Viable Earth Savant?

[bill_99]

This is my first time posting on the forums, although I've been reading them for quite some time (ever since I started playing DDO).

I currently have a toon (Shiansu on Thelanis) and wanted to try out an Earth Savant sorcerer. Unfortunately, I've only seen bad things from other posts on the forums and I was wondering if the below build would be viable for running an EPL or two. I tend to mostly run EH level if I'm soloing, but would like to also be able to pull my weight in PUGs where I do EE or lower skull Reaper content.

The idea behind this build: Web, Hold, or have mobs dancing while covering them in layers of acid storms/cloudkill etc and ice storms (much like a caster druid would stand in their own personal storm). And, since this would be an Enchantment/Conjuration focused build, have DoTs for good boss beating power.

I only add in the paladin because I'm not planning on buying a +1 Heart.



Any suggestions and changes would be highly appreciated

As a side note, I have all Destinies maxed, but I have yet to decide what Destiny I will run in. I would also appreciate any feedback to a suggested destiny.


Shiansu
18/2 Sorcerer/Paladin
Lawful Good Bladeforged


Level Order

1. Paladin 6. Sorcerer 11. Sorcerer 16. Sorcerer
2. Sorcerer 7. Sorcerer 12. Sorcerer 17. Sorcerer
3. Sorcerer 8. Sorcerer 13. Sorcerer 18. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer 9. Sorcerer 14. Sorcerer 19. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer 10. Sorcerer 15. Sorcerer 20. Paladin


Stats
36pt Tome Level Up
---- ---- --------
Strength 8 +5 4: CHA
Dexterity 6 +5 8: CHA
Constitution 20 +5 12: CHA
Intelligence 12 +5 16: CHA
Wisdom 6 +5 20: CHA
Charisma 18 +5 24: CHA
28: CHA

Feats

1 : Force of Personality
1 Deity : Follower of: Lord of Blades
3 : Empower Spell
6 : Maximize Spell
9 : Past Life: Wizard
12 : Completionist
15 : Spell Focus: Enchantment
18 : Spell Penetration
21 Epic : Greater Spell Penetration
24 Epic : Epic Spell Penetration
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Acid
27 Epic : Intensify Spell
28 Destiny: Hellball
29 Destiny: Arcane Pulse30 Epic : Ruin
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth


Spells

Sorcerer
1. Charm Person, Magic Missile, Protection from Evil, Nightshield
2. Blur, False Life, Web, Glitterdust
3. Acid Blast, Chain Missiles, Displacement, Haste
4. Acid Rain, Dimension Door, Repair Critical Damage, Ice Storm
5. Cloudkill, Niac's Biting Cold, Eladar's Electric Surge, Hold Monster
6. Disintegrate, Acid Fog, Greater Heroism
7. Mass Hold Person, Otto's Sphere of Dancing, Banishment
8. Black Dragon Bolt, Sunburst
9. Mass Hold Monster

Enhancements (80 AP)

Earth Savant (31 AP)
• Earth Savant, Earth Affinity, Greater Earth Affinity, Crumbling, One With Stone
1. Acid Spray III, Spell Critical, Erosion III
2. Spell Critical, Devouring Earth III
3. Spell Penetration, Spell Critical, Charisma
4. Acid Arrow III, Spell Critical, Charisma

Water Savant (22 AP)
• Water Savant, Water Affinity, Greater Water Affinity
1. Cold Ray III, Spell Critical, Hoarfrost III
2. Spell Critical, Absolute Zero III
3. Spell Penetration, Spell Critical, Charisma

Bladeforged (12 AP)
• Improved Fortification
1. Mechanist I, Inscribed Armor III
2. Communion of Scribing III

Eldritch Knight (Sorcerer) (7 AP)
• Eldritch Strike
1. Improved Mage Armor III, Toughness III

Sacred Defender (4 AP)
• Holy Bastion
1. Extra Lay On Hands III

Harper Agent (4 AP)
• Agent of Good I
1. Harper Enchantment, Traveler's Toughness I

[Rush007]

This is my first time posting on the forums, although I've been reading them for quite some time (ever since I started playing DDO).

I currently have a toon (Shiansu on Thelanis) and wanted to try out an Earth Savant sorcerer. Unfortunately, I've only seen bad things from other posts on the forums and I was wondering if the below build would be viable for running an EPL or two. I tend to mostly run EH level if I'm soloing, but would like to also be able to pull my weight in PUGs where I do EE or lower skull Reaper content.

The idea behind this build: Web, Hold, or have mobs dancing while covering them in layers of acid storms/cloudkill etc and ice storms (much like a caster druid would stand in their own personal storm). And, since this would be an Enchantment/Conjuration focused build, have DoTs for good boss beating power.

I only add in the paladin because I'm not planning on buying a +1 Heart.



Any suggestions and changes would be highly appreciated

As a side note, I have all Destinies maxed, but I have yet to decide what Destiny I will run in. I would also appreciate any feedback to a suggested destiny.


Shiansu
18/2 Sorcerer/Paladin
Lawful Good Bladeforged


Level Order

1. Paladin 6. Sorcerer 11. Sorcerer 16. Sorcerer
2. Sorcerer 7. Sorcerer 12. Sorcerer 17. Sorcerer
3. Sorcerer 8. Sorcerer 13. Sorcerer 18. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer 9. Sorcerer 14. Sorcerer 19. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer 10. Sorcerer 15. Sorcerer 20. Paladin


Stats
36pt Tome Level Up
---- ---- --------
Strength 8 +5 4: CHA
Dexterity 6 +5 8: CHA
Constitution 20 +5 12: CHA
Intelligence 12 +5 16: CHA
Wisdom 6 +5 20: CHA
Charisma 18 +5 24: CHA
28: CHA

Feats

1 : Force of Personality
1 Deity : Follower of: Lord of Blades
3 : Empower Spell
6 : Maximize Spell
9 : Past Life: Wizard
12 : Completionist
15 : Spell Focus: Enchantment
18 : Spell Penetration
21 Epic : Greater Spell Penetration
24 Epic : Epic Spell Penetration
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Acid
27 Epic : Intensify Spell
28 Destiny: Hellball
29 Destiny: Arcane Pulse30 Epic : Ruin
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth


Spells

Sorcerer
1. Charm Person, Magic Missile, Protection from Evil, Nightshield
2. Blur, False Life, Web, Glitterdust
3. Acid Blast, Chain Missiles, Displacement, Haste
4. Acid Rain, Dimension Door, Repair Critical Damage, Ice Storm
5. Cloudkill, Niac's Biting Cold, Eladar's Electric Surge, Hold Monster
6. Disintegrate, Acid Fog, Greater Heroism
7. Mass Hold Person, Otto's Sphere of Dancing, Banishment
8. Black Dragon Bolt, Sunburst
9. Mass Hold Monster

Enhancements (80 AP)

Earth Savant (31 AP)
• Earth Savant, Earth Affinity, Greater Earth Affinity, Crumbling, One With Stone
1. Acid Spray III, Spell Critical, Erosion III
2. Spell Critical, Devouring Earth III
3. Spell Penetration, Spell Critical, Charisma
4. Acid Arrow III, Spell Critical, Charisma

Water Savant (22 AP)
• Water Savant, Water Affinity, Greater Water Affinity
1. Cold Ray III, Spell Critical, Hoarfrost III
2. Spell Critical, Absolute Zero III
3. Spell Penetration, Spell Critical, Charisma

Bladeforged (12 AP)
• Improved Fortification
1. Mechanist I, Inscribed Armor III
2. Communion of Scribing III

Eldritch Knight (Sorcerer) (7 AP)
• Eldritch Strike
1. Improved Mage Armor III, Toughness III

Sacred Defender (4 AP)
• Holy Bastion
1. Extra Lay On Hands III

Harper Agent (4 AP)
• Agent of Good I
1. Harper Enchantment, Traveler's Toughness I

#1 drop force of personality - bladeforged comes with some protections from will spells and it isn't a very problematic save the free feat space move everything down which will help with #2

#2 pick up master of earth at 24, move epic spell penetration to 21

#3 drop spell focus enchantment for spell focus conjuration - will saves are low compared to fort and reflex, opens up possibility of twisting 5 conjuration DC

#4 drop extra lay hands enhancements, with 2 paladin levels will not heal for alot

#5 drop past life wizard for heighten - past life is only 1 dc, heighten is needed for webs, acid spray, acid burst, otto's dancing sphere, holds, etc

#6 destiny draconic or exalted angel, since your a robot leaning more toward draconic

[unbongwah]

OP can't take a metamagic at lvl 1, so I would recommend Adamantine Body instead of FoP. Load up on enough ASF reduction from racial and EK trees.

Why did you skip tier-5 Earth Savant?

[adrian69]

#1 drop force of personality - bladeforged comes with some protections from will spells and it isn't a very problematic save the free feat space move everything down which will help with #2

#2 pick up master of earth at 24, move epic spell penetration to 21

#3 drop spell focus enchantment for spell focus conjuration - will saves are low compared to fort and reflex, opens up possibility of twisting 5 conjuration DC

#4 drop extra lay hands enhancements, with 2 paladin levels will not heal for alot

#5 drop past life wizard for heighten - past life is only 1 dc, heighten is needed for webs, acid spray, acid burst, otto's dancing sphere, holds, etc

#6 destiny draconic or exalted angel, since your a robot leaning more toward draconic

Probably will not be too bad, just looking at it on paper, but paper and practice are 2 completely separate things.

Def. pick up Adamantine vs FoP and LoH heals will suck as the above said. Draconic will probably be better, but you should try them both.

[unbongwah]

If you have enough Fate pts to twist Acid Energy Burst, then Magister is preferable IMO for Master of Conjuration (+3 CL/MCL, tier-5 so it can't be Twisted). If you don't have enough Fate pts, I would probably stick with Draconic because who wants to play an epic sorc w/out Energy Burst?

EDIT: just want to practice with the latest builder.

BF Earth Savant
18/2 Sorcerer/Paladin
Lawful Good Bladeforged


Level Order

1. Paladin         6. Sorcerer       11. Sorcerer       16. Sorcerer
2. Sorcerer        7. Sorcerer       12. Sorcerer       17. Sorcerer
3. Sorcerer        8. Sorcerer       13. Sorcerer       18. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer        9. Sorcerer       14. Sorcerer       19. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer       10. Sorcerer       15. Sorcerer       20. Paladin


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength         8       +5       4: CHA
Dexterity        6       +5       8: CHA
Constitution    20       +5      12: CHA
Intelligence    12       +5      16: CHA
Wisdom           6       +5      20: CHA
Charisma        18       +5      24: CHA
                                 28: CHA

Feats

 1        : Mithral Body
 3        : Maximize Spell
 6        : Empower Spell
 9        : Quicken Spell
12        : Spell Focus: Conjuration
15        : Spell Penetration
18        : Heighten Spell OR Completionist
20 Swap   : Adamantine Body replaces Mithral Body
21 Epic   : Wellspring of Power
24 Epic   : Master of: Earth OR Intensify Spell
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Acid
27 Epic   : Ruin OR Intensify Spell
28 Destiny: Hellball
29 Destiny: Arcane Pulse
30 Epic   : Greater Ruin OR Past Life: Wizard
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth OR Plane of Fire

 1 Deity  : Follower of: Lord of Blades


Spells

Sorcerer
Acid Spray, Niac's Cold Ray, <Any>, <Any>
Melf's Acid Arrow, Snowball Swarm, Web, <Any>
Acid Blast, Chain Missiles, Frost Lance, Displacement
Acid Rain, Ice Storm, Force Missiles, <Any>
Cloudkill, Cone of Cold, Niac's Biting Cold, <Any>
Acid Fog, Disintegrate, Otiluke's Freezing Sphere
Otto's Sphere of Dancing, Mass Hold Person, <Any>
Black Dragon Bolt, Polar Ray
Mass Hold Monster


Enhancements (80+1 AP)

Earth Savant (36 AP)
Earth Savant, Earth Affinity, Greater Earth Affinity, Crumbling, One With Stone
Acid Spray III, Spell Critical, Erosion III
Spell Critical, Devouring Earth III
Spell Penetration, Spell Critical, Charisma
Acid Arrow III, Spell Critical, Charisma
Acid Blast III, Awaken Elemental Weakness

Water Savant (21 AP)
Water Savant, Water Affinity, Greater Water Affinity, Hypothermia
Cold Ray III, Spell Critical, Hoarfrost III
Spell Critical, Absolute Zero III
Spell Penetration, Spell Critical

Eldritch Knight (Sorcerer) (13 AP)
Eldritch Strike, Spellsword: Acid
Improved Mage Armor III, Item Defense II
Improved Shield III
Arcane Barrier III

Bladeforged (11 AP)
Improved Fortification
Mechanist I, Inscribed Armor III
Communion of Scribing III

Leveling Guide

Bladeforged: Improved Fortification
Mechanist I, Inscribed Armor III
Communion of Scribing III

Earth Savant: Earth Savant, Earth Affinity, Greater Earth Affinity, Crumbling
Acid Spray III, Spell Critical, Erosion III
Spell Critical, Devouring Earth III
Spell Penetration, Spell Critical, Charisma
Acid Arrow III, Spell Critical, Charisma
Acid Blast III, Awaken Elemental Weakness

Water Savant: Water Savant, Water Affinity, Greater Water Affinity
Cold Ray III, Spell Critical, Hoarfrost I
Spell Critical
15. Wtr1 Hoarfrost II, III; Wtr2 Absolute Zero I, II
16. Wtr3 Spell Critical; Wtr3 Spell Penetration
17. Wtr2 Absolute Zero III; Wtr0 Hypothermia; EKs0 Eldritch Strike; EKs1 Improved Mage Armor I
18. EKs1 Improved Mage Armor II, III; EKs1 Item Defense I; EKs2 Improved Shield I
19. Ear0 One With Stone; EKs2 Improved Shield II, III; EKs1 Item Defense II
20. EKs0 Spellsword: Acid; EKs3 Arcane Barrier I, II, III


Destiny (24 AP)

Magister
Imperceptible Casting, Unearthly Reactions III
Fade into the Weave, School Specialist: Conjuration III
Piercing Spellcraft II, School Augmentation III
Sigil of Battering III, School Familiarity III
School Master III
Arcane Tempest

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
Energy Burst: Acid (Tier 4 Draconic)
Dragon Heritage: Black (Tier 3 Draconic)
Precise: Conjuration (Tier 2 Draconic)
Stay Frosty (Tier 1 Shiradi)
Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Sentinel)

Turns out I needed an extra racial AP to afford everything I really wanted. Without it I have to drop either the last rank of Arcane Barrier or the fourth Water Savant core.

I start with Mithral Body so you don't need to invest in as much ASF reduction for heroic leveling. Then when I get to 20, I swap it for Adamantine Body, which is also when you can slot a ML:20 blue augment (-15% ASF).

[bill_99]

Thank you so much for leaving feedback guys

I intended to take T5 Earth Savant, not sure what happened there...

I have decided to get on the RTR grind so this build will have to wait a while, at least until I have a few more racial AP so I can mess around more in BF tree and, like you said, be able to take all the useful stuff in Water Savant as well.

Sorry for the late response, haven't been on forums in a while.