Battle Cleric Sword/Shield Build

[CaptainAman]

Hello DDO peeps

I am a fairly new DDO player and I am searching for a cleric build that involves shield and bastard sword. I want the build to be 15/4/1 cleric/pally/fighter. I have found axels build with the 2hander. What I need help with is the feats placement order for the shield/bastard Sword and other feats. I am willing to give up some dps for more tankness.

Thanks for any help and suggestions!

[unbongwah]

I've mulled S&B clerics since domains came out and the least bad option IMO:

Class split: ftr 6 / cleric 14 (War domain) - ftr for feats and access to trees, cleric for healing (duh) and Holy Sword
Race: PDK for extra feat and access to Helm (free b.sword prof); dwarf using d.axes would be okay too and opens TYWA for max gimp- err, "flavor"
Stats: STR 18 / CON 16 / CHA 16 on 36-pt build (tweak as necessary)
Feats: mix of melee DPS, shield feats, and healing metamagics (Emp Heal etc.)
Enhancements: baseline is 32 APs Radiant Servant (aura) / 13 Stalwart D. (Tenacious Defense) / 11 Vanguard (lvl 6 core for +5% attack speed), leaving 24 APs free.

[Selvera]

6 fighter/14 cleric is an option

8 fighter/12 cleric will be a bit better at fighting but a bit less cleric-y. Surprising isn't it?

22 points warpriest for Divine Might, Ameliorating Strike and Righteous weapons, and permanent blur.
34 points Kensai for +1/+1 critical profile, melee power and lots of damage
11 points Vanguard for 5% attack speed
13 points Stalwart Defender for 20% HP and 10+15 PRR and MRR

This allows you to take any domain, protection looks like a decent choice, war is still a good option, animal also looks good.

[GreenBastred]

Human 14 Cleric/6 Fighter S&B for Joey Peeps
War Domain for Proficiency with all weapons

(28 Point)
Strength 16
Dexterity 8
Constitution 14
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 10
Charisma 14

All level ups into Strength.

Skills: Jump, Heal, Use Magic Device (UMD), Perform (For Sound Burst if you want to use the Spell)

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting (For Glancing Blows while using a Bastard Sword or Dwarven Axe only for up to 30% damage on surrounding targets etc)

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery (Large Shield Best to use overall)

Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell

Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow

Level 5 (Cleric)

Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Bash

Level 7 (Cleric)

Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting (For Glancing Blows while using a Bastard Sword or Dwarven Axe only for up to 40% damage on surrounding targets etc)

Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell

Level 10 (Fighter)

Level 11 (Cleric)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

Level 13 (Cleric)

Level 14 (Cleric)

Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 16 (Cleric)

Level 17 (Cleric)

Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting (For Glancing Blows while using a Bastard Sword or Dwarven Axe only for up to 50% damage on surrounding targets etc)

Level 19 (Cleric)

Level 20 (Cleric)

A tank means some of your AP in Fighter Stalwart Defender (26 AP) and some into Vanguard for Stunning Shield (14 AP) to go with Stunning Blow. Kensai 4 AP for haste boost.

Cleric Radiant Servant (32 AP) for Aura and Positive Energy Burst.
Cleric War Priest for Divine Might (4 APs)

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This game requires a lot of learning compared to most MMOs and the Forums is loaded with great information from a lot of generous people.

Good Luck

[Vish]

Hello DDO peeps

I am a fairly new DDO player and I am searching for a cleric build that involves shield and bastard sword. I want the build to be 15/4/1 cleric/pally/fighter. I have found axels build with the 2hander. What I need help with is the feats placement order for the shield/bastard Sword and other feats. I am willing to give up some dps for more tankness.

Thanks for any help and suggestions!

Hi, ok hope you have 32 pt
Go war domain for exotics
15/4/1
Ln human
Str 15 +7
Dex 12
Con 14
Int 10
Wis 12
Cha 15
Umd heal jump

1 cleric empower heal
Feat extend
2 cleric go Aureon for blessing with turns
3 Cleric shield mastery
4-5 cleric exotic weapons bastard sword
6 pally thf
7-8 pally
9 cleric quicken
10-12 cleric ic slash
13 pally +20% hp tier4
14-15 cleric imp shield mastery
16-18 cleric ithf holy sword
19 ftr gthf
20 cleric

Ok I build this with both thf and shield
You're new you can experiment
Thf gives you melee power
War domain gives you bastard sword
Go cleric to 5 for exotics, during this time find groups to heal, you won't have any dps
Then sword and board bastard sword
At 5 cure serious wounds, use empower healing on it
6-8 go pally for sacred d prr mrr and hit points
Wear heavy armor
Then it's cleric to 18 for holy sword
19 ftr to complete gthf
20 to complete build
If you roll over at 20, you won't see last 2 levels usually
Build is good to 18 for basic s&b cleric
Could go dragonborn if you got other races
Good luck

Edit
If 28 pt take a point off str and cha
Also all level ups in str

[CaptainAman]

First off I would like to Thank each of you for taking the time to post on my request. So Thank You!

I do have the 32 point build. I think how I was experimenting and such Vish has the build that I am looking for. I will give it a try if not well I have more options to try

[GreenBastred]

First off I would like to Thank each of you for taking the time to post on my request. So Thank You!

I do have the 32 point build. I think how I was experimenting and such Vish has the build that I am looking for. I will give it a try if not well I have more options to try

Mine is superior in every way conceivable

[unbongwah]

EDIT: War domain proficiency apparently fixed.

Mine is superior in every way conceivable

Except for saves: pal 4 means Divine Grace provides up to 2 + (3 * 4) = +14 to saves (CHA 38). Also provides Lay on Hands which would be used to power Light the Dark for epic heals.

[Vish]

Hey u,
They patched exotic weapons, last patch
Haven't tested, but assume , their second try

Op,
Glad you like the build
Wrote it off top of my head,
But stats should be good,
Maybe switch 2 pts dex into 2 pts int
So you have 3 skill points
I assume you don't have tomes?
My best advice, buy +6 supreme,
If you intend to stay,
Best investment other than VIP

[unbongwah]

My build looks a lot like GreenBastred's:

PDK Radiant Tank
14/6 Cleric/Fighter
Neutral Good Purple Dragon Knight


Level Order

1. Fighter         6. Cleric         11. Fighter        16. Cleric
2. Cleric          7. Cleric         12. Cleric         17. Fighter
3. Cleric          8. Cleric         13. Fighter        18. Cleric
4. Cleric          9. Cleric         14. Cleric         19. Fighter
5. Cleric         10. Cleric         15. Fighter        20. Cleric


Stats
               32pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        16       +2       4: STR
Dexterity        8       +2       8: STR
Constitution    16       +2      12: STR
Intelligence    10       +2      16: STR
Wisdom           8       +2      20: STR
Charisma        16       +2      24: STR
                                 28: STR

Skills
          F  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  F  C  F  C  F  C  F  C  F  C
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Heal         3  3  1  1  1     2     2     2     2     2     2     2  23
Intim     4                             4     4     4     4     2  1  23
UMD                1  1     2     2        1     1     1     1  1     11
Balance   1              1     1     1                                 4
Jump      4                                                            4
Tumble    1                                                            1
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         12  3  3  3  3  3  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4


Feats

 1        : Cleave
 1 PDK    : Shield Mastery
 1 Fighter: Power Attack
 3        : Quicken Spell
 6        : Great Cleave
 9        : Empower Healing Spell
11 Fighter: Improved Critical: Slashing
12        : Improved Shield Mastery
15        : Two Handed Fighting
15 Fighter: Improved Two Handed Fighting
18        : Maximize Spell OR Improved Shield Bash
19 Fighter: Greater Two Handed Fighting
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Intensify Spell OR Stunning Blow
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting OR Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Empower Spell OR Bulwark of Defense
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea OR Celestia

 3 Cleric : War Domain

 2 Deity  : Follower of: Helm
 7 Deity  : Ever Watchful


Enhancements (80 AP)

Radiant Servant (32 AP)
Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst, Improved Empower Healing
Extra Turning III, Wand Mastery III, Altruism III
Improved Turning III
Intense Healing III, Unyielding Sovereignty
Endless Turning III
Positive Energy Aura

Vanguard (16 AP)
To the Fore!, Shield Combat I, Vicious Shield I
Shield Smash III, Unbalancing Shove I
Stunning Shield III, Missile Shield I
Follow Up III, Fatal Bulwark

Stalwart Defender (14 AP)
Toughness, Stalwart Defense, Overbalance
Item Defense I, Durable Defense III
Resilient Defense III, Instinctive Defense I
Tenacious Defense III

Kensei (11 AP)
Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought
Weapon Group Specialization, Exotic Weapon Mastery, Haste Boost III
Ascetic Training: Conditioning I

Warpriest (4 AP)
Smite Foe
Divine Might III

Purple Dragon Knight (3 AP)
Damage Boost
Improved Recovery

Leveling Guide

Purple Dragon Knight: Damage Boost
Improved Recovery

Kensei: Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades
Haste Boost III

Stalwart Defender: Toughness, Stalwart Defense
Item Defense I, Durable Defense III
Resilient Defense III, Instinctive Defense I
Tenacious Defense III

Warpriest: Smite Foe
Divine Might III

Radiant Servant: Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst
Extra Turning III, Altruism III
Improved Turning III
Intense Healing III, Unyielding Sovereignty
Endless Turning III

Vanguard: To the Fore!, Shield Combat I
Shield Smash III, Unbalancing Shove I
15. Rad1 Wand Mastery I, II, III; Van2 Stunning Shield I
16. Rad0 Improved Empower Healing; Rad5 Positive Energy Aura; Van2 Stunning Shield II
17. Van2 Stunning Shield III; Van2 Missile Shield I; Van3 Fatal Bulwark
18. Van3 Follow Up I, II; Ken1 Weapon Group Specialization
19. Ken1 Exotic Weapon Mastery; Ken0 Spiritual Bond; Ken2 Ascetic Training: Conditioning I
20. Ken0 Strike with No Thought; SD0 Overbalance; Van0 Vicious Shield I; Van3 Follow Up III


Destiny (24 AP)

Divine Crusader
Endless Turning III, Interrogation, Purge the Wicked
Consecration III, Flames of Purity I
Sacred Ground, Empyrean Magic, Blessed Blades
No Regret, Crusade
Castigation, Celestial Champion
Strike Down

Twists of Fate (14 fate points)
Renewal (Tier 3 Sentinel)
Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)
Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Sentinel)

Is there a better heroic leveling order? Enh, probably. Do I care enough to figure it out? Enh, probably not.

In terms of feats, there's some options based on whether you want more melee DPS, more metamagics for better heals (mostly from radiant bursts), or better defenses.

Since this is a first-life build, I tried not to get too crazy with the ED stuff. Legendary SM is the only must-have Twist, IMO, which only requires 3 Fate pts to unlock.

In this case, SwNT is for the extra doublestrike from the Kensei cores, not for the +1 crit multiplier, which doesn't stack with Holy Sword. Feel free to ditch Kensei for more Stalwart D, VG, or WP APs. EDIT: I considered taking Ameliorating Strike, but didn't think it left enough APs for other things. Feel free to experiment, though, with e.g. 32 RS / 22 WP / 13 SD / 13 VG.

[GreenBastred]

In this case, SwNT is for the extra doublestrike from the Kensei cores, not for the +1 crit multiplier, which doesn't stack with Holy Sword. Feel free to ditch Kensei for more Stalwart D, VG, or WP APs. EDIT: I considered taking Ameliorating Strike, but didn't think it left enough APs for other things. Feel free to experiment, though, with e.g. 32 RS / 22 WP / 13 SD / 13 VG.

Yeah, its all about finding the Healing play style you like and i get bored very fast. I would take War Priest Ameliorating Strike and take Stalwart Defender Tier 5 Block and Cut with Reprisal for 25% double Strike for some synergy after firing up Divine Might and Haste Boost.

I think you can get a decent Aura Burst and extra turns to keep the cost down to 16 APs in RS raising your Cleric level with Intense Healing. Maximize for using Burst as a weapon against undead etc.

Or scrap RS completely and put the points into 3 Levels of Wizard for some nice defensive enhancements from EK tree. 11 Cleric/3 Wizard/6 Fighter with Strength Domain and Force of Personality feat for Charisma to Will Saves. Maybe even scrap all APs from Cleric Enhancements and go beast offensive tank with Quicken feat Healing Domain 14 Cleric/ 6 Fighter.

Just spit balling some ideas i have for my next build.

Its all good

[unbongwah]

My thinking was having both auras and Ameliorating Strike would mean plenty of passive free heals which don't interrupt your melee DPS; so you only have to pause your fighting for big burst heals. The downside is RS aura + WP AS is 54 APs, which leaves only 26 to spend and on this build I'd want at least 13 APs SD for Durable+Tenacious Defense (+25 PRR/MRR +20% HPs) and 11 APs VG for the cores (+5% atk speed +20% shield bash), which uhhh doesn't leave much wiggle room. And this is an instance where extra racial APs doesn't help much, since I'm constrained by the class-only APs.

Yes you could go with a deeper MC and skip RS auras and blah blah blah; but I'm inferring the OP's goal is "party healer + melee DPS + S&B tank-y-ness" in roughly that order of importance, so that's what I tried to build towards.

[GreenBastred]

Yes you could go with a deeper MC and skip RS auras and blah blah blah; but I'm inferring the OP's goal is "party healer + melee DPS + S&B tank-y-ness" in roughly that order of importance, so that's what I tried to build towards.

Yes for advice to a new player it is best to learn everything about the cleric and having all forms of healing with some CC (crowd control) through stuns and other Cleric spells you have covered the gambit.

Kensai is nice for damage and some Vanguard has some nice additions too. Im amazed how much damage is in Kensai and Vanguard usually unreachable by clerics.

[hombokai]

Hi, ok hope you have 32 pt
Go war domain for exotics
15/4/1
Ln human

How did you get a LN paladin? XD

[CaptainAman]

unbongwah

I have gone ahead and am experimenting with your build and it has super succeeded my expectations I will have to say you know your information very well. So once again Thank YOU for posting information and builds.


I am inquiring WHY though 2 handed fighting when using a sword / shield build? I don't understand the mechanics behind it specially when I read the feats for 2 handed fighting. If you could explain the reasoning behind it so I may understand even more.

Thanks Again!!!

[GreenBastred]

Greater Two Handed Fighting (For Glancing Blows while using a Bastard Sword or Dwarven Axe only for up to 50% damage on surrounding targets etc)

Lots to learn

Edit: The three Feats Two Handed Fighting line adds 10%x3 +20% from the weapon itself. The glancing blows work on 2 Handed Weapons, Bastard Sword and Dwarven Axes only for 1 handed weapons.
Perfect Two Handed Fighting is the 4th feat in the line for an additional +10%.

Also a chance to produce weapon effect (Fire etc)
None just weapon 0%
Two Handed Fighting +3%
Improved Two Handed Fighting +3%
Greater Two Handed Fighting +3%
Perfect Two Handed Fighting +10% (Can be taken in Epic Destiny level 26 or 28 with out the other THF feats taken)

Glancing Blows also register during Cleave attacks. Its a lot of extra damage and well worth the feats.

You can also fight with 2 Handed Weapon when you want to in easier content for a lot more hit power.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Glancing_blow

[unbongwah]

I am inquiring WHY though 2 handed fighting when using a sword / shield build?

Bastard swords and dwarven axes get glancing blows when single-wielded (i.e., S&B or SWF). For more details, read the wiki page GreenBastred linked.

[Vish]

How did you get a LN paladin? XD

These would be the new paladins they're introducing with ravenloft.

They're inching towards evil...


Actually,
It comes from too many past life's running a monk
And always being considerate of litany,
The new quarter staves too, they're evil.
But I went cleric first, forgot the pally part.