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    Default Medistick 15 Cleric / 5 Rogue

    While testing build 1.0.0.32 of Maetrim's DDO Builder I came up with a free2play build:

    Medistick - a quarterstaff & dart healing trapper - follower of Aureon with Animal domain

    Goals were to cover two support tasks in the party, leaving DPS and tanking/CC to others.
    Feats are not in proper order yet, and enhancements/destinies are still undecided as well.
    Wisdom boosting gear/potions for casting can be hoarded as you level up the character.

    Do you think it can hold its own while solo leveling and in Reaper difficulty parties later?
    Adjustments are most welcome, since I'm quite new to DDO character building. Thanks!

    Code:
         Start Tome Final
    Str:    16    0    23      HP:        730      AC: 4294967295 (bugged?)
    Dex:     8    0     8      PRR:         0
    Con:    12    0    12      MRR:         0      +Healing Amp:    20
    Int:    14    0    14      Dodge:    1/25      -Healing Amp:     0
    Wis:    10    0    10      Fort:       0%      Repair Amp:       0
    Cha:    14    0    14      SR:          0      BAB:             19
    
    Saves:
    Fortitude:         16
    Will:              19      Race: Human                Alignment: Neutral
    Reflex:            20
    
    Level Class            Feats
      1   Rogue(1)         Standard: Power Attack, Human Bonus: Cleave
      2   Cleric(1)        Follower of Faith: Follower of Aureon
      3   Cleric(2)        Standard: Brutal Throw, Domain: Animal Domain Tier I
      4   Cleric(3)        Strength: +1 Level up
      5   Rogue(2)         
      6   Cleric(4)        Standard: Great Cleave
      7   Cleric(5)        Domain Feat: Animal Domain Tier II
      8   Cleric(6)        Deity: Aureon's Instruction, Strength: +1 Level up
      9   Cleric(7)        Standard: Two Handed Fighting
     10   Rogue(3)         
     11   Cleric(8)        
     12   Cleric(9)        Standard: Improved Two Handed Fighting, Domain Feat: Animal Domain Tier III, Strength: +1 Level up
     13   Cleric(10)       
     14   Cleric(11)       
     15   Rogue(4)         Standard: Greater Two Handed Fighting
     16   Cleric(12)       Strength: +1 Level up
     17   Cleric(13)       
     18   Cleric(14)       Standard: Quicken Spell, Domain Feat: Animal Domain Tier IV
     19   Cleric(15)       
     20   Rogue(5)         Strength: +1 Level up
     21   Epic(1)          Epic Feat: Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
     22   Epic(2)          
     23   Epic(3)          
     24   Epic(4)          Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical, Strength: +1 Level up
     25   Epic(5)          
     26   Epic(6)          Epic Destiny Feat: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
     27   Epic(7)          Epic Feat: Intensify Spell
     28   Epic(8)          Epic Destiny Feat: Epic Spell Power: Positive, Strength: +1 Level up
     29   Epic(9)          Epic Destiny Feat: Fount of Life
     30   Epic(10)         Epic Feat: Empower Healing Spell, Legendary: Scion of Celestia
    
    
    Skill Name       01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20  Total Buffed
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Balance           4                                                             4.0   13.0
    Bluff                                                                           0.0   12.0
    Concentration                                                                   0.0   11.0
    Diplomacy                                                                       0.0   12.0
    Disable Device    4           4              5              5              5   23.0   35.0
    Haggle            4                                                             4.0   16.0
    Heal              2  3  1  1     2  1  1  1     1  2  1  1     1  2  1  1      22.0   32.0
    Hide                                                                            0.0    9.0
    Intimidate                                                                      0.0   12.0
    Jump                                                                            0.0   16.0
    Listen                                                                          0.0   17.5
    Move Silently                                                                   0.0    9.0
    Open Lock         4                                                             4.0   13.0
    Perform           1                                                             1.0   13.0
    Repair            4                                                             4.0   16.0
    Search            4           4  1  1        3              5              5   23.0   35.0
    Spell Craft                                                                     0.0   12.0
    Spot              4  1  1  1  1  ½  1  1     1  2 1½           2 1½            18.5   36.0
    Swim              4                                                             4.0   20.0
    Tumble            2                                                             2.0   11.0
    Use Magic Device  4     1  1  2        1  2  2        2  2  1        2  2  1   23.0   35.0
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Skill Points     44  5  5  5 11  5  5  5  5 11  5  5  5  5 11  5  5  5  5 11
    Last edited by mikhan3; 04-22-2018 at 11:23 AM.

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    I'm not completely convinced. There are several factors working against it.
    Q-staves make for poor caster weapons since dual wielding allows you to fit twice the number of spell power and lore onto your weapons. They also make for fairly poor melee weapons unless you couple them with great melee power (may the Henshin rest in peace until the day it returns to us as a useful tree) or great sneak attack damage. This build gets neither of those. It'll also be until level 20 before you can take the tier 5 TA enhancement that gives you increased critical threat range and multiplier, and taking that enhancement locks you out of the healing aura. Furthermore, many TA enhancements use dexterity (which you're dumping) and rogue level to determine their DC.
    Sure, all else being equal, a q-staff will allow you to whack things harder than you could with a dagger, but you said you were going to leave dps to others anyway. That being so, I'd take things a bit further.

    First, I'd follow Olladra or the Sovereign Host instead. They'll give you access to a panic button that heals someone to full, and in the case of SH removes all debuffs. Second, I'd drop Brutal Throw, the only reason to throw something is to hit a switch, unless you go all in, but then you're a monk with shuriken. I'd also drop the cleaves. That means we can move improved critical into the heroic levels, and take Empower Heal. Empower Heal can be applied to the Positive Energy Burst, PE Aura, and Rejuvenation Cocoon. Also to any SLAs of healing spells you might get.
    If we stick with sticks I'd lean towards keeping the THF feats and rely on glancing blows for damage instead of cleaving.
    I'd only put 13 AP into Mechanic, and none into the other rogue trees (maybe some cheap sneak attack dice from assassin depending on what's left over, but that's really it then). Mechanic Core 1, Tier 1 Mechanics and Awareness, Tier 2 Wand & Scroll Mastery, and Tier 3 UMD.
    EN and possibly EH should be doable with a q-staff, but if grouping on EE or reaper with this build, I think I'd keep a large shield handy and wield that together with a wand of cure critical wounds.
    Animal Domain looks solid for staying alive with the extra hitpoints.
    The additional epic feat we can now afford after dropping the cleaves and brutal throw should probably be one of "Master of X" or Wellspring of Power. More spell points and a little better casting.

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    Welcome to the game, and the fun, confoozling world of DDO character design!

    DDO is not D&D - at least, not any "edition" that you've ever seen before. Just as you can't build a workable 3.5 character while only understanding the AD&D rules set, you can't design a solid DDO build without understanding "Dungeons and Dragons DDO-edition". There are several tweaks that were made to accommodate the MMORP thing, but the biggest diff is Enhancements. Enhancements specialize and customize a character, and two otherwise "identical" builds with different enhancements can be as diff as night and day. Enhancements are at least as important as Feats and Class special abilities for designing a successful character, and dovetailing them into a build is both an art and a challenge.

    o http://ddowiki.com/page/Enhancements

    Take a look at some similar builds, and the diff ways those designers have used enhancements:

    o https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5759353
    Last edited by C-Dog; 04-22-2018 at 03:21 PM.

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    Default Medistring 15 Cleric / 3 Rogue / 2 Ranger

    Had a few crashes so had to forum export manually, but here's a different free2play build:

    Medistring - a longbow & kukri healing trapper - follower of Olladra with Animal domain

    I dip Assassin for a DEX Kukri backup weapon, then Deepwood Stalker for DEX damage.
    Elf later on for Arcane Archer, filling the gaps with Radiant Servant before the epic levels.

    Is this better you think? Perhaps Mechanic is useful for great crossbows in early levels?
    And thanks for the adjustments/links/suggestions, together with ddowiki they helped a lot!
    Enhancements and Epic Destinies certainly add a lot to the build, compared to 3.5ed D&D.

    Code:
         Start Tome Final
    Str:     8    0     8      HP:       1000      AC: 27
    Dex:    16    0    23      PRR:        10
    Con:    12    0    12      MRR:         0      +Healing Amp:    40
    Int:    16    0    16      Dodge:    0/25      -Healing Amp:     0
    Wis:    14    0    14      Fort:      40%      Repair Amp:       0
    Cha:     8    0     8      SR:          0      BAB:             20
    
    Saves:
    Fortitude:         22
    Will:              17      Race: Elf                  Alignment: Neutral
    Reflex:            33
    
    Level Class            Feats
      1   Rogue(1)         Point Blank Shot
      2   Cleric(1)        Follower of Olladra
      3   Cleric(2)        Precise Shot, Animal Domain Tier I
      4   Cleric(3)   DEX  
      5   Ranger(1)        Favored Enemy: Undead
      6   Cleric(4)        Empower Healing Spell
      7   Cleric(5)        Animal Domain Tier II
      8   Cleric(6)   DEX  Luck of Olladra
      9   Cleric(7)        Quicken Spell
     10   Ranger(2)        
     11   Cleric(8)        
     12   Cleric(9)   DEX  Manyshot, Animal Domain Tier III
     13   Cleric(10)       
     14   Cleric(11)       
     15   Rogue(2)         Improved Precise Shot
     16   Cleric(12)  DEX  
     17   Cleric(13)       
     18   Cleric(14)       Improved Critical: Ranged, Animal Domain Tier IV
     19   Cleric(15)       
     20   Rogue(3)    DEX  
     21   Epic(1)          Combat Archery
     22   Epic(2)          
     23   Epic(3)          
     24   Epic(4)     DEX  Overwhelming Critical
     25   Epic(5)          
     26   Epic(6)          Epic Spell Power: Positive
     27   Epic(7)          Intensify Spell
     28   Epic(8)     DEX  Doubleshot
     29   Epic(9)          Fount of Life
     30   Epic(10)         Wellspring of Power, Scion of the Feywild
    
    
    Skill Name       01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20  Total Buffed
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Balance           4                                                             4.0   21.0
    Bluff                                                                           0.0    9.0
    Concentration                                                                   0.0   14.0
    Diplomacy                                                                       0.0   15.0
    Disable Device    4  1  1  1     2  1  1  1                 6              5   23.0   36.0
    Haggle            4                                                             4.0   13.0
    Heal              2  3  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1     2  1  1  1      22.0   37.0
    Hide                                                                            0.0   17.0
    Intimidate                                                                      0.0   15.0
    Jump              1                                                             1.0   10.0
    Listen                                                                          0.0   21.5
    Move Silently                                                                   0.0   17.0
    Open Lock         4                                                             4.0   21.0
    Perform           1                                                             1.0   10.0
    Repair            4                                                             4.0   17.0
    Search            4           4              5              5              5   23.0   38.0
    Spell Craft                                                                     0.0   13.0
    Spot              4           4              3                 ½  1     1      13.5   35.0
    Swim              4                                                             4.0   13.0
    Tumble            1                                                             1.0   18.0
    Use Magic Device  4     1  1        1  1  1     2  2  2  2     1  1  2  1  1   23.0   32.0
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Skill Points     44  5  5  5  9  5  5  5  5  9  5  5  5  5 11  5  5  5  5 11
    
    
    Assassin (3 AP):
    Knife in the Darkness
    1. Sneak Attack Training I
    
    
    Deepwood Stalker (6 AP):
    Far Shot
    1. Increased Empathy 3, Versatile Empathy 1
    2. Improved Weapon Finesse
    
    
    Elf (14 AP):
    Accuracy I, Dexterity I, Accuracy II
    1. Aerenal Weapon Training
    2. Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcanum 1
    3. Arcane Archer
    
    
    Arcane Archer (17 AP):
    Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows
    1. Conjure Arrows, Flaming Arrows
    2. Force Arrows 3, Elemental Damage
    3. Terror Arrows, Soul Magic
    
    
    Radiant Servant (40 AP):
    Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst, Improved Empower Healing
    1. Extra Turning 3, Wand Mastery 3, Altruism 3
    2. Improved Turning 1, Efficient Empower Healing 3
    3. Intense Healing 3, Unyielding Sovereignty
    4. Endless Turning 1, Incredible Healing 3
    5. Positive Energy Aura, Cure Focus
    
    
    Unyielding Sentinel (24 EDP):
    Vigor of Battle, Unbreakable, Stand Against the Tide, Stalwart Guardian, Heed No Pain, Steadfast
    1. Divine Energy Resistance 3, Brace for Impact 1
    2. Block Energy 3
    3. Renewal 3, Healing Hands, Endless Lay on Hands 3
    4. Light the Dark
    5. Hardened 1, Strength of Vitality 3
    6. Undying Vanguard
    Last edited by mikhan3; 04-23-2018 at 05:37 AM.

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    why animal domain? extra hit points and feral charge on wisdom modifier? what is the wisdom in your build?

    if your goal is to be "support", heals and traps,
    then maybe knowledge domain will be better?
    you get +2 to all skills on level 2, and you get extra intelligence points on turn undead, since the important rogue skills (search and traps) are int skills, it is a good synergy..

    just not sure what is the required skill range to search/trap for the endgame. maybe more experienced people know.

    usually the rogue splash goes with wizzy and then all the points go to intelligence which allows them to be on the same level as pure rogues who go dex.

    i know i am not helping, just thinking aloud...

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    Default Medistring 15 Cleric / 3 Ranger / 2 Rogue

    I think you're right, the skills need a boost; here's another variant of same free2play build:

    Medistring - a longbow & kukri healing trapper - follower of Olladra with Healing domain

    Still dips Assassin for DEX Kukri backup weapon, then Deepwood Stalker for DEX damage.
    Then Arcane Archer, filling the gaps with Mechanic and Radiant Servant before epic levels.

    Could go Human, since AA is from Ranger here, lowering senses and proficiency for a feat.
    Maybe choose Empower Healing so another domain can be taken, losing healing efficiency.
    Other domains: War for offense, Luck for defense, Animal for hp/spot, Knowledge for skills.

    Code:
         Start Tome Final
    Str:     8    0     8      HP:        703      AC: 26
    Dex:    16    0    23      PRR:        10
    Con:    12    0    12      MRR:         0      +Healing Amp:    40
    Int:    16    0    16      Dodge:    0/25      -Healing Amp:     0
    Wis:    14    0    14      Fort:      40%      Repair Amp:       0
    Cha:     8    0     8      SR:          0      BAB:             20
    
    Saves:
    Fortitude:         21
    Reflex:            25      Race: Elf                  Alignment: Neutral
    Will:              20
    
    Level Class            Feats
      1   Rogue(1)         Point Blank Shot
      2   Cleric(1)        Follower of Olladra
      3   Cleric(2)        Precise Shot, Healing Domain Tier I
      4   Cleric(3)   DEX  
      5   Ranger(1)        Favored Enemy: Undead
      6   Cleric(4)        Quicken Spell
      7   Cleric(5)        Healing Domain Tier II
      8   Cleric(6)   DEX  Luck of Olladra
      9   Cleric(7)        Maximize Spell
     10   Ranger(2)        
     11   Cleric(8)        
     12   Cleric(9)   DEX  Manyshot, Healing Domain Tier III
     13   Cleric(10)       
     14   Cleric(11)       
     15   Ranger(3)        Improved Precise Shot
     16   Cleric(12)  DEX  
     17   Cleric(13)       
     18   Cleric(14)       Improved Critical: Ranged, Healing Domain Tier IV
     19   Cleric(15)       
     20   Rogue(2)    DEX  
     21   Epic(1)          Combat Archery
     22   Epic(2)          
     23   Epic(3)          
     24   Epic(4)     DEX  Overwhelming Critical
     25   Epic(5)          
     26   Epic(6)          Epic Spell Power: Positive
     27   Epic(7)          Intensify Spell
     28   Epic(8)     DEX  Doubleshot
     29   Epic(9)          Fount of Life
     30   Epic(10)         Wellspring of Power, Scion of the Feywild
    
    
    Skill Name       01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20  Total Buffed
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Balance           4                                                             4.0   20.0
    Bluff                                                                           0.0    9.0
    Concentration                                                                   0.0   14.0
    Diplomacy                                                                       0.0   15.0
    Disable Device    4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1           2  1  1        5   23.0   39.0
    Haggle            4                                                             4.0   13.0
    Heal              2  3  1  1     2  1  1  1     2  1  1  1     2  1  1  1      22.0   37.0
    Hide                                                                            0.0   16.0
    Intimidate                                                                      0.0   15.0
    Jump              1                                                             1.0   10.0
    Listen                                                                          0.0   20.0
    Move Silently                                                                   0.0   16.0
    Open Lock         4                                                             4.0   23.0
    Perform           1                                                             1.0   10.0
    Repair            4                                                             4.0   20.0
    Search            4           4              5              5              5   23.0   44.0
    Spell Craft                                                    1                0.0   14.0
    Spot              4           1              2                                 13.5   27.0
    Swim              4                                                             4.0   13.0
    Tumble            1                                                             1.0   17.0
    Use Magic Device  4     1  1  1  ½  1  1  1     ½  2  2  2        1  2  2  1   23.0   32.0
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Skill Points     44  5  5  5  9  5  5  5  5  9  5  5  5  5  9  5  5  5  5 11
    
    
    Assassin (3 AP):
    Knife in the Darkness
    1. Sneak Attack Training I
    
    
    Deepwood Stalker (11 AP):
    Far Shot, Sneak Attack
    1. Increased Empathy 3, Versatile Empathy 1
    2. Empathic Healing 2, Improved Weapon Finesse
    
    
    Mechanic (10 AP):
    Arbalester
    1. Mechanics 3, Awareness 3
    2. Skill Boost 3
    
    
    Arcane Archer (22 AP):
    Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows
    1. Conjure Arrows, Flaming Arrows, Awareness 3
    2. Force Arrows 3, Elemental Damage
    3. Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Corrosive Arrows
    
    
    Radiant Servant (34 AP):
    Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst, Improved Empower Healing
    1. Extra Turning 3, Wand Mastery 3, Altruism 3
    2. Improved Turning 1
    3. Intense Healing 3, Unyielding Sovereignty
    4. Endless Turning 1, Incredible Healing 3
    5. Positive Energy Aura, Cure Focus
    
    
    Unyielding Sentinel (24 EDP):
    Vigor of Battle, Unbreakable, Stand Against the Tide, Stalwart Guardian, Heed No Pain, Steadfast
    1. Divine Energy Resistance 3, Brace for Impact 1
    2. Block Energy 3
    3. Renewal 3, Healing Hands, Endless Lay on Hands 3
    4. Light the Dark
    5. Hardened 1, Strength of Vitality 3
    6. Undying Vanguard
    Last edited by mikhan3; 04-23-2018 at 06:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikhan3 View Post
    Still dips Assassin for DEX Kukri backup weapon...
    No, never did, still doesn't.

    A weapon with no feats is not "a backup weapon" - it's just there to ignore, by accident, a coincidence on the way to somewhere else - here, on the way to grab another SA die, apparently. If he ever pulls out a kukri... what's it going to do that the bow couldn't? So... yeah, there's that.

    Without Spot, you either 1) have to have every trap location in the game memorized, or 2) rely on others for the same (or 3), walk into them and survive to then disarm them - not recommended). 33 points in archery, with nothing above Tier 3 - you never get to the good stuff, so not sure that's going to do much, despite the feats. Meanwhile, without either Concentration or Quicken, your healing spells have a good chance to be disrupted in combat, so that's unreliable. You're taking Tier 5 w/ RS, but he's really not specced to go that way. No Charisma, so I guess it's a good thing he has "Endless Turning" - he'll roll a 20 eventually.


    And all that sums up what this build lacks - Focus. A generalist is good at nothing, so (in this game) good for nothing. Be good at something, and then see what you can add to that.

    Most "support" can still offer a noticeable amount of DPS - and while you are spending most all Feats on archery, you are spending almost no enhancements on same, so it's still weak at best. Healing is fine (if a bit niche), but without ~some~ DPS, it's less attractive than a hireling healer - and that's saying a lot.


    (Also, you've got Awareness from 2 diff trees - they don't stack, lose one or the other.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikhan3 View Post
    Medistick - a quarterstaff & dart healing trapper - follower of Aureon with Animal domain
    Skip the throwing weapon. And Aureon's not the best choice for a battlecleric; either Onatar for Melee Power boost or Sovereign Host or Olladra for the extra emergency heal. I would also consider Strength instead of Animal largely for the Reflex save boost; unless your plan is to use medium/heavy armor and skip Evasion?

    It needs a few tweaks, IMO, but the core concept of "melee DPS + heals" is sound. There's a few cleric 13 / monk 6 / rog 1 builds in this thread along similar lines. Thread's a little old and doesn't reflect the latest monk changes / nerfs, but the builds still work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnie View Post
    Q-staves make for poor caster weapons since dual wielding allows you to fit twice the number of spell power and lore onto your weapons.
    Good thing this clearly isn't a caster build, then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnie View Post
    Furthermore, many TA enhancements use dexterity (which you're dumping) and rogue level to determine their DC.
    It's a STR to-hit & dmg build, so the cores don't matter. And the only Acrobat ability with a DEX-based DC is Sweeping Strikes. As long as OP isn't expecting to be able to trip anything with it, it's fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by mikhan3 View Post
    Medistring - a longbow & kukri healing trapper - follower of Olladra with Animal domain

    I dip Assassin for a DEX Kukri backup weapon, then Deepwood Stalker for DEX damage.
    Elf later on for Arcane Archer, filling the gaps with Radiant Servant before the epic levels.
    This build, OTOH, is...not great. Trying to do too many things on a feat-starved combo and not doing any of them as well as it should, IMO.
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    Default Medibolter 14 Cleric / 6 Rogue

    I hope for trapping and free2play no tomes, but I'll keep your melee pointers in mind, Ubo.
    I tried mashing Rogue into your Machine Gun Nun Reborn instead of Artificer - did it work?
    If not, maybe I should stick to premades or Witcher 3. Thanks for all the pointers, anyway.

    Code:
         Start Tome Final      HP:        728      AC:    10
    Str:     8    0     8      PRR:        10
    Dex:    14    0    21      MRR:         0      +Healing Amp:    40
    Con:    12    0    12      Dodge:    2/25      -Healing Amp:     0
    Int:    16    0    21      Fort:       0%      Repair Amp:       0
    Wis:    14    0    16      SR:          0      BAB:             19
    Cha:    10    0    14      DR:    10\Epic      Immunities:    None
    
    Saves:
    Fortitude:         18
    Reflex:            20      Race: Human         Alignment: Lawful Good
    Will:              24
    
    
    Level Class       Atr  Feats
      1   Rogue(1)         Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot
      2   Cleric(1)        Follower of Olladra
      3   Cleric(2)        Empower Healing Spell, War Domain Tier I
      4   Cleric(3)   DEX  
      5   Rogue(2)         
      6   Cleric(4)        Rapid Shot
      7   Cleric(5)        War Domain Tier II
      8   Cleric(6)   DEX  Luck of Olladra
      9   Rogue(3)         Maximize Spell
     10   Cleric(7)        
     11   Cleric(8)        
     12   Cleric(9)   DEX  Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons, War Domain Tier III
     13   Rogue(4)         
     14   Cleric(10)       
     15   Cleric(11)       Quicken Spell
     16   Rogue(5)    DEX  
     17   Cleric(12)       
     18   Cleric(13)       Rapid Reload
     19   Cleric(14)       War Domain Tier IV
     20   Rogue(6)    DEX  
     21   Epic(1)          Improved Precise Shot
     22   Epic(2)          
     23   Epic(3)          
     24   Epic(4)     DEX  Overwhelming Critical
     25   Epic(5)          
     26   Epic(6)          Epic Spell Power: Positive
     27   Epic(7)          Intensify Spell
     28   Epic(8)     DEX  Doubleshot
     29   Epic(9)          Fount of Life
     30   Epic(10)         Combat Archery, Scion of Celestia
    
    
    Skill Name       01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20  Total Buffed
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Balance           4                                                             4.0   19.0
    Bluff                                                                           0.0   12.0
    Concentration                                                                   0.0   14.0
    Diplomacy                                                                       0.0   15.0
    Disable Device    4           4           4           4        3           4   23.0   41.0
    Haggle            4                                                             4.0   16.0
    Heal              2  2  2  1     2  1  1     2  1  1     2  1     2  1  1      22.0   38.0
    Hide                                                                            0.0   15.0
    Intimidate                                                                      0.0   18.0
    Jump              1                                                             1.0   10.0
    Listen                                                                          0.0   16.0
    Move Silently                                                                   0.0   15.0
    Open Lock         4  1  1  1  1    1½ 1½       1½ 1½     1  2     1 1½ 1½      21.0   39.0
    Perform           1                                                             1.0   13.0
    Repair            4                                                             4.0   22.0
    Search            4           4           4           4        3           4   23.0   41.0
    Spell Craft       2                                                             2.0   17.0
    Spot              4  1  1  1     2  1  1     2  1  1     1     3  1  1  1      22.0   38.0
    Swim              4                                                             4.0   13.0
    Tumble            1                                                             1.0   16.0
    Use Magic Device  4        ½  3           4           4     ½  3           4   23.0   35.0
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Skill Points     48  6  6  6 12  6  6  6 12  6  6  6 12  6  6 12  6  6  6 12
    
    
    Human (5 AP):
    Versatility I: Damage Boost
    1. Action Surge I: Intelligence 2, Improved Recovery I
    
    
    Mechanic (41 AP):
    Arbalester, Tanglefoot, Targeting Sights
    1. Sharpshooter I, Lacerating Shots 3, Awareness 3, Mechanics 3
    2. Sharpshooter II, Skill Boost 3
    3. Sharpshooter III, Ability I: Intelligence
    4. Sharpshooter IV, Leg Shot, Fletching 3, Ability II: Intelligence
    5. Sharpshooter V, Rapid Fire 3, Sniper, Mechanical Reloader
    
    
    Radiant Servant (34 AP):
    Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst, Improved Empower Healing
    1. Extra Turning 3, Altruism 3, Wand Mastery 3
    2. Improved Turning
    3. Unyielding Sovereignty, Intense Healing 3, Ability I: Wisdom
    4. Endless Turning 1, Incredible Healing 1, Ability II: Wisdom
    5. Positive Energy Aura, Cure Focus
    
    
    Unyielding Sentinel (24 DP)
    Vigor of Battle, Unbreakable, Stand Against the Tide, Stalwart Guardian, Heed No Pain, Steadfast
    1. Divine Energy Resistance 3, Shield Prowess 1, Ability I: Charisma
    2. Ability II: Charisma
    3. Renewal 3, Healing Hands, Endless Lay on Hands 3, Ability III: Charisma
    4. Light the Dark, Purify Weapon, Ability IV: Charisma
    Last edited by mikhan3; 04-24-2018 at 02:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikhan3 View Post
    I hope for trapping and free2play no tomes, but I'll keep your melee pointers in mind, Ubo.
    I tried mashing Rogue into your Machine Gun Nun Reborn instead of Artificer - did it work?
    ...sorta?

    Okay, there's a couple of challenges to trying to do this as F2P:
    • multiple stat dependencies: INT for DPS (only stat option for xbows), DEX for ranged feat pre-reqs, CON for not dying. Then you put some pts into WIS & CHA for...cleric stuff, I'm guessing? Basically it's tricky to do all that on a tome-free first-lifer like your build.
    • I'm inferring you don't have Harper, which means you're relying on the level 6 Mechanic core (Targeting Sights) for INT to damage. The problem is you backloaded that until level 20, which means your ranged DPS is pretty backloaded too. Also you're stuck using great crossbows unless you spend a feat on repeaters earlier on.


    So you have a ranged build which doesn't hit its full potential until it gets to epics; and a backloaded healer due to all the rogue levels sprinkled throughout. At least you keep your trap skills maxed out, though!

    TBH I think you had the right idea with your first build; melee battlecleric is just easier to pull off, IMO. Although if you go War domain instead of Animal, you don't need to restrict yourself to staves; since War domain grants full martial weapon proficiencies and Holy Sword is an universal DPS booster (i.e., works with any weapon). Which also gives more flexibility with your class split - don't need tier-5 Acrobat anymore - so you could take tier-5 Radiant Servant instead.
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    Default Medisword 15 Cleric / 5 Rogue

    Hmm yeah it IS easier to frontload melee efficiency and still spread out the Rogue levels.
    Deity and Slashing criticals can be changed as needed, not 100% sure of enhancements:

    Code:
         Start Tome Final      HP:        610      AC:     4 (bugged?)
    Str:    15    0    28      PRR:        10
    Dex:     8    0     8      MRR:         0      +Healing Amp:    60
    Con:    14    0    14      Dodge:    2/25      -Healing Amp:     0
    Int:    16    0    16      Fort:       0%      Repair Amp:       0
    Wis:    12    0    14      SR:          0      BAB:             19
    Cha:     8    0    14      DR:    10\Epic      Immunities:    None
    
    Saves:
    Fortitude:         22
    Reflex (traps 24): 15      Race: Human         Alignment: Lawful Good
    Will:              18
    
    
    Level Class       Atr  Feats
      1   Rogue(1)         Two Handed Fighting, Power Attack
      2   Cleric(1)        Follower of the Sovereign Host
      3   Cleric(2)        Empower Healing Spell, War Domain Tier I
      4   Cleric(3)   STR  Child of the Sovereign Host
      5   Rogue(2)         
      6   Cleric(4)        Maximize Spell
      7   Cleric(5)        War Domain Tier II
      8   Cleric(6)   STR  Unyielding Sovereignty
      9   Cleric(7)        Quicken Spell
     10   Rogue(3)         
     11   Cleric(8)        
     12   Cleric(9)   STR  Improved Two Handed Fighting, War Domain Tier III
     13   Cleric(10)       
     14   Cleric(11)       
     15   Rogue(4)         Greater Two Handed Fighting
     16   Cleric(12)  STR  
     17   Cleric(13)       
     18   Cleric(14)       Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons, War Domain Tier IV
     19   Cleric(15)       
     20   Rogue(5)    STR  
     21   Epic(1)          Overwhelming Critical
     22   Epic(2)          
     23   Epic(3)          
     24   Epic(4)     STR  Intensify Spell
     25   Epic(5)          
     26   Epic(6)          Perfect Two Handed Fighting
     27   Epic(7)          Blinding Speed
     28   Epic(8)     STR  Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
     29   Epic(9)          Fount of Life
     30   Epic(10)         Wellspring of Power, Scion of Arborea
    
    
    Skill Name       01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20  Total Buffed
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Balance           4                                                             4.0   15.0
    Bluff                                                                           0.0   12.0
    Concentration                                                                   0.0   15.0
    Diplomacy                                                                       0.0   15.0
    Disable Device    4  1     1  2     1     1  2     1  1     2  1     1  1  4   23.0   39.0
    Haggle            4                                                             4.0   16.0
    Heal              2  3  1  1     2  1  1  1     2  1  1  1     2  1  1  1      22.0   37.0
    Hide                                                                            0.0    9.0
    Intimidate                                                                      0.0   18.0
    Jump              4                                                             4.0   25.0
    Listen                                                                          0.0   15.0
    Move Silently                                                                   0.0    9.0
    Open Lock         4     1     3  1  ½  ½     3  1  ½  ½     3     1            19.0   31.0
    Perform           1                                                             1.0   13.0
    Repair            4                                                             4.0   20.0
    Search            4  ½  ½  ½  2  1     1  ½  2     1     1  2  1     1  1  4   23.0   39.0
    Spell Craft                                                                     0.0   13.0
    Spot              4     1     2     1  1     2  1     1  ½  2    1½  ½  ½  4   22.0   37.0
    Swim              4                                                             4.0   23.0
    Tumble            2                                                             2.0   13.0
    Use Magic Device  4        1  3           1  3           1  3                  16.0   29.0
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Skill Points     48  6  6  6 12  6  6  6  6 12  6  6  6  6 12  6  6  6  6 12
    
    
    Human (13 AP):
    Versatility I: Damage Boost, Adaptability: +1 Strength
    1. Improved Recovery I, Action Surge I: Strength 3
    2. Fighting Style: Great Weapon Aptitude 3
    3. Improved Recovery II
    
    
    Thief-Acrobat (22 AP):
    Staff Control
    1. Sly Flourish 3, Thief Acrobatics 2
    2. Haste Boost 3, Trip Focus 3, Subtlety 3
    3. Improved Glancing Blows 3, Ability I: +1 Strength
    4. Ability II: +1 Strength
    
    
    Mechanic (11 AP):
    Arbalester
    1. Mechanics 3, Awareness 3
    2. Skill Boost 3
    3. Use Magical Device 1
    
    
    Radiant Servant (34 AP):
    Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst, Improved Empower Healing
    1. Extra Turning 3, Wand Mastery 3, Altruism 3
    2. Improved Turning 1, Divine Healing 1
    3. Intense Healing 3, Ability I: +1 Wisdom
    4. Endless Turning 1, Incredible Healing 1, Endless Turning 1
    5. Positive Energy Aura, Cure Focus
    
    
    Unyielding Sentinel (24 DP):
    Vigor of Battle, Unbreakable, Stand Against the Tide, Stalwart Guardian, Heed No Pain, Steadfast
    1. Divine Energy Resistance 3, Ability I: +1 Charisma
    2. Block Energy 1, Ability II: +1 Charisma
    3. Renewal 3, Healing Hands, Endless Lay on Hands 1, Ability III: +1 Charisma
    4. Light the Dark, Ability IV: +1 Charisma
    5. Ability V: +1 Charisma
    6. Ability VI: +1 Charisma
    Last edited by mikhan3; 04-25-2018 at 03:14 AM.

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    It's been a while since I made a cleric / rogue first-lifer, but let's give this a shot.
    Code:
    Trapper Priest
    15/5 Cleric/Rogue
    True Neutral Human
    
    
    
    
    Level Order
    
    
    1. Rogue           6. Rogue          11. Cleric         16. Cleric
    2. Cleric          7. Cleric         12. Cleric         17. Rogue
    3. Cleric          8. Cleric         13. Cleric         18. Cleric
    4. Cleric          9. Cleric         14. Cleric         19. Rogue
    5. Cleric         10. Cleric         15. Cleric         20. Rogue
    
    
    
    
    Stats
                   28pt     32pt     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength        14       15       4: STR
    Dexterity        8        8       8: STR
    Constitution    14       14      12: STR
    Intelligence    16       16      16: STR
    Wisdom          10       10      20: STR
    Charisma        12       14      24: STR
                                     28: STR
    
    
    Skills
              R  C  C  C  C  R  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  R  C  R  R
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Heal      2  2  2     2     2     2     2     2     2        3  1  1  23
    Disable   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    Open Lo   4              5     1     1     1     1     1  2     2  5  23
    Search    4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1     2  1  23
    UMD       4              5                                8     5  1  23
    Balance   4        1                                               2   7
    Spot      4                                                            4
    Listen    4                                                            4
    Jump      4                                                            4
    Swim      4                                                            4
    Tumble    4                                                            4
    Haggle    4                                                            4
    Concent                                                      1         1
             ------------------------------------------------------------
             48  6  6  6  6 12  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  6 12  6 12 12
    
    
    
    
    Feats
    
    
     1        : Power Attack
     1 Human  : Cleave
     3        : Quicken Spell
     6        : Great Cleave
     9        : Empower Healing Spell
    12        : Improved Critical: Slashing
    15        : Two Handed Fighting OR Maximize Spell
    18        : Improved Two Handed Fighting OR Empower Spell
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Greater Two Handed Fighting OR Intensify Spell
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
    27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
    28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
    29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
    30 Epic   :
    30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea
    
    
     3 Cleric : War Domain
    
    
     2 Deity  : Follower of: Olladra
     8 Deity  : Luck of Olladra
    
    
    
    
    Enhancements (80 AP)
    
    
    Radiant Servant (32 AP)
    
    • Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst, Improved Empower Healing
      1. Extra Turning III, Wand Mastery III, Altruism I
      2. Improved Turning III
      3. Intense Healing III, Unyielding Sovereignty
      4. Endless Turning III, Incredible Healing I
      5. Positive Energy Aura
    Warpriest (23 AP)
    • Smite Foe, Resilience of Battle, Sanctuary, Blur
      1. Divine Might III, Sacred Touch III
      2. Smite Weakness, Wall of Steel III, Inflame III
      3. Inflame: Energy Absorption III
      4. Ameliorating Strike
    Human (9 AP)
    • Damage Boost, Strength, Skills Boost
      1. Skill Focus: Nimble Fingers III, Improved Recovery
    Thief-Acrobat (8 AP)
    • Staff Control
      1. Sly Flourish II, Fast Movement
      2. Haste Boost III
    Mechanic (8 AP)
    • Arbalester
      1. Mechanics II, Awareness II
      2. Skill Boost III
    Leveling Guide
    1. TA0 Staff Control; TA1 Thief Acrobatics I, II, III
    2. War0 Smite Foe; War1 Divine Might I, II, III
    3. TA1 Acrobat Staff Training; Hum0 Damage Boost; Hum1 Skill Focus: Nimble Fingers I
    4. Hum1 Skill Focus: Nimble Fingers II, III; Hum1 Improved Recovery
    5. Mec0 Arbalester; Mec1 Awareness I, II; Mec1 Mechanics I
    6. TA2 Quick Strike I, II
    7. Reset Thief-Acrobat
      • Radiant Servant: Healing Domain, Pacifism
        1. Extra Turning III, Wand Mastery III
        2. Improved Turning III
        3. Unyielding Sovereignty
      • Mechanic
        1. Mechanics II
    8. Rad0 Positive Energy Burst; Mec2 Skill Boost I, II, III
    9. Rad3 Intense Healing I, II
    10. Rad3 Intense Healing III; Rad4 Endless Turning I
    11. Rad4 Endless Turning II, III
    12. Rad4 Incredible Healing I; Hum0 Strength
    13. Hum0 Skills Boost; Rad1 Altruism I; War1 Sacred Touch I, II
    14. Rad0 Improved Empower Healing; Rad5 Positive Energy Aura; War0 Resilience of Battle
    15. War2 Smite Weakness; War2 Wall of Steel I; War0 Sanctuary
    16. Reset Mechanic
      • Warpriest: Blur
        1. Sacred Touch III
        2. Wall of Steel III, Inflame III
        3. Inflame: Energy Absorption III
        4. Ameliorating Strike
    17. TA0 Staff Control; TA1 Fast Movement; TA1 Sly Flourish I
    18. TA1 Sly Flourish II; TA2 Haste Boost I, II, III
    19. Mec0 Arbalester; Mec1 Awareness I, II; Mec1 Mechanics I
    20. Mec1 Mechanics II; Mec2 Skill Boost I, II, III
    Destiny (24 AP) Divine Crusader
    1. Endless Turning II, Interrogation, Purge the Wicked
    2. Confront Any Foe, Consecration III
    3. Sacred Ground, Empyrean Magic
    4. No Regret, Crusade
    5. Castigation, Heavenly Presence, Celestial Champion
    6. Strike Down
    EDIT: added heroic leveling guide.


    Okay so why the differences from your build?

    • Stats: basically the same except I put more points into CHA for (A) extra uses of Turn Undead (TU) which powers your Radiant Bursts / Auras and (B) a higher STR bonus from Divine Might. Usually I dump-stat WIS on a battlecleric, but that might be a little too challenging for a newbie (since you still need WIS 18 eventually for level 8 spells) so I started WIS 10 instead.
    • Leveling order: I backloaded the rogue levels even more than you did, since I want to get cleric abilities ASAP, particularly Holy Sword. EDIT: the downside is Open Lock and UMD lag behind Search & Disable, but they're less critical for heroic leveling than trapping, IMO.
    • Feats: pretty similar to yours, the biggest differences are I added the Cleave feats and moved up Improved Critical to level 12. Also I give you the choice between (A) the THF feat chain for higher melee DPS or (B) extra metamagics to boost your healing (remember they can be applied for free to your radiant burst if nothing else). EDIT: fortunately you don't have to make up your mind which way you plan to go until level 15, so you have some time to decide which is more important to you.
    • Skills: Search and Disable Device are the must-haves on a trapper; while Heal is an obvious choice for a healer (boosts Positive Spellpower). I also like to max out Use Magic Device (UMD) and Open Lock. The only downside is I didn't have enough skill pts for Spot as well; an experienced trapper doesn't need it (because they've already memorized where they are), an inexperienced one...well, good luck with finding traps by walking into them. EDIT: or "cheat" by consulting the DDO wiki to find out where all the traps and control boxes are. I mean "Pray to your gods for divine guidance!" of course.
    • Enhancements: I went deep into Warpriest for the extra healing from Ameliorating Strike plus other goodies like perma-Blur, extra PRR, Inflame, etc. I don't usually put so many APs into trap skills, but as a first-lifer I figure you can use all the help you can get. If you find you don't need the Mechanic boosts you can always put those APs into Assassin for extra DPS or whatever.
    • Epic Destiny (ED): I prefer Divine Crusader for a melee+heals divine build like this. There's a nice mix of healing bonuses (extra caster levels, Consecration) and DPS bonuses (Celestial Champion, Zeal of the Righteous, Crusade). Sentinel is the de facto tanking ED making it more of a niche choice for a battlecleric, IMO.
    Last edited by unbongwah; 05-09-2018 at 11:59 AM.
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