BlackRazor could be better.......

[Rykka]

Blackrazor is listed as a "sword" but in first edition AD&D the DM would roll percentile dice to determine sword types.

Excerpt from the AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide:
Treasure (Random Determination)
Table III G SWORDS

"Note: 70% of swords are longswords, 2% are broadswords, 5% are short
(small) swords, 4% are bastard swords, 1% are two-handed swords."

The chance for "Blackrazor" to ever be a Bastard Sword was very slim.

Later Editions specifically listed the sword as a "Greatsword."

Excerpt from the 3.5e "Arms and Equipment Guide":

"Blackrazor is a +3 greatsword
whose blade resembles a
piece of the night sky studded with strange stars. It
has the ability to detect living creatures within a 60-
foot radius; this works in a similar fashion to the
detect thoughts spell, but it can determine only the presence
or absence of creatures."


Blackrazor (5E):

Weapon (greatsword), legendary (requires attunement by a creature of non-lawful alignment)

Yup. Most magic swords were Longswords in AD&D when GMs rolled randomly. Which is why most PCs took Longsword proficiency if they could, even though Bastard Sword and Two Handed Sword were better weapons.

I was just pointing out that the weapon could be justified to be any type of sword based on it's history. It doesn't really bother me that it's a Greatsword except that vanilla statted Greatswords are the weakest 2HD weapon.

My opinion is that the WPM stuff should have been raid weapons earned in a raid though. As they are regular quest loot it's hard to justify asking for them to be uberweapons.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Yup. Most magic swords were Longswords in AD&D when GMs rolled randomly. Which is why most PCs took Longsword proficiency if they could, even though Bastard Sword and Two Handed Sword were better weapons.

I was just pointing out that the weapon could be justified to be any type of sword based on it's history. It doesn't really bother me that it's a Greatsword except that vanilla statted Greatswords are the weakest 2HD weapon.

My opinion is that the WPM stuff should have been raid weapons earned in a raid though. As they are regular quest loot it's hard to justify asking for them to be uberweapons.

They did not yet release the sentient gems for Blackrazor, if we are lucky they will at least create a raid to upgrade blackrazor.......

[Annex]

Oh, such sorrow and woe, seeing mighty Stormbringer, vanquisher of Gods and Demons, laid low and manifest in such feeble incarnation.

Vexa the Dagger: Hey. Are you related to Stormbringer?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Uhh, yeah.

Vexa the Dagger: Whoa. So you can drink souls and vanquish Gods and stuff?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Well, sort of.

Vexa the Dagger: What do you mean?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: I occasionally auto-kill trash monsters.

Vexa the Dagger: Stormbringer can suck the soul out of a victim from a mere cut.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Yes, yes. I know.

Vexa the Dagger: Do you give your wielder demonic vigor?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: I sometimes bestow a couple hit points.

Vexa the Dagger: Stormbringer can turn a man suffering from near fatal injuries into an unstoppable warrior.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Yes, yes. I know. *sigh*

Vexa the Dagger: Can you protect your wielder from the most vile black magiks?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Sort of. I grant fear immunity and stuff.

Vexa the Dagger: Stormbringer can shatter any spell that would hamper his wielder, even those woven by Gods.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: I _know_.

Vexa the Dagger: Can you kill a God or vanquish a Demon Lord?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: _No_. Can _you_?

Vexa the Dagger: Sure.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: What?

Vexa the Dagger: I can totally do that.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: You can not.

Vexa the Dagger: I sure can! I can drain the immortality from Gods and slay them. I can break the magiks that bind Demon Lords to reality and annihilate them from existence. I can even see and cut the threads of Fate, changing the very nature of reality. I am a total Mary Sue. My author is a doll. She constantly has me do all sorts of crazy awesome stuff.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Oh bloody hell.

Vexa the Dagger: Yeah. It's fun being a Deus Ex Machina. Hey. Don't feel so bad. I'm sure someone will use you.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: I am going to get fed to a Kobold Gem.

Vexa the Dagger: Yeah. Probably.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: *begins to cry*

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

Oh, such sorrow and woe, seeing mighty Stormbringer, vanquisher of Gods and Demons, laid low and manifest in such feeble incarnation.

Vexa the Dagger: Hey. Are you related to Stormbringer?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Uhh, yeah.

Vexa the Dagger: Whoa. So you can drink souls and vanquish Gods and stuff?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Well, sort of.

Vexa the Dagger: What do you mean?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: I occasionally auto-kill trash monsters.

Vexa the Dagger: Stormbringer can suck the soul out of a victim from a mere cut.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Yes, yes. I know.

Vexa the Dagger: Do you give your wielder demonic vigor?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: I sometimes bestow a couple hit points.

Vexa the Dagger: Stormbringer can turn a man suffering from near fatal injuries into an unstoppable warrior.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Yes, yes. I know. *sigh*

Vexa the Dagger: Can you protect your wielder from the most vile black magiks?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Sort of. I grant fear immunity and stuff.

Vexa the Dagger: Stormbringer can shatter any spell that would hamper his wielder, even those woven by Gods.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: I _know_.

Vexa the Dagger: Can you kill a God or vanquish a Demon Lord?

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: _No_. Can _you_?

Vexa the Dagger: Sure.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: What?

Vexa the Dagger: I can totally do that.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: You can not.

Vexa the Dagger: I sure can! I can drain the immortality from Gods and slay them. I can break the magiks that bind Demon Lords to reality and annihilate them from existence. I can even see and cut the threads of Fate, changing the very nature of reality. I am a total Mary Sue. My author is a doll. She constantly has me do all sorts of crazy awesome stuff.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: Oh bloody hell.

Vexa the Dagger: Yeah. It's fun being a Deus Ex Machina. Hey. Don't feel so bad. I'm sure someone will use you.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: I am going to get fed to a Kobold Gem.

Vexa the Dagger: Yeah. Probably.

Blackrazor the Somewhat Great Sword: *begins to cry*

Sad, but true.......

Post was hilarious but a reflection of the sad reality that is the sad mess Blackrazor has become.....

White Plume Mountain should include a raid for upgrading those Iconic weapons so they are not such a disappointment........

[edrein]

Sad, but true.......

Post was hilarious but a reflection of the sad reality that is the sad mess Blackrazor has become.....

White Plume Mountain should include a raid for upgrading those Iconic weapons so they are not such a disappointment........

To me Whelm is a spot on; it's as close to the original weapon design as can be, while still being useful in DDO. Wave is... Well, Wave is certainly an adaption, and while I think it should have been a melee staff posing as a trident with all of the appropriate melee bells and whistles I'll accept the caster-stick iteration. Blackrazor is a hot mess. It's only got the psychic ward going for it from both an adaption standpoint and from an useful standpoint.

[Aelonwy]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Annex again.

[Arkat]

To me Whelm is a spot on; it's as close to the original weapon design as can be, while still being useful in DDO.

Whelm is great from a D&D translation to DDO point of view.

Blackrazor...isn't.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

To me Whelm is a spot on; it's as close to the original weapon design as can be, while still being useful in DDO. Wave is... Well, Wave is certainly an adaption, and while I think it should have been a melee staff posing as a trident with all of the appropriate melee bells and whistles I'll accept the caster-stick iteration. Blackrazor is a hot mess. It's only got the psychic ward going for it from both an adaption standpoint and from an useful standpoint.

BlackRazor Having the following would make more sense......

1-Improved Cursespewing

2-Nightmares

3-Psychic Ward

4-BlackRazor's Hunger: On vorpal hit you gain plus 1 Melee power and plus 1% increased speed bonus to attack and running speed that stacks with all other sources of attack speed and running speed), this can retain a stable stack up to 30 times and upon reaching 31 charges it is dispersed and you are healed by 1d2 per character level, and benefit from the effects of the Lesser Restoration spell.

[DagazUlf]

"The 1979 Advanced Dungeons & Dragons adventure module White Plume Mountain, written by Lawrence Schick and published by TSR, featured a magical sword called Blackrazor, a black-bladed vampiric blade created from an extra-dimensional being. Schick later said that he was "a little embarrassed to this day by Blackrazor, inasmuch as it's such a blatant rip-off of Elric's Stormbringer; I would not have put it into the scenario if I ever thought it might be published."

From the Wiki Entry...

That said, this DDO incarnation is really a let-down for me. Just genericized into checklist style item that does happen to have some really, really awesome graphics. At least it has the graphics, right? Hmmmmmpf.

[Lokeal_The_Flame]

From the Wiki Entry...

That said, this DDO incarnation is really a let-down for me. Just genericized into checklist style item that does happen to have some really, really awesome graphics. At least it has the graphics, right? Hmmmmmpf.

Luckily, the Devs have announced the intention to eventually release a raid for upgrading it..... hopefully the upgrade will make it truer to the source.

[Duhboy]

Luckily, the Devs have announced the intention to eventually release a raid for upgrading it..... hopefully the upgrade will make it truer to the source.

The stealer of souls part of the sword doesn't even work

[Lynnabel]

The stealer of souls part of the sword doesn't even work

Mind elaborating? The on-kill proc does a level compare (the same way Relentless Fury works) so it won't eat anything too far below you. If you find it isn't eating anything and you're in a level appropriate quest, please let us know so we can fix it!

[brian14]

True. I missed that.

I'd agree that one could argue it was up to the DM what kind of sword it actually was. Hindsight lasting almost 30 years, however, shows us the fact that from 2nd Edition to 5th Edition it's been a Two-Handed Sword or a Greatsword. The illustration on the back cover of the actual 1st Edition module has also led me to believe it's always been a Greatsword...

I never realized it before, but the guy holding Blackrazor also looks suspiciously like Elric of Menibone. At least from the neck up.

[JOTMON]

Mind elaborating? The on-kill proc does a level compare (the same way Relentless Fury works) so it won't eat anything too far below you. If you find it isn't eating anything and you're in a level appropriate quest, please let us know so we can fix it!

why bother.. you gave us a worthless knockoff of what blackrazor should have been.

[Arkat]

I never realized it before, but the guy holding Blackrazor also looks suspiciously like Elric of Menibone. At least from the neck up.

Blackrazor has always been thought to have been modeled after Stormbringer or Mournblade, Stormbringer's twin.

[brian14]

Blackrazor has always been thought to have been modeled after Stormbringer or Mournblade, Stormbringer's twin.

Well, it goes beyond "always been thought". Lawrence Schick actually admitted he made Blackrazor "a blatant rip-off of Elric's Stormbringer".

http://grognardia.blogspot.com/2009/...ce-schick.html

[Paladin_of_Power]

Luckily, the Devs have announced the intention to eventually release a raid for upgrading it..... hopefully the upgrade will make it truer to the source.

We'll see if that happens or if it's just another case of kicking the can down the road

[Hobgoblin]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Annex again.


how much rep do i have to spread before we give sophie her due?!@?