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    Hi. What are some of the best bows for a level 30 and where do I get them ?

    I don't plan on raiding much. If possible, are there some good bows I can get some other ways ?

    Otherwise if nothing is available without raiding, which raids ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elindel22 View Post
    Hi. What are some of the best bows for a level 30 and where do I get them ?

    I don't plan on raiding much. If possible, are there some good bows I can get some other ways ?

    Otherwise if nothing is available without raiding, which raids ?

    Thanks
    I use the morninglord and nightmother bows from Ravenloft. I don't raid either, and they have served me well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elindel22 View Post
    Hi. What are some of the best bows for a level 30 and where do I get them ?

    I don't plan on raiding much. If possible, are there some good bows I can get some other ways ?

    Otherwise if nothing is available without raiding, which raids ?

    Thanks
    Epic Sapphire Sting from Temple of Elemental Evil is really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elindel22 View Post
    Hi. What are some of the best bows for a level 30 and where do I get them ?

    I don't plan on raiding much. If possible, are there some good bows I can get some other ways ?

    Otherwise if nothing is available without raiding, which raids ?

    Thanks
    Currently, the best bow in the game is Epic Sapphire Sting. It offers 25% Ranged Alacrity, which is the highest source of Ranged Alacrity in the game, as well as a greatly improved critical profile (from 20/x3 to 18-20/x3).

    What's even better is that it isn't a raid weapon. It drops in Temple of Elemental Evil Pt 1 and Pt 2 in Rare Encounter chests, End chests and the Pyramid chest in Pt 2. I would recommend either farming for rares in the first floor of Pt1, or running to the pyramid chest of Pt2 then recalling and resetting.

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    Legendary Hunter of the Wilds is probably the best non-crafted/non-raid bow. However, it's a short bow rather than a long bow. As a result, it won't work with certain builds (notably divine-based arcane archers).

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    Depends on what you want to do. For a cc build (paralyze) you cannot go wrong with a GS Salt bow for things that either cannot be paralyzed or have high saves, etc... The slow stacks with other slowness, so along with pin and legshot, it gets pretty ridiculous. Other than that, the some of the other ones mentioned.

    The newest raid bow, Void, the Endless Cold, is sort of hidden gem. At first look, I said could have been a lot better considering what some of the other weapons do in terms of damage, but if you build towards cold elemental damage, the damage from cold can get up there pretty quick... like a lot of damage... for both the tick and the straight damage per hit. Two augment slots and the arrow clickie can add some interesting effects as well. I initially slammed this bow as nothing more than a clickie for arrows, but I tried building towards cold and have since changed my opinion.

    Other than that, you can get some useful effects from thuderforged still as well. I know most say Epic Sapphire Sting, but it is just so common I find myself not using it because it does not do anything special as far as effects. It is a great bow and definitely does a lot of things well....for a vanilla build. That being said, in my opinion, you can get more out of other options if you build to their strengths.]

    My pure ranger is a paralyze / doubleshot build and I use GS Salt and Void pretty much exclusively.

    All that being said, bows in general are weak compared to other popular ranged martial damage builds such as shuriken, gxbows, and repeaters. Despite trying to drum up support on the forums and player's council, I don't think they will get any help anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barecm View Post
    For a cc build (paralyze) you cannot go wrong with a GS Salt bow

    The newest raid bow, Void, the Endless Cold, is sort of hidden gem.but if you build towards cold elemental damage, the damage from cold can get up there pretty quick... like a lot of damage... for both the tick and the straight damage per hit.

    1. Legendary or regular green steel bow?

    2. Are you saying that the damage from Void bow scales based on your spellpower?

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    I did some weapon comparisons on a number of the best endgame bows. You can find it here.

    Personally; I use the E Sapphire Sting because it has competitive damage with the other best bows in most/all situations, and it's ML 26 instead of ML 29. I TR my archer a fair amount, and that extra 3 levels of usefulness is nice.

    For a newer player who hasn't done much grind; the free bow from ravenloft is quite decent for how easy it is to get.

    The post doesn't include Hunter of the Wilds because it wasn't available back then. My initial reaction is that the bow sucks (due to being a shortbow); but looking a little more into the math makes me think it will put out very similar numbers to Void; except without all the bells and whistles of the raid bow. (7[1d6+2] ~= 5[1d8+3], no cold vulnerability, no cold DoT on hit etc). But on the other hand it does have elasticity; which is the next best thing to an improved critical profile; which the other new bows sorely lack. It'd be interesting to update my post to include the new bow as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvera View Post
    I did some weapon comparisons on a number of the best endgame bows. You can find it here.

    Personally; I use the E Sapphire Sting because it has competitive damage with the other best bows in most/all situations, and it's ML 26 instead of ML 29. I TR my archer a fair amount, and that extra 3 levels of usefulness is nice.

    For a newer player who hasn't done much grind; the free bow from ravenloft is quite decent for how easy it is to get.

    The post doesn't include Hunter of the Wilds because it wasn't available back then. My initial reaction is that the bow sucks (due to being a shortbow); but looking a little more into the math makes me think it will put out very similar numbers to Void; except without all the bells and whistles of the raid bow. (7[1d6+2] ~= 5[1d8+3], no cold vulnerability, no cold DoT on hit etc). But on the other hand it does have elasticity; which is the next best thing to an improved critical profile; which the other new bows sorely lack. It'd be interesting to update my post to include the new bow as well.
    Yes the Ravenloft legendary bow is quite nice for someone like me who does not
    really want to raid.

    But why do you say it’s free ?

    Don’t you have to grind like 80 vistani totems
    to get it ?

    That’s a huge amount of legendary quests, isn’t it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elindel22 View Post
    Yes the Ravenloft legendary bow is quite nice for someone like me who does not
    really want to raid.

    But why do you say it’s free ?

    Don’t you have to grind like 80 vistani totems
    to get it ?

    That’s a huge amount of legendary quests, isn’t it ?
    Are we talking the freebie L29 weapon you get once per life just by completing Enter the Mist and then taking a short wilderness walk to the carriage/wagon?
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    In my opinion there isn't a "Bow that Rules them All"

    I find the "golf bag" approach is the better way to go...

    1. Thunderforged - Crafting to Tier 1 does not need items from raids. Tier 2 it is possible to get items needed from AH. Tier 3 does need raiding
    2. Legendary Green Steel - There are many options. Taylor this to fill the "hole" be it a lean towards DPS, CC or Defense
    3. Ravenloft Morninglord - No raiding required
    4. Ravenloft Nightmother - No raiding required
    5. Cannieth Crafted - This can provide Niche. Source of Alchemical Wisdom for AA DCs. Source of the Crystal Material for DR Bypass (IE Quori)
    6. Pinion - Raid loot (was available via a raiders box) - Does require raiding to upgrade Caught in the Web or Fall of Truth for COMMS - Also can be sentient gemmed for a level 23 weapon.
    7. Random loot Bow with a unique effect you don't have readily available

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    Are we talking the freebie L29 weapon you get once per life just by completing Enter the Mist and then taking a short wilderness walk to the carriage/wagon?
    The Morninglord one is the "free" one. Nightmother requires turning in those Vistani items you get in the chest in Quests/Raids/Wilderness/Saga reward area

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elindel22 View Post
    But why do you say it’s free ?

    Don’t you have to grind like 80 vistani totems
    to get it ?
    Nope; all you have to do is complete the first quest in ravenloft. You don't even have to do it on a hard difficulty. And it's pretty much just walking to the end and getting xp. You can probably run it on casual and finish it in less then 5 minutes. Then, walk out into the ravenloft wilderness and the first NPC you see will give you a weapon and a sentient gem.

    That's why I call it free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvera View Post
    Nope; all you have to do is complete the first quest in ravenloft. You don't even have to do it on a hard difficulty. And it's pretty much just walking to the end and getting xp. You can probably run it on casual and finish it in less then 5 minutes. Then, walk out into the ravenloft wilderness and the first NPC you see will give you a weapon and a sentient gem.

    That's why I call it free.
    I did the Into the Mist quest in Ravenloft when I was level 10.

    Now I am level 18. I just went to the Smith NPC who is supposed to give the free bow, and when I try to access him, he just says some meaningless stuff.

    No free bow. Or anything else.

    Do I have to be level 29 or something ?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elindel22 View Post
    I did the Into the Mist quest in Ravenloft when I was level 10.

    Now I am level 18. I just went to the Smith NPC who is supposed to give the free bow, and when I try to access him, he just says some meaningless stuff.

    No free bow. Or anything else.

    Do I have to be level 29 or something ?

    Thanks
    You get a L10 weapon when you run the heroic version and a L29 weapon when you run the epic version of Into the Mist and then enter the Barovian wilderness. You only get one of each per life, so is it possible you already chose a heroic L10 weapon this life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    You get a L10 weapon when you run the heroic version and a L29 weapon when you run the epic version of Into the Mist and then enter the Barovian wilderness. You only get one of each per life, so is it possible you already chose a heroic L10 weapon this life?
    Thanks.

    But I thought the only options you had for Ravenloft were
    heroic and legendary. Didn’t know there was an epic version.

    Is there one ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elindel22 View Post
    Thanks.

    But I thought the only options you had for Ravenloft were
    heroic and legendary. Didn’t know there was an epic version.

    Is there one ?
    Just poor wording on my part, Legendary is correct. I just meant "epic" as in your character has to be L20-30.
    My take on "the grind": https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6220972

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elindel22 View Post
    Thanks.

    But I thought the only options you had for Ravenloft were
    heroic and legendary. Didn’t know there was an epic version.

    Is there one ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    Just poor wording on my part, Legendary is correct. I just meant "epic" as in your character has to be L20-30.
    Keeping in mind that All Legendary Quests are Epic, but not all Epics are Legendary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindos View Post
    1. Legendary or regular green steel bow?

    2. Are you saying that the damage from Void bow scales based on your spellpower?


    Very delayed response sorry...

    1 - Legendary Salt. Causes slowness that stacks
    2 - Not directly for the bow damage. You utilize the vulnerability proc on the bow and build your cold element from AA tree (an imbue) which does gain damage from spell power.

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