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[Deivonte]

Only Difference is the enhancements

Staff and Chain or Hard Staffed
18/2 Rogue/Monk
Lawful Good Shadar-kai


Level Order

1. Rogue. . . . . .6. Rogue. . . . . 11. Rogue. . . . . 16. Rogue
2. Monk. . . . . . 7. Rogue . . . . .12. Rogue . . . . .17. Rogue
3. Rogue. . . . . .8. Monk. . . . . .13. Rogue . . . . .18. Rogue
4. Rogue. . . . . .9. Rogue. . . . . 14. Rogue. . . . . 19. Rogue
5. Rogue. . . . . 10. Rogue. . . . . 15. Rogue. . . . . 20. Rogue


Stats
. . . . . . . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 13. . . .+5. . . .4: DEX
Dexterity . . . 18. . . .+3. . . .8: DEX
Constitution. . 16. . . .+3. . . 12: DEX
Intelligence. . 14. . . .+3. . . 16: DEX
Wisdom. . . . . 10. . . .+3. . . 20: DEX
Charisma. . . . .9. . . .+3. . . 24: DEX
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: DEX

Skills
. . . . . R. M .R .R .R .R .R .M. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R
. . . . . 1. 2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Disable . 4. 1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Open Lo . 4. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 . . 2. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Search. . 4. 1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Spot. . . 4. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 . . 1. 1. 2. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Bluff . . 4. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 . . 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Balance . 4. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 1. 23
Jump. . . 4. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 . . 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Tumble. . 4. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 . . 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 1. 1. 23
UMD . . . 4. 1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Diplo . . 4. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 . . 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 22
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .40. 6 10 10 10 10 10. 7 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11
. . . . .40. 6 10 10 10 10 11. 7 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11


Feats

.1. . . . : Dodge
.2 Monk . : Power Attack
.3. . . . : Cleave
.6. . . . : Adept of Forms
.8 Monk . : Two Handed Fighting
.9. . . . : Great Cleave
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
12 Rogue. : Opportunist
15. . . . : Master of Forms
15 Rogue. : Defensive Roll
18. . . . : Improved Two Handed Fighting
18 Rogue. : Slippery Mind
21 Epic . : Grandmaster of Forms
24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic . : Greater Two Handed Fighting
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
29 Destiny: Dire Charge
30 Epic . : Toughness
30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane


Enhancements (80 AP)

Thief-Acrobat (46 AP)

• Staff Control, Stick Fighting, Tumbler, Kip Up, Cartwheel Charge
  1. Acrobat Staff Training, Thief Acrobatics III, Fast Movement
  2. Acrobat Staff Training, Quick Strike III, Haste Boost III
  3. Acrobat Staff Training, Shadow Dodge III, Sweeping Strikes III
  4. Improved Defensive Roll III, Staff Lunge III
  5. Staff Specialization, Spinning Staff Wall, Vault

Shadar-kai (21 AP)

• Shadar-kai Grit, Dexterity
  1. Spiked Chain Attack, Keen Senses III
  2. Vicious Chain, Improved Dodge III, Guile
  3. Slashing Chain, Forceful Chain, Guile
  4. Whirling Chain, Nothing Is Hidden III

Assassin (13 AP)

• Knife in the Darkness
  1. Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy II
  2. Venomed Blades III, Bleed Them Out III, Sneak Attack Training

Enhancements 2 (80 AP)

Thief-Acrobat (46 AP)

• Staff Control, Stick Fighting, Tumbler, Kip Up, Cartwheel Charge
  1. Acrobat Staff Training, Thief Acrobatics III, Fast Movement
  2. Acrobat Staff Training, Quick Strike III, Haste Boost III
  3. Acrobat Staff Training, Shadow Dodge III, Sweeping Strikes III
  4. Improved Defensive Roll III, Staff Lunge III
  5. Staff Specialization, Spinning Staff Wall, Vault

Assassin (26 AP)

• Knife in the Darkness
  1. Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy II
  2. Venomed Blades III, Bleed Them Out III, Sneak Attack Training, Damage Boost III
  3. Critical Mastery III, Sneak Attack Training
  4. Execute, Killer III

Mechanic (8 AP)

• Arbalester
  1. Mechanics III, Awareness I
  2. Wand and Scroll Mastery III

Destiny (24 AP)

Divine Crusader

1. Bane of Undeath, Interrogation, Purge the Wicked
2. Consecration III, Flames of Purity I
3. Sacred Ground, Blessed Blades
4. No Regret, Crusade
5. Castigation, Heavenly Presence, Celestial Champion
6. Strike Down

Twists of Fate (15 fate points)

1. Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
2. Dance of Flowers (Tier 1 Flowers)
3. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)

On a side note, i would put one point into both Henshin and Shintao cores, for a 10 melee power, 3 prr and 10 heal amp.

[Searious]

At lvl 26 - is the PTWF helpful for the staff build?
Also - while on the subject, can you still stack acrobat staff training and henshen staff training both to tier 3? And is it worth it?

I like this build - was looking at this kind of stuff last week.

[unbongwah]

At lvl 26 - is the PTWF helpful for the staff build?

The +5% doublestrike bonus from PTWF is universal so it's helpful to all melee builds.

[Deivonte]

A could of notes after playing with the build for a while.

• This build has a very low innate PPR, so buy sheltering items early or let someone go in first, otherwise you will be spending a lot on heal scrolls.
  
• This build works really well while in Divine Crusader or Legendary Dreadnought, but if you do go Divine Crusader please note that its really eas to get over 100% doublestrike and that unlike doubleshot, doublestrike does NOT loop around to give you a third strike when over 100%.
  
• Doublestrike doesn't seem to work on cleave attacks. IDK if this a quarterstaff issue, or if its a universal issue, but its there.

[Deivonte]

Also - while on the subject, can you still stack acrobat staff training and henshen staff training both to tier 3? And is it worth it?

I like this build - was looking at this kind of stuff last week.

Yes you can stack Henshin Mystic and Acrobat staff training, but i believe that the 20% doublestrike from killer is more important.

On a side note, i would put one point into both Henshin and Shintao cores, for a 10 melee power, 3 prr and 10 heal amp.

[unbongwah]

• Doublestrike doesn't seem to work on cleave attacks. IDK if this a quarterstaff issue, or if its a universal issue, but its there.

WAI (for better or for worse). Doublestrike only applies to unarmed Cleave attacks.

Sneak attacks will apply to Cleave atks if targets are vulnerable; so consider adding Improved Feint which functions as an AoE bluff and no longer requires Combat Expertise.

[adrian69]

i believe that the 20% doublestrike from killer is more important.

Killer and Quick Strike are both morale bonuses. Both have their up and downsides, but I thinking having both is a waste of 3 AP.

[Deivonte]

Killer and Quick Strike are both morale bonuses. Both have their up and downsides, but I thinking having both is a waste of 3 AP.

Didn't notice that. Thanks!

[unbongwah]

Killer and Quick Strike are both morale bonuses. Both have their up and downsides, but I thinking having both is a waste of 3 AP.

QS has 10-sec duration 12-sec CD; i.e., there's 2 seconds of downtime. Killer is persistent but stacks expire over time. Having both is a way of keeping morale bonus as close to 100% uptime as possible and is worth 3 extra APs, IMO.

On a pure rogue Acrobat, I think something like this would work well:

Human Acrobat
Rogue 20
True Neutral Human


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        13       +4       4: DEX
Dexterity       18       +4       8: DEX
Constitution    13       +4      12: DEX
Intelligence    16       +4      16: DEX
Wisdom           8       +4      20: DEX
Charisma         8       +4      24: DEX
                                 28: DEX

Feats

 1        : Power Attack
 1 Human  : Cleave
 3        : Improved Feint OR Completionist
 6        : Great Cleave
 9        : Two Handed Fighting
12        : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
15        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
18        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
21 Epic   : Improved Sneak Attack
24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Precision
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting OR Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Past Life: Rogue OR Epic Damage Reduction
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane

10 Rogue  : Defensive Roll
13 Rogue  : Opportunist
16 Rogue  : Improved Evasion
19 Rogue  : Crippling Strike OR Skill Mastery


Enhancements (80 AP)

Thief-Acrobat (43 AP)
Staff Control, Stick Fighting, Tumbler, Kip Up, Cartwheel Charge, Followthrough
Acrobat Staff Training, Thief Acrobatics III, Fast Movement
Acrobat Staff Training, Quick Strike III
Acrobat Staff Training, Sweeping Strikes III
Acrobat Staff Training, Improved Defensive Roll III, No Mercy III, Staff Lunge I
Acrobat Staff Training, Staff Specialization, Spinning Staff Wall, Vault

Assassin (26 AP)
Knife in the Darkness, Dagger in the Back, Assassin's Trick, Nimbleness
Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy III
Venomed Blades III, Sneak Attack Training, Damage Boost III
Sneak Attack Training, Dexterity
Killer III, Sneak Attack Training

Harper Agent (8 AP)
Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Traveler's Toughness II
Versatile Adept III

Human (3 AP)
Damage Boost
Improved Recovery


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought
Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack
Lay Waste, Haste Boost III
(none)
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Pulverizer

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Sentinel)

For rog 18 / monk 2, a few tweaks are helpful; if nothing else, 1 AP Henshin is +10 MP.

[DaLooza]

Sneak attacks will apply to Cleave atks if targets are vulnerable; so consider adding Improved Feint which functions as an AoE bluff and no longer requires Combat Expertise.

Improved Feint is still buggy, is it not? Last I had in on my rogue, it rarely worked; like the wiki says on it, any action taken immediately after IF completely disregards it. I tried it in combination with cleaves, but never got the bluff effect (animations take up most of the time for it, iirc, so I would use IF then cleaves right after, like I would with bluff). So I basically wasted time when I could've just bluffed the most threatening mob and then proceed to go cleave-happy. This was a probably well over a year ago, but wiki states the issue is still there.