Augment Re-scaling, Sooner better than Later

[PsychoBlonde]

So, it's nice that there's new epic gear sub 29 and old heroic gear is getting revamped slowly. But you know what simple change would have a BROAD value to make gear across ALL levels more useful?

Re-scaling the augments!

Almost all named gear has augment slots, and many of those are USELESS because of the TERRIBLE, OUT OF DATE scaling on augments! If the augment slots were actually valuable, a whole ton of merely okay named loot would be, if not fabulous, at least reasonably valuable.

[kmoustakas]

I agree. What would have been great is if red augments would scale with weapon level. That would also reduce the clutter of augments we currently have.

[AsburyParker]

Having all scalable augments automatically scale with slotted item level would be even better.

[btolson]

It would be nice if augments worked similar to Cannith Crafting Shards, but there's a hitch to that. There would only be a single e.g. Dexterity Augment, and expect it to get an appropriate value based on the item's Enchantment Level (preferably not its ML, consider the 30 (34) CC shards). That would allow named 28/29 gear to get more powerful augments than crafted/lootgen 30 gear.

But the hitch comes in when you want an augment to be better than the item's level alone indicates. Maybe I want one of my Epic Ring of the Stalkers (ML20) to have a Level 28 version of, say, Sheltering (ignore for the moment that current L28 sheltering augments suck, think in terms of an alternate revamp). For as long as augments remain stratified with their own level, you can do that, and simply have the ML on your item go up (from 20 to 28 in this case). But if the augment inherits from the item, then you can't do it anymore.

I guess what I'd like to see is
1) augments work like CC shards
2) but with the ability to manually specify the ML of the augment before slotting it through some interface, so that
3) when you slot it, the augment's power, as well as the ML of the item, is set to the higher of [your manually set ML on the augment] and [the item's ML]

[Requiro]

I agree. What would have been great is if red augments would scale with weapon level. That would also reduce the clutter of augments we currently have.

Yes!

Having all scalable augments automatically scale with slotted item level would be even better.

Perfect!

But...

Never happen.

To the OP: Yes, that will bring new life to some items. And made Augment slots more valuable.
But leave at least one augment in each color, that is better than CC or Random.

Some suggestion:

• Colorless
• New: Exept. stat and Ins. stat: 2 on level 1 nad +1 on each level up
• Same as CC: Ability (except ML:1)
• Better then CC: Skill points: 1 point higher then CC

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:32
Ability	2	3	5	6	8	9	11	12	14
Skill Stat	4	7	11	15	17	18	19	20	22
Exept.stat	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Ins.stat	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10

• Red
• New: Elemental damage improvement and add other damage types, like bane.
• New: Some static effects and spell critical chance based on CC
• Better then CC: Spell power higher then CC

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:32
Spell power	40	60	75	85	100	115	130	140	155
Additional damage	1d6	2d4	2d6	2d8	3d6	4d6	5d6	6d6	7d6
Spell Critical	6	8	10	12	14	16	18	20	22
Static effects	None	None	Metalline	Aligned	None	Vorpal	Vampirism	None	Greater Vorpal

• Blue
• New: Add Sheltering instead PRR and some static effects
• Same as CC: Most effect
• Better then CC: Fortification and a HP (just a little)

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:32
Natural AC	2	3	5	6	8	9	11	12	14
Protect/Resistance	2	3	4	5	6	8	9	10	11
Sheltering	3	8	12	16	20	24	28	32	36
Good luck / Static effect	Sacred	Eternal Faith	Invulnerability	GL:1	Toughness (feat)	GL:2	Mithril	GL:3	GL:4
HP	5	10	20	25	30	35	40	45	50
Armor max dex bonus	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9
Fortification / Arcane spell Failure	F: 25	F: 75	F: 100	ASF: -5%	ASF: -10%	ASF: -15%	F: 125	ASF: -20%	F: 150

• Yellow
• New: more static ability, Spell focus line reworked, Speed instead Striding
• Same as CC: most other effects
• Better then CC: Spell points and a little bit Elemental resistance

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:32
Elemental resistance	5	15	20	25	30	40	45	50	55
Extra SP	15	30	50	75	100	150	200	250	300
Spell focus line	None	1	None	2	3	4	5	None	6
Speed	II	III	V	VI	VIII	IX	XI	XII	XIV
Static abilities	FF	Underwater action	Fear, Blindness immunity	Deathblock	Silver Flame	True Sight	Regeneration	None	None
Proof against poison / disease	1	2	4	6	8	10	11	12	13

[Aelonwy]

Yes!*snip* All Great Ideas!*snip*

I wish you were a dev and we could get this done!

[C-Dog]

I'm not sure augments should do any of that, and I know if they did it would be a huge power jump.

It's an "augmentation", not an equivalent-level enchantment. They do not duplicate the power of something else at that level, they just make the item "a little better". You want to add Repair Spell power? well, either get a real item, or accept that the ruby is "meh", but a lot better than nothing at all.

And it's customizable - that's the benefit.

Just one way to look at it. <shrug>

[raclaw]

Yes!



Perfect!

But...

Never happen.

To the OP: Yes, that will bring new life to some items. And made Augment slots more valuable.
But leave at least one augment in each color, that is better than CC or Random.

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No Healing/Repair Amplification?

[blerkington]

Updating augment bonuses is a good idea that I'd like to see happen. It would probably lead to an increase in sales from the store too, even if the only work done was for regular and insightful ability score bonuses.

I agree that the bonus should stop short of BiS values, maybe even be just below what is available from Cannith Crafting (like +14/+6). If the augments scaled by item level I'd want to see how that worked for items at ML 28 and 29 before supporting that idea; it would be useful for people who play at cap if the top bonus was available at ML 28.

Thanks.

[Dulcimerist]

Having all scalable augments automatically scale with slotted item level would be even better.

/Signed
Awesome idea!

[Sam-u-r-eye]

So, it's nice that there's new epic gear sub 29 and old heroic gear is getting revamped slowly. But you know what simple change would have a BROAD value to make gear across ALL levels more useful?

Re-scaling the augments!

Almost all named gear has augment slots, and many of those are USELESS because of the TERRIBLE, OUT OF DATE scaling on augments! If the augment slots were actually valuable, a whole ton of merely okay named loot would be, if not fabulous, at least reasonably valuable.

On both my caster and melee, all my augments are filled with USEFUL stuff. I agree with your general point though that we could use more and better augments.

I know there is a significant Tech issue with them....

I'm not sure they should scale like a regular item. Cheers

[PsychoBlonde]

I don't really care if they scale with item level, but I think having +8's at level 28 when we have +19 gear is ludicrous.

[Xgya]

Currently, the items are given slots with clear intent that the effects you can get from those slots be weaker than what you could get from a full-fledged item effect.

Any revamp should take this into account.

I'd love some kind of scaling for all kinds of augments, but not to the Cannith Crafting levels. Just below that, maybe 3 item levels below the item you slot them into - just 1 if you slot them into unique items.
That way, if I don't have room to put Spot anywhere on my gear at level 18, I can slot one of my crafted stat items with one that'll hand me 1 less Spot than usual, which is a tradeoff I'm willing to make.
Same goes with many effects my character would LIKE to have, but does not NEED to have. I wouldn't want anything but Best-In-Slot for my caster's DCs or spell power, but I could reasonably trade a point of Spellcraft if that means I don't have to slot it anywhere else.

[Aelonwy]

Honestly, I wouldn't care if the augments were one or even two steps behind current Cannith Crafting levels the problem is most are far behind the curve because they were implemented years before the current CC. They need to be re-scaled. But more importantly we would like more possible augments such as dodge, tactics, seeker, accuracy, Spell Lore, and new named augments such as Elemental Victory perhaps (matches helm from ToEE) and we've been repeatedly told they will not make new augments until the system has been over-hauled.

So please over-haul it already so we can see some new effects and improvements to old very poorly scaled effects.

Thanks.

[PsychoBlonde]

I think the biggest limiting factor is probably the complexity of changing the various augment turn-ins (collectibles traders, the twelve, Gianthold traders) and then creating some sort of vendor system so that we can turn old augments in for new ones. Plus they'd have to add all the new augments to the DDO store and remove all the old ones.

I don't think there's any hope whatsoever of an update-in-place that just changes existing augments into new ones.

[MerryOldSoul]

Great idea and needed by PB.

[Saekee]

It is true that they are mostly outdated and that one might expect some kind of revamp. However, I do not want any more powercreep so not sure what to do here.

How about if augments were created that were unique and also had cosmetic effects on the weapons and armor? That could be fun. Make the effects minor but have cool cosmetic results...just thinking out loud.

[Questdoer]

/Signed

Either that or make the augment bonuses be small but stacking things.
If someone wants say... dexterity in their build then they just going to get a real dex item and not an objectively inferior bonus.

[Mglaxix]

Yes!



Perfect!

But...

Never happen.

To the OP: Yes, that will bring new life to some items. And made Augment slots more valuable.
But leave at least one augment in each color, that is better than CC or Random.

Some suggestion:

• Colorless
• New: Exept. stat and Ins. stat: 2 on level 1 nad +1 on each level up
• Same as CC: Ability (except ML:1)
• Better then CC: Skill points: 1 point higher then CC

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:32
Ability	2	3	5	6	8	9	11	12	14
Skill Stat	4	7	11	15	17	18	19	20	22
Exept.stat	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Ins.stat	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10

I see some stat inflation in this table that is way outta line some of those are better than Level 26 Greensteel and considerably lower.

I think this table strikes a balance lower than CC and without any undue power creep.

• Colorless

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:10	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:22	ML:24	ML:25	ML:28	ML:30 ( 34 )
Ability	1	2	4		5	7	9		10		11	12
Ins.stat				1	2		3		4			6
Exept.stat							1					2
Festive stat								+2 Any Stat				2
Globe of Imperial Blood						+1 Insighful All						2
Globe of True Imperial Blood										+1 Exceptional All		2
Skill Stat	2	4	8	10	12	14	15		16		17	18
Vitality	3	5	10	15	20	25	30		35		40

• Red
  New: Elemental damage improvement and add other damage types, like bane.
  New: Some static effects and spell critical chance based on CC
  Better then CC: Spell power higher then CC

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:32
Spell power	40	60	75	85	100	115	130	140	155
Additional damage	1d6	2d4	2d6	2d8	3d6	4d6	5d6	6d6	7d6
Spell Critical	6	8	10	12	14	16	18	20	22
Static effects	None	None	Metalline	Aligned	None	Vorpal	Vampirism	None	Greater Vorpal

• Red

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:30 ( 34 )
Spell power	35	50	65	80	90	100	120	138	144
Additional damage	1d4	2d4	3d4	4d4	5d4	6d4	7d4	8d4	9d4
Spell Lore		2	3	5	6	7	9	10
Damage Reduction Bypass			Byeshk, Law, Chaos, Evil, Good		Adamantine, Cold Iron, Silver

If we can't craft it we can't augment it. Whats next Banishing, Smiting, Paralyzing, and who knows what else.

I think Metalline and Aligned Augments would not be adviseable

Static effects

None

None

Metalline

Aligned

None

Vorpal

Vampirism

None

Greater Vorpal

• Blue
• New: Add Sheltering instead PRR and some static effects
• Same as CC: Most effect
• Better then CC: Fortification and a HP (just a little)

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:32
Natural AC	2	3	5	6	8	9	11	12	14
Protect/Resistance	2	3	4	5	6	8	9	10	11
Sheltering	3	8	12	16	20	24	28	32	36
Good luck / Static effect	Sacred	Eternal Faith	Invulnerability	GL:1	Toughness (feat)	GL:2	Mithril	GL:3	GL:4
HP	5	10	20	25	30	35	40	45	50
Armor max dex bonus	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9
Fortification / Arcane spell Failure	F: 25	F: 75	F: 100	ASF: -5%	ASF: -10%	ASF: -15%	F: 125	ASF: -20%	F: 150

• Blue

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:30 ( 34 )
Natural AC	1	2	4	5	6	7	8	10	12
Protect/Resistance	1	2	4	5	6	7	8	10	12
Sheltering	2	4	8	10	12	16	20	24	30
Good luck				GL:1		GL:2			GL:3
HP	3	5	10	20	25	30	35	40	45
Armor max dex bonus				1		2		3
Fortification / Arcane spell Failure	F: 25	F: 75	F: 100	ASF: -5%	ASF: -10%	ASF: -15%	F: 125	ASF: -20%	F: 150

• Yellow
• New: more static ability, Spell focus line reworked, Speed instead Striding
• Same as CC: most other effects
• Better then CC: Spell points and a little bit Elemental resistance

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:32
Elemental resistance	5	15	20	25	30	40	45	50	55
Extra SP	15	30	50	75	100	150	200	250	300
Spell focus	None	1	None	2	3	4	5	None	6
Speed	II	III	V	VI	VIII	IX	XI	XII	XIV
Static abilities	FF	Underwater action	Fear, Blindness immunity	Deathblock	Silver Flame	True Sight	Regeneration	None	None
Proof against poison / disease	1	2	4	6	8	10	11	12	13

• Yellow

Effect	ML:1	ML:4	ML:8	ML:12	ML:16	ML:20	ML:24	ML:28	ML:30 ( 34 )
Elemental resistance	5	10	15	20	25	30	35	40
Draconic Soul Gem			10 Fire, Acid, Cold, Electric		20 Fire, Acid, Cold, Electric			30 Fire, Acid, Cold, Electric
Extra SP	15	30	50	75	100	150	200	250	300
Spell focus line				1	2		3		4
Static abilities		FF, Underwater action	Fear, Blindness immunity	Deathblock, True Seeing
Proof against poison / Disease		2	4	6	8	10	12	14

I think an augment trader like what was utilized in Crystal Cove would be more than sufficient to make updating augments to the new system SSG put together.

I read somewhere where Lynnabel I believe, stated that SSG would like to use a similar system to Filigree and Green Steel Augmenting system.

I do not feel the Augment system should be more powerful than the current CC system in place but slightly less so and certainly less powerful than Named Loot and Raid Loot.

[PsychoBlonde]

Top end for stats should be at least +13 enhancement and +5 insightful. +2 insightful at level 30 when cannith crafting is +7 and named loot is +9 is silly. Yeah, there's older named loot with +4 at that level, but a that stuff got out-dated by gear level re-scaling. The point is to bring the augments in line with the NEW system. If they want to update the outdated named loot to the new system later, that's fine, but doing augments first would be more valuable simply because it's a broad system. Updating the gear of a single pack doesn't have anything like the oomph of updating a system that affects every single named loot system in the game aside from MOTU loot.