Monkcher revamp help pls

[bruener]

Howdy,

I have been gone for awhile. Quite a while actually. Long before legendary shroud. At the time Monkchers were pretty powerful and did some pretty amazing damage. After doing some reading on here it seems that there has been some changes to Many shot/TTS which at the time was the Monkchers bread and butter. Is it still? I'm just curious if I should try to get this toon up to speed if its possible by using a lesser heart or if they arent really worth it and I should just TR it.

This is my build currently

12 monk/6 ranger/2 pally 36 pt build Helf with max wis past lives are 2 monk and 1 ranger

Ive noticed some ppl are switching between shuriken and bow use. I never thought of that. I do have another build that uses only shurikens but never thought of using both weapons on the same toon, nor do I fully understand why. I like have weapons specific to certain toons but I would consider using both if it was really worth it.

So is it possible to use my current class and race combination and rebuild a viable toon? I tend to solo mainly because I have been gone so long I dont like being the weak link lol. I would like the toon to be able to handle the tougher content with a group tho eventually.

I think I mainly need help with feat and enhancement choices

Thanks in advance for your expertise

[Vish]

A bow for manyshot and a shuriken for 10 stars
Should be your build can play this way
Tho I've never done it...

If you want solo, I would splash 2 rogue,
But that would require a +5

What I imagine you went ranger and just use a bow?
You use aa and paralyzing arrows?
Go aa tier5, or ninja tier5 for shuri?
Ya I've never ran a bow monk before
Prob weak sauce in this meta, tho I've seen them
What you go 2 pally for saves?
Ya maybe old meta, not done anymore

The pure shuris are supposed to be pretty killer
Idk, I'm going to run one next life
Will be posting that build soon

Let me know if you got any questions

[bruener]

A bow for manyshot and a shuriken for 10 stars
Should be your build can play this way
Tho I've never done it...

If you want solo, I would splash 2 rogue,
But that would require a +5

What I imagine you went ranger and just use a bow?
You use aa and paralyzing arrows?
Go aa tier5, or ninja tier5 for shuri?
Ya I've never ran a bow monk before
Prob weak sauce in this meta, tho I've seen them
What you go 2 pally for saves?
Ya maybe old meta, not done anymore

The pure shuris are supposed to be pretty killer
Idk, I'm going to run one next life
Will be posting that build soon

Let me know if you got any questions

yes i had pally for saves i think. hard to say now. its been so long and i have/had many toons and this isnt my main but it use to be fun and had great survivability and dps. im just not sure if its optimal now with all the changes this game has had. rogue lvls for solo is nice but it was not necessary in the past. is it now? Wouldn't i have to use too hearts of wood? one to get rid of the pally and then wait a week and use another to put in the rogue? only because you cant have 4 different classes? yes i had tier 5 AA and used a bow
pure shuri was fun back when i was playing daily.


thanks for input

[DrawingGuy]

Actually Bow for Manyshot and 10k while the Shuri is used inbetween. Shurikens can have extra throws from Shuri Expertise and Adv Ninja Training meaning that they will almost always get more attacks than your bow between shot skills. However changes to how AA works makes me advise to go either pure Shuri or pure Archer:

- Imbues have been fixed to no longer work with anything other than bows, so if you want them to proc between shot skills, you need to stick with bow

- Imbues have been buffed. Elemental Arrows have had major DPS increases and the other imbues have had DC increases. This means workable PK procs or consistent paralyzing in epics.

- The attack quantity of Manyshot and 10k has been shot in the foot. They supplemented this with Ranged Power and changed it to work with doublestrike instead of against it, but this truly hurt the "fury shot build" as that exploited the large guaranteed quantity of arrows each gaining arrow of slaying damage multiplied by fury. A pure ranger does have the possibility of getting 4 attacks during Manyshot, though it would be at very low chance.

The list of changes go on -- the ranger pass also made Deepwood Stalker a nice tree giving up to 40% doubleshot and some nice big attack moves. The Monk pass gave a good bit more SA die in Ninja Spy. So ultimately the DPS of archers and shuricannons have been increased, but better to go in other trees like Legendary Dreadnaught or Divine Crusader as the 1-shot everything in a line burst from Fury, which while still works(ish), is not the best option for DPS.

Whether you go bow or shuri is up to you. Shuri I'd go heavy Deepwood and Ninja. Bow heavy AA and Deepwood. There are some very solid splits, so if you're looking for something new, I'd suggest browsing the forums. Personally I prefer pure monk for Shuri or pure ranger for AA.

[bruener]

Actually Bow for Manyshot and 10k while the Shuri is used inbetween. Shurikens can have extra throws from Shuri Expertise and Adv Ninja Training meaning that they will almost always get more attacks than your bow between shot skills. However changes to how AA works makes me advise to go either pure Shuri or pure Archer:

- Imbues have been fixed to no longer work with anything other than bows, so if you want them to proc between shot skills, you need to stick with bow

- Imbues have been buffed. Elemental Arrows have had major DPS increases and the other imbues have had DC increases. This means workable PK procs or consistent paralyzing in epics.

- The attack quantity of Manyshot and 10k has been shot in the foot. They supplemented this with Ranged Power and changed it to work with doublestrike instead of against it, but this truly hurt the "fury shot build" as that exploited the large guaranteed quantity of arrows each gaining arrow of slaying damage multiplied by fury. A pure ranger does have the possibility of getting 4 attacks during Manyshot, though it would be at very low chance.

The list of changes go on -- the ranger pass also made Deepwood Stalker a nice tree giving up to 40% doubleshot and some nice big attack moves. The Monk pass gave a good bit more SA die in Ninja Spy. So ultimately the DPS of archers and shuricannons have been increased, but better to go in other trees like Legendary Dreadnaught or Divine Crusader as the 1-shot everything in a line burst from Fury, which while still works(ish), is not the best option for DPS.

Whether you go bow or shuri is up to you. Shuri I'd go heavy Deepwood and Ninja. Bow heavy AA and Deepwood. There are some very solid splits, so if you're looking for something new, I'd suggest browsing the forums. Personally I prefer pure monk for Shuri or pure ranger for AA.

i appreciate that input. i prefer to stay all bow usage on this toon. I already have a shuri thrower. is there much of a benefit going more than 6 lvls ranger? use to be that was all that was really beneficial. i would prefer to keep it with my current split minus the pally lvls as long as its not gimp. if its going to be gimp then i will just tr and start over but if my split works ill just tweak it and keep going

thanks again

[unbongwah]

See my monkcher thread for monk 12 / rgr 6 / ftr 2 build. Swapping ftr for pal costs you two feats, of course; but if you want to be a bow-only monkcher, you would drop any thrown-only feats like Shuriken Expertise and IC:Thrown anyway. If you stick with half-elf, I'd probably take rogue dilettante feat and spend the APs to get 2d6 sneak attack.

[bruener]

See my monkcher thread for monk 12 / rgr 6 / ftr 2 build. Swapping ftr for pal costs you two feats, of course; but if you want to be a bow-only monkcher, you would drop any thrown-only feats like Shuriken Expertise and IC:Thrown anyway. If you stick with half-elf, I'd probably take rogue dilettante feat and spend the APs to get 2d6 sneak attack.

I don’t have any feats towards thrown weapons. This has always been my bow toon.
I’ll check out your build.
Thank you