Update 38 Systems Preview

[Seikojin]

That might be because Toy is leader of a guild? Pass it over to an alt and Toy will then show up. I have this problem with my toon that is guild leader.

****, you are right! LOL I will file that as a bug.

[Propane]

Instead you should campaign for a throwing master/expertise whatever you wish to call the feat. That way throwing daggers become viable, as do any other niche throwing builds beyond shurikens.

I do like this idea- one of my past suggestions...

Brutal Throw
Usage: Passive
Prerequisite: +1 Base Attack Bonus,
Description
You can use your Strength bonus instead of Dexterity bonus to determine bonus to attack with Thrown weapons if it is higher.
For non-shuriken throwing weapons - knock down targets hit on a natural 20 + confirmation for 6 seconds without a saving throw (same as great Crossbow).
For non-shuriken throwing weapons - +1W

[Strider1963]

So you're still moving forward with your plan to hit your "lowest performing Monk build we tried" that is "almost certainly not the best THf build in practice" the hardest while nerfing your highest performing outlier Monk build the least?

Its called the "nerf-buff-nerf syndrome. When monks ffirst came out, quivering palm worked wonders, then came the nerf. Fast forward many years later and in come the buffs to melee power in the H- core. Now, apparently some people started whining about monks doing well again, so here come the nerfs.... a way of life here in DDO

[Nickodeamous]

Stick builds are getting the proverbial shaft withe the MP nerf. handwraps will be fine. I play a handwrap build, but honestly, I don't believe will not see too much change.

The funny thing is, I tend to miss out on the over-powered monks, so I am naive to this. I took a few months off and I didn't buy RL when it came out initially, but when I came back, I realized that the new wraps were OP. There is a huge improvement even from the free RL morningtords over the epic scraps I used to run with. I will never have duality before it is nerfed, so I am not missing anything. That said, I do agree Henshin is getting the shaft. To me, its BAU. I enter a quest, I stun everything with Dire Charge, I hit stunning fist, quivering palm, tomb of jade, and attack repeatedly, and I tend to do very well with kills. I run in GMOF usually, so once I hit 25 on the counter, I hit EIN with a large mob...I am usually middle of the pack in kills...never too far behind the leader. I help the party win...this is a team game as far as I am concerned.

I really don't expect too much drop off as GMOF will get a boost in MP. In some cases I have the most kills(see slave lords), but this "nerf" will not affect my play-style. In fact, once I get the nerfed Duality, I will be more powerful that I am currently, but that's it. That's endgame for me. I may take another break after this update to let things sort themselves out, but first, I need a few more strahd runes

Nico

[jakeelala]

Throwing daggers are not viable because throwing weapons don't have a feat that provides parity to Shuriken Expertise. Don't try to skew the data for your personal goals there Mr. Shuriken-thrower. I agree to an extent that ranged power should be bumped slightly, the issue however is that bump benefits shurikens above all else and that is why there will be no bump.

Instead you should campaign for a throwing master/expertise whatever you wish to call the feat. That way throwing daggers become viable, as do any other niche throwing builds beyond shurikens.

That's just my two cents on the subject.

You must be new here.

I've been asking for a throwing expertise feat on these forums since you were in diapers.

[Jandric]

Melee Power:

The Melee Power in the Cores of each Epic Destiny have been adjusted to give an overall boost to melee in Epics:
Fatesinger: +10 Melee Power per Core.
Grandmaster of Flowers: +10 Melee Power per Core
Shadowdancer: +10 Melee Power per Core
Fury of the Wild: +6 Melee Power per Core
Primal Avatar: +10 Melee Power per Core
Divine Crusader: +3 Melee Power per Core
Unyelding Sentinel: +5 Melee Power per Core
Legendary Dreadnaught: unchanged

Please consider bumping Legendary Dreadnaught up from 3 Melee Power to at lest 5 or 6. I love that SSG is finally giving some love to melee characters, but why not make it universal instead of having LD lose ground to all of the other destinies by leaving it unchanged? The premise was most likely that LD receives enough Melee Power from blitzing, but please keep in mind that this will create imbalances between melee characters. LD is all about Melee Power, but now a rogue in Shadowdancer with great DPS via assassinate and execute can also get an extra 50 MP that is on all of the time while the fighter in LD stays pat? A fighter in LD gets 15 Melee Power from core abilities, and possibly 70 from Blitzing if he can keep blitz at max - which is almost impossible to do with Warlocks in the group (and when aren't there?)

[Applefritter]

So with the reduced MP in henshin, it seems to more or less preculde any staff wielding monk multiclass build that isn't taking 18 or 20 levels of monk in terms of build viability. The loss of build diversity (for staves in particular) is concerning as it is a nice feature that few mmo's can boast of. Was there a reason you did not wish to retain the prior core MP values but make them specific to staves, with reduced values for non staff weapons?

[Avocado]

Please consider bumping Legendary Dreadnaught up from 3 Melee Power to at lest 5 or 6. I love that SSG is finally giving some love to melee characters, but why not make it universal instead of having LD lose ground to all of the other destinies by leaving it unchanged? The premise was most likely that LD receives enough Melee Power from blitzing, but please keep in mind that this will create imbalances between melee characters. LD is all about Melee Power, but now a rogue in Shadowdancer with great DPS via assassinate and execute can also get an extra 50 MP that is on all of the time while the fighter in LD stays pat? A fighter in LD gets 15 Melee Power from core abilities, and possibly 70 from Blitzing if he can keep blitz at max - which is almost impossible to do with Warlocks in the group (and when aren't there?)

sure, only if they nerf blitz tho. LD still has maximum potential melee power and many other good melee buffs.

[SerPounce]

Please consider bumping Legendary Dreadnaught up from 3 Melee Power to at lest 5 or 6. I love that SSG is finally giving some love to melee characters, but why not make it universal instead of having LD lose ground to all of the other destinies by leaving it unchanged? The premise was most likely that LD receives enough Melee Power from blitzing, but please keep in mind that this will create imbalances between melee characters. LD is all about Melee Power, but now a rogue in Shadowdancer with great DPS via assassinate and execute can also get an extra 50 MP that is on all of the time while the fighter in LD stays pat? A fighter in LD gets 15 Melee Power from core abilities, and possibly 70 from Blitzing if he can keep blitz at max - which is almost impossible to do with Warlocks in the group (and when aren't there?)

LD has a lot going for it which is why it's the most popular destiny for both ranged and melee. That popularity is also why everyone wants it buffed.

LD gets 100% action boost up time (now with no delay!), 50% helpless damage, and crit bonuses in addition to having the most melee power.

The one thing that LD needs to stop having blitz removed on zoning. That's obnoxious.

[Nubom70]

We have just opened up Lamannia with the first preview of U38!

Any plans on fixing the filigree that are still broken, such as Purity for example (disease immunity still non-operational), since Barovia was supposed to be a major thing?

[edrein]

Not sure if this is the proper place to make the suggestion, but given the bleed through with the systems changes in general. Might I make a suggestion for new Legendary feats?

Scion of Shavarath:

• You gain +2 Healing Hands charges if you are an Aasimar.
• Add 2d20 Evil damage to weapon and unarmed attacks (Scales with Spell Power)
• Gain; Blade Barrier SLA.

Scion of Irian:

• You gain +2 Healing Hands charges if you are an Aasimar.
• Add 1d20 Light damage to weapon and unarmed attacks (Scales with Spell Power)
• Melee, ranged, and offensive spell damage have a chance to proc a burst of blinding light. (Similar to Brazen Brilliance on Echo of The Sunsword.)

Scion of Lamannia:

• You gain +1W when in a wildshape form.
• Druid Mantle spells are doubled in effect.
• Melee, ranged, and offensive spell damage deal 1d10 random elemental damage and have a chance to proc an AoE burst of random elemental damage. (Scales with the appropriate Spell Power)

Additionally a level 24 Master feat for Shapeshifting would be nice as well.

Master of Wildshapes:

• You gain +1W when in a wildshape form.
• If you are in a bear form; gain the effects of +20 PRR and MRR, +10 natural armor, and +15 melee power.
• If you are in a wolf form; gain the effects of +2 sneak attack die, +10 reflex saves, and improved deception effect on attacks.

[GeoffWatson]

Scion of Shavarath:
Scion of Irian:
Scion of Lamannia:

Don't be silly.
The Scion feats are all named after planes from the Greyhawk setting, not Eberron or FR planes.

[edrein]

Don't be silly.
The Scion feats are all named after planes from the Greyhawk setting, not Eberron or FR planes.

I can't tell if you're being silly, if I'm not making that connection, or what.

That being said; Shadowfell and Feywild are both present in Eberron and Faerun.

The entire point of the proposed feats were to add flavor and bonuses associated with those Planes of Eberron. They add gaps in the power structure as is (AKA: druids) and give a new place for Aasimar Healing Hands, which the devs have mentioned adding ways to add to that ability with time. Shavarath is definitely the most appropriate place to put a Blade Barrier SLA for anyone to use, slap on the evil or perhaps slashing damage proc and boom. You've got a thematic fit for all of the sources.

Edit: I actually looked it up. They seem to be named as a mix of Planes from the various worlds and settings of 3.5E.

Double Edit: For reference..
Greyhawk: Arborea, Celestia, Elysium, Mechanus, and Limbo.
Faerun/FR: Astral, Shadowfell, Feywild and Elemental Planes.
Eberron: Technically none. Mabar and Shadowfell are coterminous during Night Revels. And Thelanis is a form/splinter of the Feywilds.

[Cocomajobo]

Thank you all for coming out to the first U38 Preview! We are working towards putting out a second preview which will include changes to Druid and Artificer based on feedback here as well as both the new adventure pack and named loot coming in U38. We expect this second preview to be coming be going live in the week of the 27th-29th but that could change based on schedule interruptions (Who knows, maybe we'll have 5 more storms that bring 2 feet of snow and 50 mph winds between now and then )

[tonkssd]

Throwing daggers are not viable because throwing weapons don't have a feat that provides parity to Shuriken Expertise. Don't try to skew the data for your personal goals there Mr. Shuriken-thrower. I agree to an extent that ranged power should be bumped slightly, the issue however is that bump benefits shurikens above all else and that is why there will be no bump.

Instead you should campaign for a throwing master/expertise whatever you wish to call the feat. That way throwing daggers become viable, as do any other niche throwing builds beyond shurikens.

That's just my two cents on the subject.

i think weapon versatility benefits all ranged chars and the changes crash this, whit te update there are a unbalance between MP and RP. MOre RP to all EDs may balance the choice os the ranged chars (all archer is fury and all monk is legenday)

[thomascoolone64]

Thank you all for coming out to the first U38 Preview! We are working towards putting out a second preview which will include changes to Druid and Artificer based on feedback here as well as both the new adventure pack and named loot coming in U38. We expect this second preview to be coming be going live in the week of the 27th-29th but that could change based on schedule interruptions (Who knows, maybe we'll have 5 more storms that bring 2 feet of snow and 50 mph winds between now and then )

What are you saying? with how bad snow storms are in boston will give us more preview time?

[Sebastrd]

We are still moving forward with the planned changes to bring the overall DPS of the Monk class closer to analogous builds in other classes, yes. Which does include Henshin Mystic.

So far, the adjustments appear to be working as expected and bringing Melee Monks in their various forms closer to similar builds in other classes. While it's certainly still possible to make an underperforming Monk build (it was before these changes as well), everything we've seen so far suggests that Monk builds that are presently useful will continue to be so (Which, again, does include Henshin Mystic).

Steel, this honestly sounds like you're saying stick builds were underperforming before the changes and will continue to be underperforming after the changes, so the devs aren't really concerned.

[Steelstar]

Steel, this honestly sounds like you're saying stick builds were underperforming before the changes and will continue to be underperforming after the changes, so the devs aren't really concerned.

I can confirm that that's not what I'm saying.

[Sebastrd]

I can confirm that that's not what I'm saying.

Are you saying that stick builds are better than people are claiming, and the changes simply keep the same power curve in relation to handwraps builds? For example:

Current power levels -
Handwraps Monks>>>Stick Monks>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most Other DPS>>>THF Builds

New power levels -
Handwraps Monks>=Most Other DPS>>>Stick Monks>=THF Builds

If you keep the Henshin MP for Qstaffs only, then when you make adjustments to THF in general later on to bring them up to par, Henshin stick builds will get pushed too far ahead?

[edrein]

I can confirm that that's not what I'm saying.

Something that's been bothering me here. Where's the Warpriest changes? They didn't make it with domains, despite a few discussions on the PC forums. Now granted I'm no longer on the PC to see anything else, but is there going to be any news or smaller changes (Such as making Divine Might a divine bonus so it stacks) in the meanwhile?

I'm kind of curious if Warpriest got set on the backburner while you all chip away at a third FVS tree. Which is kind of disappointing as both Clerics and FVS could use the Warpriest/War Soul changes now before we get to this melee pass you're talking about.