2 Different FVS 20 DC Builds: Wisdom vs. Charisma

[1cebeast]

thanks again!
i appreciate how you wrote out the pro/con of Cha Vs Wis build. that way i dont have to track you down to ask :P
think Ice will go Wis until she's tired of running Sharn.
cant wait to see new gear list. im terrible at dressing my Barbie Dolls

[huey9187]

Yes I will be offering a few alternative gear sets for both wis/cha once I have all the items and confirm nothing changed from Lamannia. I Am working on gear for 4 characters (with some builds needing the same gear) so it will take me some time to get everything. Both gear sets will be centered around the 3 piece flamecleansed fury set (Blessed Vestements med armor, hallowed trail cloak, hallowed castigators bracers) + resplendent fury orb for dps and ins wis +10).

Also for wisdom build my first thoughts are:

ARMOR: Blessed Vestements medium armor: Fort 214, Phy Shelter 54, Healing Amp 85, False Life 81
BRACERS: Hallowed Castigators: Devotion 214, Healing Lore 31, Ins Sheltering 27 (Physical and Magical), Improved metamagic empower healing
CLOAK: Radiance 214, Radiance Lore 31, Evoc Focus 9, Quality Spell Pen 3
HEAD: Legendary Hardened Hide: Ins Fort 91, Quality Magical Sheltering 11, Quality Con 4, Natural Armor 17
GOGGLES: Legendary Dusk Lenses: Potency 154, Ins Potency 77, Efficient metamagic empower/maximize
RING 1: Legendary Shattered Onyx (Profane Spell Focus II, Ins Res 8, Ins Dodge 10, Wis 21)
RING 2: Celestial Sapphire Ring: Dex 21, Dodge 21, Profane Attributes
BELT: Black Satin Belt with quality wisdom +5, spell pen 9, quality spell focus mastery 2
TRINKET: Cannith Crafted Resistance, Spell Saves, Ins Con 7 (swap for fire/elec absorb trinket for raids)
BOOTS: Slavers: Sheltering 45 (for MRR), Force Lore 27, Spellsight 22, Quality Physical Sheltering 11 (if you despise slavers you can go cannith crafted spellsight 22, sheltering 38 (MRR), ins spellsight 11)
GLOVES: Gauntlet of the Iron Council for minor artifact: Con 22, spell res 52, ins spell res 26, acid absorb 53% (even if twisting in serenity not sure if 87 is enough to be useful anywhere)
WEAPON 1: Nightmother Sceptre: Spell Pen 8, Ins Spell Pen 4, Spell Focus Mastery 7, Ins Spell Focus Mastery 4
WEAPON 2: Resplendent Fury: Ins Wis 10, Ins Radiance 106, Ins Radiance Lore 14, Coalesced Flame (temp spell points on fire/light)

I am definitely swapping out heavy armor proficiency feat for something else - that feat was to get the +ins wis/con heavy armor which isn't needed since the new set includes either medium or heavy armor as an option.

Overall - MASSIVE power boost for favored souls with the Sharn gear set despite the caster wisdom minor artifact being in the same slot already take by the flamecleansed fury set.

anything on neck slot?

[slarden]

anything on neck slot?

Conduit of the Soul will give you +2 spell pen on your divine spells. Cracked Core looks great, but it's a raid item and might take a while to get. Standard Issue Sigil would allow you to use a different prefix on your boots and a different suffix on your trinket. I will probably go with the sigil given how good fvs spell pen is to begin with.

I haven't yet swapped my gear, but will soon. I am gearing up many characters so it's a bit slower for me usually.

[huey9187]

Yes I will be offering a few alternative gear sets for both wis/cha once I have all the items and confirm nothing changed from Lamannia. I Am working on gear for 4 characters (with some builds needing the same gear) so it will take me some time to get everything. Both gear sets will be centered around the 3 piece flamecleansed fury set (Blessed Vestements med armor, hallowed trail cloak, hallowed castigators bracers) + resplendent fury orb for dps and ins wis +10).

Also for wisdom build my first thoughts are:

ARMOR: Blessed Vestements medium armor: Fort 214, Phy Shelter 54, Healing Amp 85, False Life 81
BRACERS: Hallowed Castigators: Devotion 214, Healing Lore 31, Ins Sheltering 27 (Physical and Magical), Improved metamagic empower healing
CLOAK: Radiance 214, Radiance Lore 31, Evoc Focus 9, Quality Spell Pen 3
HEAD: Legendary Hardened Hide: Ins Fort 91, Quality Magical Sheltering 11, Quality Con 4, Natural Armor 17
GOGGLES: Legendary Dusk Lenses: Potency 154, Ins Potency 77, Efficient metamagic empower/maximize
RING 1: Legendary Shattered Onyx (Profane Spell Focus II, Ins Res 8, Ins Dodge 10, Wis 21)
RING 2: Celestial Sapphire Ring: Dex 21, Dodge 21, Profane Attributes
BELT: Black Satin Belt with quality wisdom +5, spell pen 9, quality spell focus mastery 2
TRINKET: Cannith Crafted Resistance, Spell Saves, Ins Con 7 (swap for fire/elec absorb trinket for raids)
BOOTS: Slavers: Sheltering 45 (for MRR), Force Lore 27, Spellsight 22, Quality Physical Sheltering 11 (if you despise slavers you can go cannith crafted spellsight 22, sheltering 38 (MRR), ins spellsight 11)
GLOVES: Gauntlet of the Iron Council for minor artifact: Con 22, spell res 52, ins spell res 26, acid absorb 53% (even if twisting in serenity not sure if 87 is enough to be useful anywhere)
WEAPON 1: Nightmother Sceptre: Spell Pen 8, Ins Spell Pen 4, Spell Focus Mastery 7, Ins Spell Focus Mastery 4
WEAPON 2: Resplendent Fury: Ins Wis 10, Ins Radiance 106, Ins Radiance Lore 14, Coalesced Flame (temp spell points on fire/light)

I am definitely swapping out heavy armor proficiency feat for something else - that feat was to get the +ins wis/con heavy armor which isn't needed since the new set includes either medium or heavy armor as an option.

Overall - MASSIVE power boost for favored souls with the Sharn gear set despite the caster wisdom minor artifact being in the same slot already take by the flamecleansed fury set.

fyi cant put 21 wis on onyx ring

[slarden]

fyi cant put 21 wis on onyx ring

You are correct, it all still works - updated the post with tweaks to account for that slot limitation.

[huey9187]

Yes I will be offering a few alternative gear sets for both wis/cha once I have all the items and confirm nothing changed from Lamannia. I Am working on gear for 4 characters (with some builds needing the same gear) so it will take me some time to get everything. Both gear sets will be centered around the 3 piece flamecleansed fury set (Blessed Vestements med armor, hallowed trail cloak, hallowed castigators bracers) + resplendent fury orb for dps and ins wis +10).

Also for wisdom build my first thoughts are:

ARMOR: Blessed Vestements medium armor: Fort 214, Phy Shelter 54, Healing Amp 85, False Life 81
BRACERS: Hallowed Castigators: Devotion 214, Healing Lore 31, Ins Sheltering 27 (Physical and Magical), Improved metamagic empower healing
CLOAK: Radiance 214, Radiance Lore 31, Evoc Focus 9, Quality Spell Pen 3
HEAD: Legendary Hardened Hide: Ins Fort 91, Quality Magical Sheltering 11, Quality Con 4, Natural Armor 17
GOGGLES: Legendary Dusk Lenses: Potency 154, Ins Potency 77, Efficient metamagic empower/maximize
RING 1: Legendary Shattered Onyx (Profane Spell Focus II, Ins Res 8, Ins Dodge 10, Ins Wis 10)
RING 2: Celestial Sapphire Ring: Wis 21, Dodge 21, Profane Attributes
BELT: Black Satin Belt with quality wisdom +5, spell pen 9, quality spell focus mastery 2
NECK: Legendary Standard Issue Sigil: Magical Sheltering 54, Protection 17, Spell Saves 17, Parrying 10
TRINKET: Cannith Crafted Resistance, Heal 22, Ins Con 7 (swap for fire/elec absorb trinket for raids)
BOOTS: Slavers: Dex 17, Force Lore 27, Spellsight 22, Quality Physical Sheltering 11 (if you despise slavers you can go cannith crafted spellsight 22, sheltering 38 (MRR), ins spellsight 11)
GLOVES: Gauntlet of the Iron Council for minor artifact: Con 22, spell res 52, ins spell res 26, acid absorb 53% (even if twisting in serenity not sure if 87 is enough to be useful anywhere)
WEAPON 1: Nightmother Sceptre: Spell Pen 8, Ins Spell Pen 4, Spell Focus Mastery 7, Ins Spell Focus Mastery 4
WEAPON 2: Resplendent Fury: Ins Int 10, Ins Radiance 106, Ins Radiance Lore 14, Coalesced Flame (temp spell points on fire/light)

I am definitely swapping out heavy armor proficiency feat for something else - that feat was to get the +ins wis/con heavy armor which isn't needed since the new set includes either medium or heavy armor as an option.

Overall - MASSIVE power boost for favored souls with the Sharn gear set despite the caster wisdom minor artifact being in the same slot already take by the flamecleansed fury set.

no wis 21 on celestial sapphire either...looks like only rings you can put 21 wisdom on are Celestial Topaz Ring and Celestial Emerald Ring...tetris gearing lol

[slarden]

no wis 21 on celestial sapphire either...looks like only rings you can put 21 wisdom on are Celestial Topaz Ring and Celestial Emerald Ring...tetris gearing lol

Rats.

I might have to swap out goggles for collective sight and use pansophic to fit everything in. I have a to work on another project today, but will take a look at it tonight or tomorrow.

[huey9187]

Rats.

I might have to swap out goggles for collective sight and use pansophic to fit everything in. I have a to work on another project today, but will take a look at it tonight or tomorrow.

thanks

[Wipey]

I only care about Devotion and Light spellpower. Even then the light damage is really marginal in comparison, just something to do .

Collective sight ( 10 insight con, 4 quality saves, 20 insight mrr, +2 good luck )
Unbreakable Stormreach guard ( 19 con, 67 vitality, fort save 16, +2 reaper stats, only one I pulled ever )
Slavers neck ( quality con 4, 14 resistance ), that's what I have already
Epic Litany ( +2 profane stats , necro and enchant augment )
Hallowed Trail ( radiance lore and spellpower )
Black Satin ( +2 quality spell mastery, maybe + 5 quality wis one day ) Silverthread belt when I need more devo.
Shattered Onyx ( 10 insight wisdom, +2 profane spell mastery, insight resistance + 5, 10 dodge )
LGS spellpoints gloves I already have
Slavers boots ( 4 quality wisdom )
Wisdom artefact ring ( 22 wisdom, +2 festive wis, globe, +2 wis thread filigree, 2 x whatever wisdom filigree, 29 wisdom item ftw )
Hallowed bracers ( Devo and insight sheltering, evo aug )
Blessed Vestments ( +2 armored agility means 15 dodge )

Nightmother and Devil defense ( 4 quality con , 49 mrr ) 4 piece Beholder and 4 x random wisdom

Will eventually craft that 5 quality wisdom on belt, maybe charisma on goggles. Recraft that resistance on boots, idk. It's alright now already, such a pita to regear ANY toon with Sharn. Only if charisma necklace artifact had wisdom option. Castery wisdom artefact on bracers ?! Thank whoever for those craftable goggles.

About 124 wisdom, 125 Evo, 110 other schools, 200 prr, 150 mrr, 2.5k hp in reaper.

[slarden]

I only care about Devotion and Light spellpower. Even then the light damage is really marginal in comparison, just something to do .

Collective sight ( 10 insight con, 4 quality saves, 20 insight mrr, +2 good luck )
Unbreakable Stormreach guard ( 19 con, 67 vitality, fort save 16, +2 reaper stats, only one I pulled ever )
Slavers neck ( quality con 4, 14 resistance ), that's what I have already
Epic Litany ( +2 profane stats , necro and enchant augment )
Hallowed Trail ( radiance lore and spellpower )
Black Satin ( +2 quality spell mastery, maybe + 5 quality wis one day ) Silverthread belt when I need more devo.
Shattered Onyx ( 10 insight wisdom, +2 profane spell mastery, insight resistance + 5, 10 dodge )
LGS spellpoints gloves I already have
Slavers boots ( 4 quality wisdom )
Wisdom artefact ring ( 22 wisdom, +2 festive wis, globe, +2 wis thread filigree, 2 x whatever wisdom filigree, 29 wisdom item ftw )
Hallowed bracers ( Devo and insight sheltering, evo aug )
Blessed Vestments ( +2 armored agility means 15 dodge )

Nightmother and Devil defense ( 4 quality con , 49 mrr ) 4 piece Beholder and 4 x random wisdom

Will eventually craft that 5 quality wisdom on belt, maybe charisma on goggles. Recraft that resistance on boots, idk. It's alright now already, such a pita to regear ANY toon with Sharn. Only if charisma necklace artifact had wisdom option. Castery wisdom artefact on bracers ?! Thank whoever for those craftable goggles.

About 124 wisdom, 125 Evo, 110 other schools, 200 prr, 150 mrr, 2.5k hp in reaper.

Nice gear set! The goggles were the community item that Lynnabel sponsored.

[edwiin]

I only care about Devotion and Light spellpower. Even then the light damage is really marginal in comparison, just something to do .

Collective sight ( 10 insight con, 4 quality saves, 20 insight mrr, +2 good luck )
Unbreakable Stormreach guard ( 19 con, 67 vitality, fort save 16, +2 reaper stats, only one I pulled ever )
Slavers neck ( quality con 4, 14 resistance ), that's what I have already
Epic Litany ( +2 profane stats , necro and enchant augment )
Hallowed Trail ( radiance lore and spellpower )
Black Satin ( +2 quality spell mastery, maybe + 5 quality wis one day ) Silverthread belt when I need more devo.
Shattered Onyx ( 10 insight wisdom, +2 profane spell mastery, insight resistance + 5, 10 dodge )
LGS spellpoints gloves I already have
Slavers boots ( 4 quality wisdom )
Wisdom artefact ring ( 22 wisdom, +2 festive wis, globe, +2 wis thread filigree, 2 x whatever wisdom filigree, 29 wisdom item ftw )
Hallowed bracers ( Devo and insight sheltering, evo aug )
Blessed Vestments ( +2 armored agility means 15 dodge )

Nightmother and Devil defense ( 4 quality con , 49 mrr ) 4 piece Beholder and 4 x random wisdom

Will eventually craft that 5 quality wisdom on belt, maybe charisma on goggles. Recraft that resistance on boots, idk. It's alright now already, such a pita to regear ANY toon with Sharn. Only if charisma necklace artifact had wisdom option. Castery wisdom artefact on bracers ?! Thank whoever for those craftable goggles.

About 124 wisdom, 125 Evo, 110 other schools, 200 prr, 150 mrr, 2.5k hp in reaper.

No wizardy item?

What's your positive spell power without the silverthread belt?

[Wipey]

No wizardy item?

What's your positive spell power without the silverthread belt?

I had 250 augment somewhere.

But now swapped neck to Conduit of the soul ( 440 wizardry , 53 quality devo ) and crafted simple reistance 14 quality wisdom 4 slavers boots and I am done with it now.

Without Silverthread - about 750 devo "character sheet" number, 6.7k sp in reaper.

Everything can be higher but I don't have superwhatevepletionist toons.

[Oliphant]

Super build! Surprised you have greater spell pen and completionist but not epic spell pen feat going. Basically +1 DC and some HP more important than 4 spell pen for the build, or something more going on? Trying to understand the logic of endgame DC casting right now...

Thanks

[slarden]

Super build! Surprised you have greater spell pen and completionist but not epic spell pen feat going. Basically +1 DC and some HP more important than 4 spell pen for the build, or something more going on? Trying to understand the logic of endgame DC casting right now...

Thanks

This was pre-U42 when the best insightful wisdom item was on heavy armor. I will drop heavy armor proficiency in favor of epic spell pen with U42 gear.

[Lukor]

I was thinking about running your wisdom build but i do not have aasimar, would human be the next best choice?

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Perhaps the chart over there could help you ? https://ddowiki.com/page/Races

Of the F2P races, only human comes to my mind, because of the remark there :

your choice of +1 any stat & +1 to a different stat

Every other race supporting Wisdom isn't F2P.

[slarden]

I was thinking about running your wisdom build but i do not have aasimar, would human be the next best choice?

Perhaps the chart over there could help you ? https://ddowiki.com/page/Races

Of the F2P races, only human comes to my mind, because of the remark there :

Every other race supporting Wisdom isn't F2P.

Yes human is the best ftp race for a wisdom-based fvs. Fvs is a feat-starved class so the extra feat can translate into 1 dc if you want the dc.

[axel15810]

Thoughts on tiefling vs. dragonborn for the CHA build?

Never played either race before, wanted to try one for the hardcore server.

[Arkadios]

Thoughts on tiefling vs. dragonborn for the CHA build?

Never played either race before, wanted to try one for the hardcore server.

One of my alts is currently a dragonborn version of this, I'd say the dragonborn is the better choice due to extra DC, and the free breath attack which actually isn't too bad.

The tiefling enhancements also focus on fire, which is actually not that common for a divine caster.

But the difference is very small, so I guess it's mostly up to you.

[slarden]

One of my alts is currently a dragonborn version of this, I'd say the dragonborn is the better choice due to extra DC, and the free breath attack which actually isn't too bad.

The tiefling enhancements also focus on fire, which is actually not that common for a divine caster.

But the difference is very small, so I guess it's mostly up to you.

Agreed, I really like dragonborn for charisma and now with magister you can get a higher dc with a charisma build.

Thoughts on tiefling vs. dragonborn for the CHA build?

Never played either race before, wanted to try one for the hardcore server.

For the hardcore server I would definitely go with dragonborn. The breath weapon is good dps at lower levels and has some better survivability options (hamp, etc.). Dragonborn charisma fvs in magister has an amazing dc potential. I haven't updated the build with the latest changes but obviously dragonborn char fvs is one of the biggest winners.