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    Default Why PVP is dead?

    I remember the time when there were a ton of peoples at the pvp in harbor, what happened? >:

    and another quotation: what are the time zones for each server? thanks

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    It's never been popular, it's just that 1% of the population was a lot more in 2010.
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    Poor Class Balance
    No Leaderboard
    No PVP Rewards
    No Match Making

    and the list goes on.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal_Lannes View Post
    Poor Class Balance
    No Leaderboard
    No PVP Rewards
    No Match Making

    and the list goes on.....
    There should be no class balance or rewards for pvp the rest could be done


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    There should be no class balance or rewards for pvp the rest could be done
    yeah that'd be amusingly screwed up. player 1 gets on top of the leaderboard, then shortly after player 2 oneshots player 1 and takes their place on the leaderboard, only to be 1 shot by player 3 who gets blasted by a rezzed player 1, ect. ect. and the leaderboard is rendered a sad joke on the pitiful idea that is pvp in ddo.

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    Why do people keep starting PvP threads in places other than the dedicated PvP forum?

    The DDO community hashed out years ago that PvP was a small niche that the vast majority of players were not interested in, did not want dev resources spent on, and did not want to waste time discussing.

    D&D is by nature a cooperative game. If a few consenting adults want to practice an anti-D&D and anti-social fetish, hey, I'm fine with that, but can you please do it in the privacy of your own section of the forums?
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    Hanging out in the Brawling pit was one way some...

    1. Passed the time waiting on an LFM they were interested in
    2. Passed the time waiting for friends/guild/channels to be active
    3. Flexed E-peon
    4. Used to rile themselves up because someone 7 levels higher then them kept killing them the instance their feet hit the floor
    5. Tested out features of their build

    The actually PvP area (as I don't consider the Brawling Pits PvP), including the Capture the flag areas I believe were more a victim of being hidden from view because of the Brawling pit areas.

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    Is PVP the new thread topic that tons of people start posting about that ends up going no where?!?! *dreams*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoach View Post
    4. Used to rile themselves up because someone 7 levels higher then them kept killing them the instance their feet hit the floor
    I was never really into pvp, but occasionally I'd peek in on it in the Lobster when bored, and this was the fun part for me. Show up with my gimp level 4 character and run around taunting people until they'd kill me in funny ways. It was comical.
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    Default Only time I "liked" PvP was when...

    Quote Originally Posted by Knobull View Post
    I was never really into pvp, but occasionally I'd peek in on it in the Lobster when bored, and this was the fun part for me. Show up with my gimp level 4 character and run around taunting people until they'd kill me in funny ways. It was comical.
    There was once a ...erm... "feature" where Arti pets (iirc we didn't have Druids yet) could aquire "drops on quest exit" items and instead of dropping them on exit, carry them off to other locations/quests; then the pet would drop them in the new quest/location when it died (my favoritest "feature" ever ). Unfortunately, when a character picked up said item in the new quest/location, it would then drop on exit from there.

    I thought it would be handy to place a few of these ill gained goods in the bank for future enjoyment, but was road blocked from doing so by the "drops on exit" thing. Then I (thought I) had an epiphany on the matter and offered a 1,000,000 Plat bounty to anyone who could kill my pet in a PvP arena. Had no shortage of folks wiling to throw their best at my Pet, but to my (and their) dismay we discovered Pets are immune to damage in PvP arenas.

    That was closest I've come to wanting PvP in DDO. I found it quite refreshing to have a game where newb ganking was simply not a thing to be encountered (excepting another brief bug where iirc Pale Masters in Undead Form were publicly gankable), and hope DDO at least retains that much of it's former self.
    I would still like to see... Something that tests character versatility and player adaptability rather than character focus strength and quest knowledge.
    I play the quests for the content of the quests not just as an XP/min merry-go-round.
    Actual play experience is worth infinitely more than theorycrafting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom999 View Post
    I remember the time when there were a ton of peoples at the pvp in harbor, what happened? >:

    and another quotation: what are the time zones for each server? thanks
    Back in the times when you joined, there were a lot of free to play first life players in the harbor, and there were level tokens every 4 levels at 4, 8, 12, 16, and 20 was cap.

    It was easy and balance when everyone was level 4 and can't go up without finding a leveling token in a level appropriate dungeon.

    There were no reaper trees.
    There were no Racial Past lives.
    There were no epic past lives.
    There were no iconic past lives.
    There were no crazy Vorpal gears at ML4 or below.
    Cap was 20 and there were no Epic Destinies.
    Heroic Past Lived people were rare and few and did not bother to PvP... they were doing the Scroll/Seal/Shard thingy.

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    In the past it didn't need incentives because it wasn't so imbalanced. Now it is so imbalanced that incentives would work, but we would end up seeing only a few specialized builds dominate the place, and either we make on of them for the incentives or we get beat up. If they could balance PvP a bit somehow, it wouldn't need incentives, a balanced fighting system itself would be the incentive.

    Personally I would LOVE to see a gladiator tree where the only place it matters is PvP and the only way to get APs is PvP, but if they did that right now a lot of people would freak out, saying game is dangling from a life thread and needs to address what THEY want or need or they will quit the game.

    I was on the brink of quitting due to racial TRs, then just figured my mule alts just will play epic hard or normal and suck, oh well :P After accepting that, they became fun again. I think the most I'd ever invest in them is for cosmetics, for fun, but 1 life builds are seriously limited when they shouldn't be.

    I figured I'd stick it out, even if game does worst updates ever. It is too much fun watching it go down!!! And it would be even better to see it revive!!!!!!!

    Either way I win, though I do prefer the game does a 180 table flip and suddenly is the best online game ever, with a freaking oxodus of new players migrating in the millions! It could happen, but they need to focus on FEATURES and FEATURES and FEATURES and only by focusing on FEATURES can they create a climate where suddenly tons of people are finding their favorite thing fits where there are also several other things they are interested in, all together in a place with a huge population. Basically DDO would have to stop being about quest grinding, and start being about all sorts of things to do that are DIFFERENT then quest grinding.

    Endless killing gets dull.

    How about a murder mystery, or something that has nothing to do with fighting? When that gets boring I will go kill something... it would be nice to have other things to do that are not even remotely about killing (I could already hear someone saying "crafting"... which is about making better gear to kill with...).. how about a garden in the back of my house? Or a farm :P (I know, some people are going insane hearing this, heads fuming red... a FARM o.O!!!! How dare he!!!). I don't care, ANYTHING, just show new features, some new sort of game to this...

    When of my favorite things about PnP is it didn't always have to be fighting for experience, or about fighting even. What made it so great is that you could do ANYTHING you wanted, like have a farm, a castle, become a king, join a sports team, ride a horse, fly, climb a mountain...

    Either DDO will become the game I love, or it will turn into a grind the quest only game because people keep saying it was meant to, and not meant to be the game I love where you can do ANYTHING you want. I will speak up for the game itself, and I will continue to drive the point that adding FEATURES is the real way to succeed.

    PvP is a FEATURE. It is a dead one, that could EASILY be revived. Fix it in spite of those who would hate you for it, and know that you are creating a climate that will inevitably attract more players!!! The one's who spent 1300$ on otto boxes invested too much to quit, and think they own the game now, but they don't, so add more features and make more money by attracting more players...

    PvP isn't gonna get fixed with this next update, but throwing attention its way may lead to the update after that getting a fix. If they focused only on PvP I bet they could have a balance and or incentive in less then 1 month. Less then 1 month to fix a feature that is worth it to 1% of the population. Yes, this is how big business WINS! The attitude that the 1% doesn't count leads to a more narrow and rigid player base that is unable to adapt, and finds itself only getting smaller over time. When DDO can get that 1%, it will get more then that in the long run.

    I put too much thought into this business sometimes and not enough into my own :P I should go get to covering my own matters soon...

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    I am here with a friend who does NOT play DDO, and is from a younger generation, and who has been very active in the gaming online experience. We have been talking about online games, and I thought I would give him a chance to express his opinion on this topic, since apparently PvP is a big thing in gaming.

    His name is Sam and I turn the floor to him now:

    Asuh,
    so i've heard that this games pvp is basically just duels in a bar with no points or rewards, so on a scale WoW to Runescape, ive played many MMO's and can say that i prefer any online experience to include at least a some what in-depth pvp system of some scale of map larger than one room and with as many game types as applicable (you dont have to add grifball but at least do transit, lol). AND DEEEEFINITELY do some sort of tiered rewards and in pvp gear even.
    so much can be done with raids and it can easily be made in pvp.


    Wonedream typing this and here again now, talking with him about this, I am hearing new ideas that I never thought about yet. A Raid can easily be converted into a PvP also, so it is a cooperative raid only PvE or a PvP version that adds competitive fun and cooperation and team work all at the same time. Very interesting!

    Also never thought about PvP gear until just now. Hmmm I think the closest idea I have heard along these lines is a PvP place where you start with now gear and have to earn gear, or perhaps gear priviledge and gear has a limiting score, so that more priveledge means better gear. Perhaps the gear aspect could really play a big role into the experience, it certainly makes sense that it would when I think about it.


    I had no idea what Sam was gonna write, but thought it would be interesting to give a friend of mine who plays a lot of PvP stuff a chance to say something on the topic.

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    bringing legit pvp to ddo would kill ddo. so r.i.p. brawl taverns.

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    There was less options back then and the difference between an average character and a top character was less.
    Having an Ioun Stone and a Wizard Past Life made you the king of the pit back then.
    A rando in your level range had a prayer of being a fair fight for you.
    You could bop over to the lobster, click on a few people to check out the levels, and just jump in.
    Now the chances of finding people in level range, gear range, PL range, skill range. guild buff range, etc, make it unlikely to have the same thing happen again.
    I think it could be done, but it would need to be organized.
    The organic free-form PvP thing is gone forever. (IMO)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacoBob33 View Post
    bringing legit pvp to ddo would kill ddo. so r.i.p. brawl taverns.
    You can't kill what is already dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonedream View Post
    In the past it didn't need incentives because it wasn't so imbalanced. Now it is so imbalanced that incentives would work, but we would end up seeing only a few specialized builds dominate the place, and either we make on of them for the incentives or we get beat up. If they could balance PvP a bit somehow, it wouldn't need incentives, a balanced fighting system itself would be the incentive.

    Personally I would LOVE to see a gladiator tree where the only place it matters is PvP and the only way to get APs is PvP, but if they did that right now a lot of people would freak out, saying game is dangling from a life thread and needs to address what THEY want or need or they will quit the game.

    I was on the brink of quitting due to racial TRs, then just figured my mule alts just will play epic hard or normal and suck, oh well :P After accepting that, they became fun again. I think the most I'd ever invest in them is for cosmetics, for fun, but 1 life builds are seriously limited when they shouldn't be.

    I figured I'd stick it out, even if game does worst updates ever. It is too much fun watching it go down!!! And it would be even better to see it revive!!!!!!!

    Either way I win, though I do prefer the game does a 180 table flip and suddenly is the best online game ever, with a freaking oxodus of new players migrating in the millions! It could happen, but they need to focus on FEATURES and FEATURES and FEATURES and only by focusing on FEATURES can they create a climate where suddenly tons of people are finding their favorite thing fits where there are also several other things they are interested in, all together in a place with a huge population. Basically DDO would have to stop being about quest grinding, and start being about all sorts of things to do that are DIFFERENT then quest grinding.

    Endless killing gets dull.

    How about a murder mystery, or something that has nothing to do with fighting? When that gets boring I will go kill something... it would be nice to have other things to do that are not even remotely about killing (I could already hear someone saying "crafting"... which is about making better gear to kill with...).. how about a garden in the back of my house? Or a farm :P (I know, some people are going insane hearing this, heads fuming red... a FARM o.O!!!! How dare he!!!). I don't care, ANYTHING, just show new features, some new sort of game to this...
    As a DM of Yore. Some the best game time was not Hack and Slash. It was those down times. When the group was opening a bar. Was working on building a castle. Or even starting family. PnP allowed myself and the players to really open the world beyond the next dungeon crawl.

    Could any of this be incorporated into the game at present. Darned if I know. I know that as the 'net changes and evolves. We could see it happen at some point. I will how ever dust off my crystal ball. And peer into it.

    I suspect that with in the next fifteen years we might see it such a thing happen in ddo. Especially as more people start using Virtual Reality. More than looking at a monitor. Virtual reality should open the 'net in ways that i can only imagine. As technology advances and as people demand a better surfing experience. Gaming will be far different in thirty years.

    That will be when most of you whippersnappers will be my age. Being blown away by tech you only knew as sitting on some one shelf or as a prototype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandwynn View Post
    As a DM of Yore. Some the best game time was not Hack and Slash. It was those down times. When the group was opening a bar. Was working on building a castle. Or even starting family. PnP allowed myself and the players to really open the world beyond the next dungeon crawl.

    Could any of this be incorporated into the game at present. Darned if I know. I know that as the 'net changes and evolves. We could see it happen at some point. I will how ever dust off my crystal ball. And peer into it.

    I suspect that with in the next fifteen years we might see it such a thing happen in ddo. Especially as more people start using Virtual Reality. More than looking at a monitor. Virtual reality should open the 'net in ways that i can only imagine. As technology advances and as people demand a better surfing experience. Gaming will be far different in thirty years.

    That will be when most of you whippersnappers will be my age. Being blown away by tech you only knew as sitting on some one shelf or as a prototype.
    I dunno. I know its just a movie, but look at "Back to the Future", aka 1985. They predicted that by the year 2015 (30 years from 1985), we should have hover cars and hover boards... but none of those existed. We should have fusion power and can generate power cheaply by a fusion engine that can take any material as fuel. It doesn't exist....
    We should have flat screen TVs that split screen into 10 channels and can watch them at the same time. May be we have this, but its painfully implemented in such a small screen. Fruits that are provided on demand of a voice command? Not present.

    On the other hand, we have a company in Boston that is building terminator robots that can autonomously move goods, and climb stairs and manipulated snowly terrain...
    Virtual Reality Samsung apps that look like cartoons...

    I don't mind playing DDO immersely in 4D... but I bet the graphics are not going to be as good as you see on your computer monitor right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrande View Post
    I dunno. I know its just a movie, but look at "Back to the Future", aka 1985. They predicted that by the year 2015 (30 years from 1985), we should have hover cars and hover boards... but none of those existed. We should have fusion power and can generate power cheaply by a fusion engine that can take any material as fuel. It doesn't exist....
    We should have flat screen TVs that split screen into 10 channels and can watch them at the same time. May be we have this, but its painfully implemented in such a small screen. Fruits that are provided on demand of a voice command? Not present.

    On the other hand, we have a company in Boston that is building terminator robots that can autonomously move goods, and climb stairs and manipulated snowly terrain...
    Virtual Reality Samsung apps that look like cartoons...

    I don't mind playing DDO immersely in 4D... but I bet the graphics are not going to be as good as you see on your computer monitor right now.
    There are plans to have people logging their brains directly into the web by 2040. I think its called the 2040 project, but it might have been 2030, I can't remember. Apparently it is suppose to make the virtual experience real and very strange, like stepping into a computer reality that can appear like your window browser one second, and like your room the next. It involves something with implanting chips in brains... scary stuff I think! I would be afraid of such an operation for many reasons :P Games would never been the same though, because anyone that linked up could start imagining games and their ideas would convert into the processes to make it happen, so you could make your own version of anything by imagining it. As appealing as that is, Ill stick to organic dreams and online screens. Don't want chips in my head! PvP in such a place... no thanks. If my toon gets killed by some stranger I can look at my screen and laugh. If I experience some jerk jumping me from the shadows and stabbing me in virtual reality, it would get a lot more personal really quick!!! I think the idea of linking people directly to computers like this is the wrong path to evolution, in my opinion we should stay how we are and not start adding robot parts to ourselves. Robots can't evolve for organic tissue and cells... oh, my, this is too philosophical for me.. the mention of virtual reality caused it to flash through me mind, time to think about something else..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrande View Post
    They predicted that by the year 2015 (30 years from 1985), we should have hover cars and hover boards... but none of those existed.
    Are you sure? 8)


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