Advice about pure monk thrower

[elhay12345]

Hello there,
next life my main gonna be completionst and i dicide on going a pure monk thrower.
i have a hybrid right now and i like it a lot. the speed, damage and Survivability are good and he was ony in his first life. so i would very much like to try it on a pure monk


not sure ill go LD because already got 3 past lifes there and ill myabe try shridi for the primal past life

i have 81 ap

41 to ninja spy

12 to harpers (KTA + 2 DEX)

8 to vistani (haste mostly, not sure yet if will twist haste boost) can put 4 more for 3 prr and 3 mrr and 1 dex.
can dump for more points to race or harper

maybe 1 point to shainto (heal amp) and 4 to henshin (way of patient tortoise)

either way i got 16-20 at last to spend. and i would like to put then in race tree and that means race selcetion is pretty importent for the build.

bare in my that my gear or past lifes (including epics) are not opimal so i would like to make the best both dsp and Survivability(i do want him to be reaper ready)

feat wise regarding the races - i need about 9 10 so the extra feat is not a must but nice to have.

feats ill use for sure
PBS
PS
IPS
QUICK DRAW
completionst
shurikan experties
precession
IC THROWN
rapid shot
feats ill may use (non are must to have):
dodge
tooughness
deflect arrows
mobilty (for exta dodge)

build will need a lot of abilites.
DEX for dps and extra shurikans throw
WISf or Survivability and the boost in range power when using 10k stars
CON for Survivability
INT for extra damage (KTA)
CHA just enough for umd
i got +6 tomes for all

races who i think best for the build (i got all races in game including iconics)
DROW (20 ap spend)
+ 4 dex + 2int
good spell resist
venom bldade 1d8 damage
+4 to hit and damage with shurikans
+1 free feat (shurikan expetrise)
CONS
- 2 con

ELF (16 spend)
lower ap cost
+4 DEX
+10% TO HIT
+ POINT BLANK RAMGE (good for SA in range)
+3 dodge
+3 doubleshoot
CONS
-2 con
- no extra feat

Aasmiar (20 ap spend)
+4 WIS
+ 2 dodge
+ 60 healing amp
+ great self heal (7 lay on hands that good with wis. reganarte 1 every 3 min)
+ free feat (quick draw) from tree
+ protector bond. +3 saving, 10% hp,10 prr and 10 mrr
+ can save twist of fate (if removing caccon)
CONS
-4 DEX the main dps of build
- dps less then others

Half Elf (20-24 cost)
+ very versatily. can use human or elf when need in life (gonna do a few epic lifes)
+2 DEX
+ option to extra action boost (share cooldown, mostly for surges when haste is out)
+40 heal amp
+ 3d6 sneak attack (rouge dilettante) or better healing when i need
+3 dex and 3 wis when any action boost is on (action surge)
CONS
- 2 DEX (can be overcome with action surge is on but need
highter AP cost (but the extra 4 can easly come of shainto and henshin )
need good action boost managment vs enimies because of action surges
- no extra feat


races that are just ok :
human (+60 heal amp, extra feat but lower stats and highter Sneak attack cost) half helf seems batter in most ways
halfing (+ 4save throws, +4 dex,small (great for IPS), + 3SA,no real down only the feat. but seems 'just' ok)

i think in terms of dps
drow halfing and elf are best (each got other dps addons, with drow just a bit batter )
half elf not far behind (but take extra care when playing)
then human and last Aasmiar.

in therm of Survivability :
Aasmiar is by far the best.
helf elf and human and halfing
last two are drow and elf

i tend to choose between half elf and Aasmiar as i dont like to die and mostly my healing amp and devotion spell power arent that good. My prr and mrr and desplsment and dodge arent high enough as well.
elf and drow right after for the dps and the max dex bonus i can get
halfing and human dont seems to worth it.

i never really played with any of the races except human and halfing so hope i didnt miss anything

anyway, could use your adivce on race choosing.
if u have other advice or question regarding the build you are welcome to comment as well

[Vish]

Heyas,
I just did a pure thrower on a drow
Check out Sumatra, spite of ravenloft, over in monk forum

If it was my choice I would go aasimar for the loh,
But as a shuri you don't get into melee,
So damage is low, and cocoon is good enough for EE
So any race will do
My only real advice is not to level it as a shuri
Shuri best to LR into at 30,
Because they are a pain to level, very underwhelming until you get to 30
But great build at 30, easy to play

[unbongwah]

8 to vistani (haste mostly, not sure yet if will twist haste boost) can put 4 more for 3 prr and 3 mrr and 1 dex.

3 more APs gets you free Quickdraw (which saves a feat) and +5% Doubleshot. That seems like a no-brainer if you're investing VKF anyway. Maybe take Fan of Knives too?

[elhay12345]

Heyas,
I just did a pure thrower on a drow
Check out Sumatra, spite of ravenloft, over in monk forum

If it was my choice I would go aasimar for the loh,
But as a shuri you don't get into melee,
So damage is low, and cocoon is good enough for EE
So any race will do
My only real advice is not to level it as a shuri
Shuri best to LR into at 30,
Because they are a pain to level, very underwhelming until you get to 30
But great build at 30, easy to play

hey ty,
i did look at your post but your layout is for MP shuri and now its not an option.
my first lifer shuri did good dps on repaer but got too much agro and becuse of that die sometimes. thats my main concern with the build

[elhay12345]

3 more APs gets you free Quickdraw (which saves a feat) and +5% Doubleshot. That seems like a no-brainer if you're investing VKF anyway. Maybe take Fan of Knives too?

you are right. i missed that quick draw and 5 soubleshot
fan of knife was an option too. definitly now worth it more to get higher ap on the tree

that means Aasimar is a bit less attractive as i was gonna take with him the quick draw feat

[GeoffWatson]

You'll want 8 in Henshin for Contemplation (passive Ki generation).
You could get 11 for Sounding Staff (Quickdraw).

[elhay12345]

You'll want 8 in Henshin for Contemplation (passive Ki generation).
You could get 11 for Sounding Staff (Quickdraw).

Didnt know i even need it. Was gonna use ki juat for 10k and shadow veil. What else is worth it?
Also was thinkinh doing ocean stance when facing high level contant for dodge and saves.

[GeoffWatson]

Didnt know i even need it. Was gonna use ki juat for 10k and shadow veil. What else is worth it?
Also was thinkinh doing ocean stance when facing high level contant for dodge and saves.

Where else are you getting passive ki generation?

[elhay12345]

Where else are you getting passive ki generation?

I just now found out pire monks thrower don't generate ki on hit, has kensi thrower. Was playing melee monks all the time so didn't notice.

Well my options are either twist Enlightenment, using ocean stance all the time or put that 8 ap points.

I don't like either of the options but the 8 ap way seems the best.

Thanks for the input

[unbongwah]

Where else are you getting passive ki generation?

Ocean Stance (master/GM) and Enlightenment (tier-1 GMoF). You can also use Ninja's Stealthy enhancement to recharge ki between fights.

With the nerf to Weapon Versatility, a pure monk thrower build could use, say, 41 Ninja / 8 Henshin (Contemplation) / 13 VKF (cores + Haste Boost + Fan of Knives) / 8 Harper (KtA) to start, leaving 10 APs (+racials) free for other things.

[elhay12345]

Where else are you getting passive ki generation?

Ocean Stance (master/GM) and Enlightenment (tier-1 GMoF). You can also use Ninja's Stealthy enhancement to recharge ki between fights.

With the nerf to Weapon Versatility, a pure monk thrower build could use, say, 41 Ninja / 8 Henshin (Contemplation) / 13 VKF (cores + Haste Boost + Fan of Knives) / 8 Harper (KtA) to start, leaving 10 APs (+racials) free for other things.

Yeah thats looks its gonna be the ap split. Now just to choose race

[Maelodic]

Yeah thats looks its gonna be the ap split. Now just to choose race

I'd recommend a short race, probably halfling, as ips will hit critters and other short monsters compared to taller races. It's not always useful but you'll be happy to have it when it is.