Echo of Wave clickie ends if you unequp

[Valiance]

So farmed up Echo of Wave excited for a weapon that was decent at best on a druid caster but at least had a clickie that was useful across the board as I farm up my racial past lives.

Nope. The second you unequip Wave the damage reduction clickie goes away. Making this a truly worthless item.

Is this WAI? Other clickies don't disappear when you unequip so not sure what the deal is.

[FuzzyDuck81]

So farmed up Echo of Wave excited for a weapon that was decent at best on a druid caster but at least had a clickie that was useful across the board as I farm up my racial past lives.

Nope. The second you unequip Wave the damage reduction clickie goes away. Making this a truly worthless item.

Is this WAI? Other clickies don't disappear when you unequip so not sure what the deal is.

Pretty sure this is WAI, i remember Lynnabel posting something a little while back about getting it to work that way

[scipiojedi]

WAI to prevent exploits

[J1NG]

The Shielding effect that reduces damage basically stacks. So if it didn't go away, you could have enough time to stack enough of them where you basically take no damage at all, on ANY difficulty (including R10). Hence, auto-off on unequip.

J1NG

[SpartanKiller13]

So farmed up Echo of Wave excited for a weapon that was decent at best on a druid caster but at least had a clickie that was useful across the board as I farm up my racial past lives.

Nope. The second you unequip Wave the damage reduction clickie goes away. Making this a truly worthless item.

Is this WAI? Other clickies don't disappear when you unequip so not sure what the deal is.

It is WAI, per Lynnabel. Doesn't make it useless, it's still a fantastic tank clicky on any non-shield build, but especially since it's non-exclusive it would obviously be the premier tank item in DDO if it remained across swaps. As such, it's a great item for making a non-tank into a temporary tank, but it's not a top-tier required item on every character.

Not to mention the DC 35/90 freeze chance on spellcast.

The Shielding effect that reduces damage basically stacks. So if it didn't go away, you could have enough time to stack enough of them where you basically take no damage at all, on ANY difficulty (including R10). Hence, auto-off on unequip.

J1NG

It stacks with itself? How did you test that? Given that it swaps off on equip.

Even so, it's 25% off everything post-mitigation so it's very nice if you're not using a shield.

[C-Dog]

Also (and I say this despite not loving the argument) it's consistent w/ canon. It's the item itself that provides the buff, not a spell that the item casts on you. Which is what most other clickies do.

[Lynnabel]

Yep, WAI. The intention wasn't for every tank ever to have to farm one up from now until the rest of time - it's just a cool thing that Wave can do for you. Part of me really wishes all Clickies worked like that, but I'm pretty sure you guys would revolt if that were the case.

It's currently a little finicky, though, so enjoy that while it lasts

[Niminae]

WAI to prevent exploits

The WAI way to prevent the exploitation of clicky effects for all other clickies in the game (they have missed a few, but you didn't hear that from me) is to make them exclusive.

Making Legendary/Echo of Wave exclusive for that purpose (I know that it is exclusive) should have been a trivial thing to do, since they have done so to many other items in the past. And that should have been the end of it. Making the clicky effect terminate when you unequip it probably took some time to figure out, and also creates a single item exception to what is otherwise a general rule. Not a good design practice. As evidence, this thread. No customer would have needed to come to the forums to try to figure out why their Echo of Wave isn't working like they think it should work if the general "how all clickys work" rule hadn't been violated.

[ChicagoChris]

The WAI way to prevent the exploitation of clicky effects for all other clickies in the game (they have missed a few, but you didn't hear that from me) is to make them exclusive.

Making Legendary/Echo of Wave exclusive for that purpose should have been a trivial thing to do, since they have done so to many other items in the past. Making the clicky effect terminate when you unequip it probably took some time to figure out, and also creates a single item exception to what is otherwise a general rule. Not a good design practice. As evidence, this thread. No customer would have needed to come to the forums to try to figure out why their Echo of Wave isn't working like their think it should work if the general "how all clickys work" rule hadn't been violated.

^^^ This - having one (well, 2 if you split heroic/epic) item work differently then the 172+ *other* clicky items is just confusing as all get out.

And I'm not saying that Lynnabel isn't doing absolutely *amazing* work for the game. I'm a spyglass Luddite, so didn't farm the new one - but that's just me, and I truly appreciate all the work that's been done on all the changes that we've seen to the game. I just think that this one concern could have been solved by the Exclusive flag rather than making a one minute clicky work differently than every other clicky in the game.

Lynnabel - keep up the good work! How do we send donuts?

[vms4ever]

^^^ This - having one (well, 2 if you split heroic/epic) item work differently then the 172+ *other* clicky items is just confusing as all get out.

And I'm not saying that Lynnabel isn't doing absolutely *amazing* work for the game. I'm a spyglass Luddite, so didn't farm the new one - but that's just me, and I truly appreciate all the work that's been done on all the changes that we've seen to the game. I just think that this one concern could have been solved by the Exclusive flag rather than making a one minute clicky work differently than every other clicky in the game.

Lynnabel - keep up the good work! How do we send donuts?

The new spyglass is the cat's meow WHEN (and only when) it is combined with a keylock ring. Could we have a level 20 keylock ring for even better stacking happiness?