must be SSG did ok, forum whining at a minimum

[Captain_Wizbang]

I'm not seeing all the hate and flaming. All the nerf this, and SSG ruined my build threads are minimal.
SO that means SSG did a fantastic job with expansion? IMHO YES.

Nice work SSG, Ravenloft and game updates are spot on.

OK, there are always going to be flamers, those people have nada going for them so........

Thanks for keeping Ravenloft true to form. One of the best all time modules, was translated to video better than anyone could have hoped for.

Thanks SSSG

[goldgolem]

They are more responsive than usual, on the forums and proactive in sorting things out. it makes big difference

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Too busy playing Ravenloft content to complain.

It's a good thing

[TitusOvid]

Well, they published content and not so much class or race changes.
There was 'flaming' for the deflection stat b4hand. But they ignored the comments and suggestions. What do you want us to do? Get some forks and siege SSG?

[nokowi]

I'm not seeing all the hate and flaming. All the nerf this, and SSG ruined my build threads are minimal.
SO that means SSG did a fantastic job with expansion? IMHO YES.

Nice work SSG, Ravenloft and game updates are spot on.

OK, there are always going to be flamers, those people have nada going for them so........

Thanks for keeping Ravenloft true to form. One of the best all time modules, was translated to video better than anyone could have hoped for.

Thanks SSSG

The Lynnabel thread had little whining as well, and was overall very positive, which shows that dev responsiveness based on fixing things is likely the key to better forums.

Calling people that are interested in balance or builds whiners - what helps makes the forums negative and is part of the problem. FYI: It is called a discussion if devs engage in conversation.

+1 to devs for responsiveness, having nothing to do with the content.

[Hafeal]

The haters are waiting 'til march to play Ravenloft. So there is a reprieve ...

[Faltout]

I'm not seeing all the hate and flaming. All the nerf this, and SSG ruined my build threads are minimal.
SO that means SSG did a fantastic job with expansion? IMHO YES.

Nice work SSG, Ravenloft and game updates are spot on.

OK, there are always going to be flamers, those people have nada going for them so........

Thanks for keeping Ravenloft true to form. One of the best all time modules, was translated to video better than anyone could have hoped for.

Thanks SSSG

Explanation #1 (most likely): Busy playing Ravenloft which seems to be awesome. Complaining about builds will come back once the mist has settled because the devs did not adjust anything or fixed any bugs.

Explanation #2: Busy finding new bugs instead of complaining about old ones. Funny how many people have brought up long standing bugs thinking they are new because of Ravenloft.

Explanation #3: They have reduced their play time because they did not spend money on ravenloft and half the population is now running ravenloft. This means they don't care anymore and will slowly leave and perhaps return sometime.

Explanation #4 (the correct one): A mix of the above.

In any case, the fact that complaining has stopped is not because the devs did a fantastic job with the expansion and it doesn't mean that all the things players complained about were finally addressed.

However, the expansion has only gotten positive feedback. That feedback is only for the expansion, not for the game as a whole.

[Chai]

100 people.

50 people love "X", 50 people dislike "X"
popularity of "X" = 50%

50 people leave because of "X"
popularity of "X" = 100%
people complaining about "X" = 0%

Yep, all that positivity must mean they did OK...

Dont get me wrong, the art team gets another A for this expansion. Some of the maps that are close to, if not almost exactly from the module are cool. Aside from the nostalgia, most of our team is gone. Show them a decent endgame and perhaps some will return. Build on the expansion rather than invalidate reasons to play in it over the next 12 months.

[caberonia]

Explanation #3: They have reduced their play time because they did not spend money on ravenloft and half the population is now running ravenloft. This means they don't care anymore and will slowly leave and perhaps return sometime.

some people balked at the pricing and are waiting for it to be available with points.. so reduced playtime til march. Reduced user base = reduced input. I would guess to say that many of the people who dropped 130$ on the top tier would have been happy no matter what considering the pricing schemes of the packs.

One can't comment on the quality of something they haven't tried because they don't own. (although some do anyway.. but that's another conversation entirely)

The haters are waiting 'til march to play Ravenloft. So there is a reprieve ...

Another way to look at it lol

[Riddle_of_Steel]

*raises hand*

• Didn't get the expansion (can't comment on it)
• Not playing very much (rather be playing blood bowl II and CIV 5 to be honest right now)

Thus my input (positive and negative) is missing for sure and I expect many are like me.

As far as getting the expansion, I may get it with cash or points or might not bother at all. I am a LONG way away from sitting at cap and really the only thing the expansion seems good for is Sentient weapons. The other gear is OK for the most part but doesn't invalidate the crafted / bound gear I would be using anyway so really there's no carrot for me there. Again I suspect I am not alone here either.

Definitely part of the problem is that many of the players who were "top tier" and tended to care about 2% better this or that or who considered a 5% reduction a huge Nerf have left for the most part. So there's those voices gone as well.

As I expected though the warlocks are getting smacked with the Nerf bat hard (hello deflection) but then again most everyone has probably bought them by now so rather than be upset I am so numb to it by now I barely care. Besides it's not warlock DPS that is the issue, smacking that with the Nerf bat repeatedly is honestly not addressing the issue, it just makes it that much more attractive to splash 8-10 warlock into the build.

So really I don't know if it's well received or simple apathy that makes things so quiet. *Shrugs*

I did note that the devs were very responsive this time around and that honestly has been great, it's better to get in on something (and ahead of it) rather than keep quiet and let it fester and grow. Let's hope it's a huge "lesson learned" and an indication of the sort of support we might hope to see routinely.

[Loholt-UK]

OK, there are always going to be flamers, those people have nada going for them so........

So people who have real problems, such as the freezing bug that this expansion introduced, "have nada going for them" if they complain? That sounds suspiciously like a flame. I think your irony sensor needs readjustment.

[slarden]

SSG exceeded my expectations. I am glad sentient weapons wasn't the grind I thought it would be. I was able to make a 1 tier 7 weapon on one character feeding just things in my backpack characters.

The content is good - I was expecting a bigger increase in difficulty, but it's fine as people can simply increase skull levels for that.

[Kriogen]

There are "guides". No need to run across huge zone if you don't want to.

I do like explorer areas and I like quests. But not both at the same time (curse you Burning City).

[OfElectricMen]

YES.

Nope.

Thanks for keeping Ravenloft true to form.

I'll grant that they kept it true to form.

One of the best all time modules, was translated to video better than anyone could have hoped for.

But it's not "one of the best modules of all time", it's one of the most boring modules of all time (hence, they stayed true to form). Just about any one of the other domains would've been a better choice.

[sk3l3t0r]

hard to whine about something you did not buy ...lol

Learned from past experience, wait for it... once a few hotfix and patches come out and the content gets tested in production a few months then buy with points when it's out in the store.

Nothing was compelling enough to get me to spend at minimum $50 CAD on the lowest bundle that is basically an adventure pack.

[sk3l3t0r]

Nope.
I'll grant that they kept it true to form.

But it's not "one of the best modules of all time", it's one of the most boring modules of all time (hence, they stayed true to form). Just about any one of the other domains would've been a better choice.

Dragonlance would have made me consider purchasing a bundle with cash in the marketplace.

[masterofthewand]

Dragonlance would have made me consider purchasing a bundle with cash in the marketplace.

I enjoyed dragonlance years ago but its really a stand alone campaign (no multiverse), it would have been a bad choice like darksun.

Ravenloft is a great choice because it can exist in any campaign, and I don't know what ppl are talking about saying its a bad module... What?... Don't be annoying...

Planescape is another campaign that would work great because it ties together all other worlds and planes of existence, that's what I would like to see next.

[sk3l3t0r]

I enjoyed dragonlance years ago but its really a stand alone campaign (no multiverse), it would have been a bad choice like darksun.
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Tiamat / Takhisis existed in multiple worlds as different avatars, at least that is how I always interpreted their existence back in the mid to late 70s when I first started with AD&D v1, besides that's what the hall of Heroes is for...DDO is so far disconnected from any version of D&D / AD&D I ever played that it would not be a stretch for me.

[Yamani]

Yes it is pretty good, the ones complaining about bugs are just the ones who dont get on lamania to help test too :P I've come to the point to accept bugs and work around them until they get fixed.

[Riddle_of_Steel]

Yes it is pretty good, the ones complaining about bugs are just the ones who dont get on lamania to help test too :P I've come to the point to accept bugs and work around them until they get fixed.

That could not be more wrong. Most often the ones complaining the worst at the beginning are complaining BECAUSE they caught it on Lammania and it didn't get addressed before going live.

Very VERY few bugs found in lammania, particularily the last lammania before going live ever get addressed until the post-live patches. biggest example of that is the old Dupapolooza that was 100% for sure reported by Lammania testers and not only did it go live they kept it in the game so long I am sure it was because of bag and pot sales going up. My personal opinion is they plugged that hole once it stopped gushing money

Personally it's the reason I stopped bothering with lammania (though I did 2 more releases after dupapolooza), at the end of the day all it was doing was ruining my "first time" experience with new content.