublestrike 23%
• Material: Cold Iron
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Tornado Handaxe
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+3]

• 9d6 Sonic Damage on hit
• Legendary Telekinetic (DC 90 Knockdown)
• Legendary Slicing Winds
• Legendary Sirocco (DC 90 Blind)
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Timeshard Shortsword
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+3]

• Doublestrike 23%
• Identity Crisis (Salt proc on-hit)
• Legendary Paralyzing (DC 90)
• Freedom of Movement
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Nightshard Scimitar
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+3]

• Identity Crisis (Salt proc on-hit)
• Keen V
• Utter Disintegration
• Material: Byeshk
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Staff of Irian Quarterstaff
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+6]

• Deific Focus III
• Fire/Light Spell Power 208
• Fire/Light Spell Lore 30%
• If Quarterstaves are your favored weapon, whenever you expend a charge of Turn Undead, you become Favored by Irian, increasing your Fire and Light Spell Critical Damage by 5% (Quality Bonus) for 20 seconds.
• If Quarterstaves are your favored weapon, while you are projecting an Aura of Menace, you can absorb 20 spells per rest.
• Brazen Brilliance (from the Sunsword)
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Lightning Coil Light Mace
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+3]

• Every few seconds, this weapon charges you with more lingering electricity that increases lightning spell power/spell lore. When you cast a lightning spell, it consumes all stacks. Each stack provides 10 Exceptional Lightning Spell Power, and 5% exceptional Lightning Spell Lore, max stack size 3.
• Lightning Spell Power 208
• Lightning Spell Lore 30%
• Evocation Spell DC +8
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

ARMOR:

Mail of the Mroranon Medium Armor

• Strength +20
• PRR +52
• Fortification 208%
• Your Rage provides you with Energy Drain immunity for its duration.
• Green Augment Slot
• Yellow Augment Slot

Nullcloth Armor Heavy Armor

• Nullmagic Guard (on being struck, has a chance to silence your foe)
• PRR +52
• Fortification 208%
• Will Saves +16
• Magical Null (15% penalty to spell failure)
• Green Augment Slot
• Yellow Augment Slot

ACCESSORIES:

Gauntlets of the Stormreaver Gloves

• Big huge Lightning Strike on Vorpal hits to your target
• Protection +16
• Insightful Sheltering +26
• Lightning Absorption +76
• Green Augment Slot
• Yellow Augment Slot

Ring of the Silver Tongue Ring

• Improved Deception
• Insightful Deception Att/Dmg
• Assassinate
• Insightful Assassinate
• Green Augment Slot
• Blue Augment Slot

Clouded Dreams Ring

• Exceptional Potency +20
• Exceptional Spell Lore +10%
• Insightful Spell Focus Mastery +4
• Improved Nightmare Guard (DC 100)
• Mind Drain (-5% Max Spell Points)
• -4 Will Saves
• Green Augment Slot
• Yellow Augment Slot

Trinket of Freewill Trinket

• Mind Control Immunity
• Magical Resistance Rating +52
• Spell Resistance +46
• Insightful Wisdom +9
• Green Augment Slot
• Blue Augment Slot

Elyd Charm Necklace

• Anthem
• Charisma +20
• Insightful Devotion +104
• When you have 3 or more sources of Anthem, this grants exceptional 30 sonic spell power and 15% sonic spell lore
• Green Augment Slot
• Yellow Augment Slot

Bracers of the Mountain Bracers

• Physical Resistance Rating +52
• Insightful Physical Resistance Rating +25
  
• Insightful Spell Penetration
• Petrification Immunity
• Set Bonus: While wearing this and the Cloak of the Mountain, grants exceptional 30 Acid Spell Power and 15% Acid Spell Lore, and when struck you sometimes cast Stoneskin on yourself.
• Green Augment Slot
• Blue Augment Slot

Cloak of the Mountain Cloak

• Insightful Charisma +9
• Spell Focus Mastery
• Spell Penetration
• Spellcast on the Run feat
• Set Bonus: While wearing this and the Bracers of the Mountain, grants exceptional 30 Acid Spell Power and 15% Acid Spell Lore, and when struck you sometimes cast Stoneskin on yourself.
• Green Augment Slot
• Yellow Augment Slot

Wind Howler Mask Helmet

• Insightful Dexterity +9
• Relentless Fury
• Doubleshot 12%
• Tendon Slice, 16 seconds
• Green Augment Slot
• Yellow Augment Slot

OTHER WEAPONS:

These weapons will also be included in Update 40, although their acquisition method will be a little different than most methods. More details to come when the rest of the Update is a little further along. You can expect to have to run raid-level content to access these.

The Reflection of Blackrazor Greatsword
Damage Dice: 7[2d6+6] (+2W from Keen)

• Soul Devouring: On hit, applies a stack of Soul Scar - Reduces AC, Fortification, and Will Saves by 1, stacks 20 times. On hit, Blackrazor can attempt to devour the Soul of a non-boss monster (DC 100 Phantasmal Killer vs Will negates, no effect vs mobs at 5,000 or more HP). When you kill a target, this adds a stack of Devoured Soul to you, max 20, which provides a profane bonus of 1 to Damage and Melee power per stack. On Block or unequip, consumed souls are released. Souls last for 20 seconds.
• Keen V
• Entropic (Bane damage on hit)
• Vampirism 4d2
• Mind Control Immunity
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Soulrazor Longsword
Damage Dice: 7[1d8+3] (+2W from Keen)

• Soul Devouring: On hit, applies a stack of Soul Scar - Reduces AC, Fortification, and Will Saves by 1, stacks 20 times. On hit, Blackrazor can attempt to devour the Soul of a non-boss monster (DC 100 Phantasmal Killer vs Will negates, no effect vs mobs at 5,000 or more HP). When you kill a target, this adds a stack of Devoured Soul to you, max 20, which provides a profane bonus of 1 to Damage and Melee power per stack. On Block or unequip, consumed souls are released. Souls last for 20 seconds.
• Keen V
• Entropic (Bane damage on hit)
• Vampirism 4d2
• Mind Control Immunity
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

The Reflection of Whelm Warhammer
Damage Dice: 5[1d8+3]

• Overwhelming Shockwave: This reverberates with incredible power, and on a Vorpal strike releases a shockwave that does extreme damage to surrounding enemies. It also dazes your target (like Guardbreaking)
• +1 Crit Multiplier on a 19-20
• Bonesplitter
• Giant Bane
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Overwhelming Impact Throwing Hammer
Damage Dice: 5[1d4+3]

• Overwhelming Shockwave: This reverberates with incredible power, and on a Vorpal strike releases a shockwave that does extreme damage to surrounding enemies. It also dazes your target (like Guardbreaking)
• +1 Crit Multiplier on a 19-20
• Bonesplitter
• Giant Bane
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

The Reflection of Wave Quarterstaff
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+6]

• The Crash of the Waves: On Harmful Spellcast, you have a small chance of locking an enemy in a frozen block of ice. DC 100.
• Frozen Storm Lore: Ice/Electric/Sonic Spell Lore +30%
• Frozen Storm Power: Ice/Electric/Sonic Spell Power 208
• Swirling Ice Shield: 3 Charges/3 per day
• Greater Water Elemental Form: While in Water Elemental Form (Druid and Sorcerer both count for this), you benefit from 50 Exceptional Cold Spell Power, 20% Exceptional Cold Spell Lore, and you have 5 additional maximum/current Cold Spell caster levels
• Water Breathing
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Sphere of Waves Orb
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+6]

• The Crash of the Waves: On Harmful Spellcast, you have a small chance of locking an enemy in a frozen block of ice. DC 100.
• Frozen Storm Lore: Ice/Electric Spell Lore +30%
• Frozen Storm Power: Ice/Electric Spell Power 208
• Cold Resist 78
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Reflection of Angdrelve Greatsword
Damage Dice: 5[2d6+6]

• Chance to cause confusion on-hit, also does 9d6 chaos damage to confused targets - lawful characters take a neg level
• 9d6 Acid Damage on-hit
• 5 Constitution Damage on-hit
• Legendary Slay Living proc (DC 100)
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Soul's Sorrow Bastard Sword
Damage Dice: 5[1d10+3]

• Chance to cause confusion on-hit, also does 9d6 chaos damage to confused targets - lawful characters take a neg level
• 9d6 Acid Damage on-hit
• 5 Constitution Damage on-hit
• Legendary Slay Living proc (DC 100)
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

The Reflection of the Frostblade Scimitar
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+3]

• Legendary Freezing Ice proc (DC 100)
• 9d6 Frost Damage on-hit
• 9d10 Evil Outsider Bane
• Material: Silver
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Thanks for reading, and please let us know what you think!


IMPORTANT TO NOTE

• The Loot guy in the Test Dojo will sell you any of these items for platinum, but also has a copy of the "Raid Rune Turn In" barter box. In Preview 1 there is currently no way to gain the "Time Runes" required to trade in for the items using that barter box. Simply use the shop instead.
• Character Copies to Lamannia are not available for Preview 1.

[Iriale]

Clouded dreams. Mind Mind Drain (-5% Max Spell Points) and -4 Will Saves? LOL. The item does not even have more slots than normal. Why do you create an item that is pure sentient food for a raid? Even without the penalties, the ring would rarely be used, since it competes with the team of slavers and the nightmother scepter

Does Wave lose fom?

I guess you forgot to write the staff of shadows stats.

[HastyPudding]

Clouded dreams. Mind Mind Drain (-5% Max Spell Points) and -4 Will Saves? LOL. The item does not even have more slots than normal. Why do you create an item that is pure sentient food for a raid? Even without the penalties, the ring would rarely be used, since it competes with the team of slavers and the nightmother scepter

Does Wave lose fom?

I guess you forgot to write the staff of shadows stats.

The clouded dreams also gives +10% exceptional spell lore. 10% stacking lore is a lot. Sorcerers would love this one.


I wonder if anthem augments count for the Elyd Charm, though.

[Lynnabel]

The clouded dreams also gives +10% exceptional spell lore. 10% stacking lore is a lot. Sorcerers would love this one.


I wonder if anthem augments count for the Elyd Charm, though.

They do! Or, er, should! If they don't please let me know!

[apep1412]

The Reflection of Blackrazor Greatsword
Damage Dice: 7[2d6+6] (+2W from Keen)

• Soul Devouring: On hit, applies a stack of Soul Scar - Reduces AC, Fortification, and Will Saves by 1, stacks 20 times. On hit, Blackrazor can attempt to devour the Soul of a non-boss monster (DC 100 Phantasmal Killer vs Will negates, no effect vs mobs at 5,000 or more HP). When you kill a target, this adds a stack of Devoured Soul to you, max 20, which provides a profane bonus of 1 to Damage and Melee power per stack. Killing an enemy with this weapon also grants you one Soul. On Block or unequip, consumed souls are released. Souls last for 20 seconds.
• Keen V
• Entropic (Bane damage on hit)
• Vampirism 4d2
• Mind Control Immunity
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

The bolded part of Soul Devouring's description seems redundant. The first sentence says it gives you a Devoured Soul on kill and describes the effect. The second sentence says you also get a Soul on kill. Are a Soul and Devoured Soul the same thing? If not, what does a Soul do? If so, is the second sentence supposed to give a second way to get a (Devoured) Soul?

[Lynnabel]

The bolded part of Soul Devouring's description seems redundant. The first sentence says it gives you a Devoured Soul on kill and describes the effect. The second sentence says you also get a Soul on kill. Are a Soul and Devoured Soul the same thing? If not, what does a Soul do? If so, is the second sentence supposed to give a second way to get a (Devoured) Soul?

Transcription error, they're the same thing.

[Arkat]

Hellstroke Heavy Mace Heavy Mace
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+3]

• Maiming 9
• Impact V
• Doublestrike 23%
• Material: Cold Iron
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

The in-game item is missing "Impact V"

[Lynnabel]

The in-game item is missing "Impact V"

Fixed, thanks for letting us know

[Grace_ana]

The Staff of Shadows Quarterstaff
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+6]
+1 Base Multiplier

• Material: Adamantine
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Um, is this missing info? Because it appears to be missing effects. A lot of effects.

[Arkat]

Reflection of Angdrelve Greatsword
Damage Dice: 5[2d6+6]

• Chance to cause confusion on-hit, also does 9d6 chaos damage to confused targets - lawful characters take a neg level
• 9d6 Acid Damage on-hit
• 5 Constitution Damage on-hit
• Legendary Slay Living proc (DC 100)
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

The Reflection of the Frostblade Scimitar
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+3]

• Legendary Freezing Ice proc (DC 100)
• 9d6 Frost Damage on-hit
• 9d10 Evil Outsider Bane
• Material: Silver
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Am I missing something? Is there an "Echo of Angdreive" somewhere? How about an "Echo of the Frostblade"?

[Fivetigers33]

Elyd Charm Necklace
•Anthem
•Charisma +20
•Insightful Devotion +104
•When you have 3 or more sources of Anthem, this grants exceptional 30 sonic spell power and 15% sonic spell lore
•Green Augment Slot
•Yellow Augment Slot



Please consider changing Insightful Devotion to Insightful Charisma.

While Devotion is useful to Bards, it's not nearly as useful as Charisma. The item looked pretty cool until I saw that. If you want bards to replace their Bells of Warding, the current version isn't going to do it.

[Arkat]

The Staff of Shadows Quarterstaff
Damage Dice: 5[1d6+6]
+1 Base Multiplier

• Material: Adamantine
• Red Augment Slot
• Orange Augment Slot

Um, is this missing info? Because it appears to be missing effects. A lot of effects.

Indeed.

[Krell]

Gauntlets of the Stormreaver Gloves
Big huge Lightning Strike on Vorpal hits to your target
Protection +16
Insightful Sheltering +26
Lightning Absorption +76
Green Augment Slot
Yellow Augment Slot

Is that Lightning Resist +76? Or Lightning Absorption 76%

[Selvera]

Yay; finally a quarterstaff and longbow which look like they should be about to outperform ToEE on paper. Even though the ToEE ones still critical better; base damage dice are a thing; and the math would have to be run to see when ToEE becomes better then these options. (Better base critical profiles will always be better weapons at some number of bonus damage; the question is if it is reasonable or even possible to achieve that in game).

The handaxe also has me considering replacing the legendary forgotten axe in a couple of builds that I'm theorycrafting as viable melees; although it's lacking the critical profile and critical damage of the forgotten axe; the base die and weapon procs might just make up for it.

The heavy mace and sickle I doubt are good enough to make those weapon types worth using.

It's nice to finally get an insightful wisdom item that's not restricting your armor type; although unfortunately it's in the same slot as the hands of the dawn healer; so clerics and wisdom fvs are still sad.

I'm glad you're making a raid-level blackrazor, although the longsword looks like it would under perform. (Longswords are pretty much second-class khopeshes after all).

I can see sphere of wave being pretty powerful on some types of casters.
I know someone who's probably unimpressed that it's not a melee orb

Seems to be a lot of items that penalize characters for being lawful; I might be forced into some chaotic tendancies soon.

I can see the reflection of frostblade become the new fotm in some higher reaper circles.

[janave]

This almost made me cry, after seeing all the cool effects on other items..

Chaosbow Longbow
Damage Dice: 5[1d8+3]
9d6 Chaotic Damage (Lawful characters will take a neg level) //ninja hate
Improved Destruction //augmentable or available as enhancements
Elasticity (+1 Mult on 19-20) // mmhmok.. i guess, altho same as on heroic level 14 after how many years?
Ranged Alacrity 25% // +3% over permahaste feat
Red Augment Slot
Orange Augment Slot

But then again, i will probably wont try to play more bow builds for a while...

PS: so this whole discussion didnt flip a single bit.

[Lynnabel]

Am I missing something? Is there an "Echo of Angdreive" somewhere? How about an "Echo of the Frostblade"?

Angdrelve is a particular greatsword you've seen someone else. Likewise, the Frostblade is already somewhere, it just happens to be in somewhere you may not remember

[Grace_ana]

Indeed.

Oh man, and I thought it was perhaps lost in just the post. So it's really just...that? Everything else has the same number of augment slots and similar dice AND several cool effects. Please tell me this isn't correct. Throw us staff wielders a bone.

[Lynnabel]

Oh man, and I thought it was perhaps lost in just the post. So it's really just...that? Everything else has the same number of augment slots and similar dice AND several cool effects. Please tell me this isn't correct. Throw us staff wielders a bone.

As per the notes above, it has +1 base critical multiplier. We are aware that the Lamannia version does not reflect what is written above.

[CrispyonInside]

Angdrelve is a particular greatsword you've seen someone else. Likewise, the Frostblade is already somewhere, it just happens to be in somewhere you may not remember

::cough:: Graz'zt ::cough::

[Grace_ana]

As per the notes above, it has +1 base critical multiplier. We are aware that the Lamannia version does not reflect what is written above.

I realize it has a base crit multiplier, but I'm not understanding why it's the only thing it has, in comparison to the other weapons.I mean, a base crit multiplier is nice and all, but on a base 20 only crit weapon, it won't balance out the lack of effects. Plus, no effects is...boring. I think in comparison to the other weapons you listed, the staff is lacking in power.

That said (and in conjunction) I like a lot of the other loot. That's why I'm sad about the staff. Can it be revisited?

Edit: Okay, it clicked in finally where you were trying to go with this. Staff of Shadow=Sword of Shadow. Adamantine, extra base crit multiplier, some augment slots. I think you missed the mark a bit, though, and here's why:

1. The Sword of Shadow has an expanded crit range as well, which is why the extra multiplier is a big deal. On a 20 only crit...meh. And sure, we all expand the crit ranges, but that also goes for the eSoS. So it's not a good comparison.

2. Pretty much no one uses the eSoS at end game. It's still an amazing weapon, but it doesn't compare to other THF weapons that are available at end game. Same goes for the staff - it doesn't hold up against the other stuff available.

I would suggest the following:

1. Expand the crit range

2. Give it at least ONE cool effect, OR give it another augment slot

I suspect that will bring it more in line with end game weapons, while still sticking to the feel of what you were going for.

(I still want a staff that's full of cool effects, though. Next time?)