Double Reaper Wings

[LawfulGood]

EDIT: Read below for more milestones: Triple Reaper Wings. 100 Reaper AP. Latest quest list for efficient time, effort, and rxp earning.

Grats to Yukionna for earning his Reaper Wings! Khyber now has two confirmed 75 Reaper AP characters. It was great helping each other along on the journey. As you can see, the wings do scale in size according to race.

[BigErkyKid]

Is there any chance you guys could post some achievements?

You have played a lot of reaper, what do you consider the toughest quests / raids that you have managed to complete?

I don't mean to bring bad blood to this thread, but personally I am far more interested in watching clever gameplay than on knowing how much XP have you grinded.

[Renvar]

Is there any chance you guys could post some achievements?

You have played a lot of reaper, what do you consider the toughest quests / raids that you have managed to complete?

I don't mean to bring bad blood to this thread, but personally I am far more interested in watching clever gameplay than on knowing how much XP have you grinded.

Getting something done in months that most people thought would take years IS clever gameplay.

I've run with these guys a bunch the last month or two. They have it down to a science. It is fine if that is not your cup of tea. Try this:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ic-at-level-13

[LawfulGood]

Is there any chance you guys could post some achievements?

You have played a lot of reaper, what do you consider the toughest quests / raids that you have managed to complete?

I don't mean to bring bad blood to this thread, but personally I am far more interested in watching clever gameplay than on knowing how much XP have you grinded.

Here's another one: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...te-R5-at-level

We repeated that same raid a couple lives ago with seven people, same skull level.

We've done various quests as we've leveled at R10 (Lords of Dust comes to mind) and others at R7+ on occasion. However because we have 135 quests that we run per life; people that are trying to be efficient with use of the xp pots; and limited playtime (have to find a window of time where everyone in the regular group can play), taking a detour to just do something outside of the leveling plan isn't the most efficient use of our time.

[LavidDynch]

I think people are grossly underestimating the achievement of what you guys have done. This is perhaps the greatest achievement up to date.

Logistics, dicipline, dedication, leadership, ability to function as a group during a longer period of time.

Hats off, well played!

[steelrock]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa1...Rdvp8CpYyoagUw

The science is recorded. Congrats!

[LawfulGood]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa1...Rdvp8CpYyoagUw

The science is recorded. Congrats!

Why yes it is...

[Saekee]

congratz!

The wings look cool in your vids

[mikarddo]

Here's another one: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...te-R5-at-level

We repeated that same raid a couple lives ago with seven people, same skull level.

We've done various quests as we've leveled at R10 (Lords of Dust comes to mind) and others at R7+ on occasion. However because we have 135 quests that we run per life; people that are trying to be efficient with use of the xp pots; and limited playtime (have to find a window of time where everyone in the regular group can play), taking a detour to just do something outside of the leveling plan isn't the most efficient use of our time.

Would you be kind enough to post a list of the 135 quests you run because you see those as most efficient? I for one would love to see such a list from those most into efficiency.

[BigErkyKid]

Here's another one: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...te-R5-at-level

We repeated that same raid a couple lives ago with seven people, same skull level.

We've done various quests as we've leveled at R10 (Lords of Dust comes to mind) and others at R7+ on occasion. However because we have 135 quests that we run per life; people that are trying to be efficient with use of the xp pots; and limited playtime (have to find a window of time where everyone in the regular group can play), taking a detour to just do something outside of the leveling plan isn't the most efficient use of our time.

Thanks!

I get that you are not aiming for "achievements" in the traditional sense. Rather, the achievement is getting so much XP so fast.

However, I was sure that you would have tried some R10s just to break the routine. Personally, I am not interested in the least in how fast people get XP, but I do like seeing videos of clever gameplay and strategy.

So thanks for the video, and I hope you guys take more of those breaks now that you have a bazillion reaper points.

[LawfulGood]

Would you be kind enough to post a list of the 135 quests you run because you see those as most efficient? I for one would love to see such a list from those most into efficiency.

Sure -- here's the list. I've also started a episodic video playlist showing tips and tricks to run each of those quests efficiently here: Reaper Life: Level 1 to 20 in 18 hours

We usually don't do the level 1 quests and instead eat the daily and weekly XP stones from free rolls, but sometimes need to do it if someone is short or doesn't have the astral shards to do an extra roll to make up the difference. The original list of quests was much longer; for example we used to do the entire Catacombs and CO6 chains; and waited patiently in Desert Caravan for the quest to progress. We've replaced those quests and whittled the list down to the bare number needed to get to level 20 to make sure people that have bought xp potions aren't watching their timers waste away. There's also some wiggle room in quest selection. For example, if we're with someone (we PUG a lot) that doesn't have the Sorrowdusk pack, we'll substitute the two Graymoon quests with a run of The Snitch. Similarly, there party members that absolutely hate Acid Wit, so we'll skip that at level 15 and make it up at later at level 17 by doing Lord of Stone. The list also accounts for the need to get two ranks of Coin Lord favor and House K favor so you have enough storage space to TR again immediately upon reaching level 20. You will also have enough favor to get tomes from the Drow Elder and as a reward for Gianthold saga (replace with guild renown if desired) to crunch for crafting ingredients.

I'm sure there's still more tweaking that can be done, and other Reaper TR groups use a different cycle. For example, another group on Khyber leapfrogs most of the low level quests by just doing WW, Proof is in the Poison, and Irestone Inlet to get to level 4 quickly, then makes up for the bypassed rxp by doing some Stormhorns (especially What Goes Up) and some Amarath close to cap. It's all a matter of personal preference.

Level Quest
1 The Storehouse Secret
1 Heyton's Rest
1 The Cannith Crystal
1 The Collaborator
2 Bringing the Light
2 The Smuggler's Warehouse
2 The Kobold's New Ringleader
2 Garrison's Missing Pack
2 Durk's Got a Secret
2 Information is Key
2 Walk the Butcher's Path
2 Recovering the Lost Tome
2 The Sunken Sewer
2 Missing in Action
3 Where There's Smoke
3 The Captives
3 The Kobold's Den: Clan Gnashtooth (WW1)
3 The Kobold's Den: Rescuing Arlos (WW2)
3 The Cloven-jaw Scourge:Blockade (STK1)
3 The Friar's Niece (Catacombs 1)
3 To Find a Witness: Return to the Sanctuary (Catacombs 2)
3 The Old Archives (Catacombs 3)
4 Venn's Trail: Clan Tunnelworm (WW3)
4 Venn's Trail: Venn's Fate (WW4)
4 The Cloven-jaw Scourge: The Caverns of Shaagh (STK2)
4 Halls of Shan-To-Kor (STK3)
4 Dirty Laundry
4 Stormreaver Fresco
4 The Depths of Despair
4 The Depths of Darkness
5 The Depths of Discord
5 The Depths of Doom
5 The Chamber of Insanity
5 The Lair of Summoning
5 The Mystery of Delera's Tomb
5 The Stones Run Red (Fire Caves 1)
5 Brood of Flame (Fire Caves 2)
6 Ruined Halls
6 The Forgotten Caverns
6 Redwillow's Ruins
6 Dead Predators
6 Mirra's Sleepless Nights
6 Caged Trolls
6 Purge the Heretics
6 The Bounty Hunter
6 The Iron Mines: Freeing Achka (Graymoon 1)
6 The Iron Mines: Justice for Grust (Graymoon 2)
6 The Troglodytes' Get (Garl's Tomb 1)
6 Old Grey Garl (Garl's Tomb 2)
7 The Tear of Dhakaan
7 Gwylan's Stand
7 The Missing Party (Delera 2)
7 Free Delera (Delera 3)
7 The Graverobber
7 Bargain of Blood
8 Tharashk Arena (VON1)
8 The Prisoner (VON2)
8 The Xorian Cipher
8 Haunted Library
8 Thrall of the Necromancer (Delera 4)
8 Stormcleave Outpost
9 The Jungle of Khyber (VON3)
9 Haywire Foundry (VON4)
9 The Shadow Crypt
10 Reclamation
10 Skyros' Jewel
11 Purge the Fallen Shrine
11 The Chamber of Rahmat
11 The Chamber of Kourush
11 Maraud the Mines
11 An Offering of Blood
11 Raid the Vulkoorim
11 Dreams of Insanity
11 From Beyond the Grave
11 And the Dead Shall Rise
11 Tomb of the Blighted
12 The Chamber of Rayium
12 Relic of a Sovereign Past
12 Invaders
12 Diplomatic Impunity
12 Frame Work
12 Eyes of Stone
13 Assault on Summerfield
13 Blockade Buster
13 Undermine
13 Siegebreaker
13 Mired in Kobolds
13 Memoirs of an Illusionary Larcener
13 Feast or Famine
13 Trial by Fire
13 The Maze of Madness
13 Foundation of Discord
13 A Cry for Help
14 Madstone Crater
14 A Cabal of One
14 The Crucible
14 Prison of the Planes
14 Gianthold Tor
14 Descreted Temple of Vol
14 Fleshmaker
15 Missing
15 Sinister Storage
15 Fear Factory
15 In the Flesh
15 Acid Wit
15 Disciples of Shar
15 Escape Plan
15 Shadow of a Doubt
16 Lords of Dust
16 Servants of the Underlord
16 Friends in Low Places
16 A Lesson in Deception
16 Army of Shadow
16 Thrill of the Hunt
16 Through a Mirror Darkly
16 Running with the Devils
17 Sane Asylum
17 Enter the Kobold
17 Monastery of the Scorpion
17 Prey on the Hunter
17 Outbreak
17 Overgrowth
17 Thorn and Paw
18 Finding the Path
18 Dream Conspiracy
18 I Dream of Jeets
18 The Mindsunder
18 The Shipwrecked Spy
18 Eye of the Titan
18 Reclaiming Memories
18 Mining for Ancient Secrets
18 Murder by Night
18 Lost in the Swamp
18 A Stay at the Inn

[LawfulGood]

Thanks!

I get that you are not aiming for "achievements" in the traditional sense. Rather, the achievement is getting so much XP so fast.

However, I was sure that you would have tried some R10s just to break the routine. Personally, I am not interested in the least in how fast people get XP, but I do like seeing videos of clever gameplay and strategy.

So thanks for the video, and I hope you guys take more of those breaks now that you have a bazillion reaper points.

Unfortunately that won't be the case. Our goal wasn't to earn Reaper points or wings. That was a nice parallel side effect. Everyone in the group was doing it to get triple racial lives for completionist to get those benefits for their characters. I've moved on and am currently on life 4 of 30 on my main (aiming for February for completion). The toon that I earned the wings on was just someone that I had started earning class lives for heroic completionist while running Reaper difficulty before racials were announced and decided to continue on after that became a thing. He's parked at level 20 until Ravenloft is out. Yuki is still on his toon to see if Reaper AP points are capped at 80 just like class AP points. We should have that answer in about 3 more lives. The rest of the group is still on their way to that 30 racial life goal, so we're still helping them along.

[Phil7]

ty for the list gj! I've generally been skipping quests that depend on NPCs to complete, like Ritual Sacrifice because the old man dies instantly on high skulls.
really annoying...
Anyway do you have any suggestions on what skulls to run before level 10? My go to is use daily dices on level 1 to go level 2, then R1 till level 9-10 where Phantasmal Killer and Tentacles kick in. After that it depends on how hard the quest is. Quests like vol, lod and gh walkups can be done on r6+ but quests like mirror and running are harder. Now if there is a group with more casters then we can raise the skulls to 8+

[LawfulGood]

ty for the list gj! I've generally been skipping quests that depend on NPCs to complete, like Ritual Sacrifice because the old man dies instantly on high skulls.
really annoying...
Anyway do you have any suggestions on what skulls to run before level 10? My go to is use daily dices on level 1 to go level 2, then R1 till level 9-10 where Phantasmal Killer and Tentacles kick in. After that it depends on how hard the quest is. Quests like vol, lod and gh walkups can be done on r6+ but quests like mirror and running are harder. Now if there is a group with more casters then we can raise the skulls to 8+

We do level 2 and 3 quests at R2, since the difference in rxp doing those same quests on R3 or R4 is minimal at such low levels. We increase to R3 at level 4 and keep it that way until level 9, when we can use heal scrolls. At that point we pretty much stay at R4, except for quests that are reasonable in length and difficulty. For those (for example, the Gianthold walk-ups you mentioned), we shift to R5. Of course, if the goal is to earn more rxp per life, it's better to go higher than our typical skull level and increase the amount of time per quest completion, however our goal was to complete a heroic life in about 18 hours of game play. Because of trying to accommodate the real life schedules of everyone, we're limited to three hours per weeknight on the TR train.

[MistaMagic]

Nice to see that you have a running mate Frets that has also got his/her wings. I was interested to read your list of quest compared to what we are running (about 75% the same) and what level you run them on.
Ozzgood never got her wings as I boxed a few lives to get the 30 past lives but Ozzbad is now lvl16 on life 6 with 1.2 mill RXP and besides the other 24 Racials still has some Iconics and Heroics to do so should get them quite easily on this toon
For those that are interested our group runs Harbor on R3 and quite a few of the others on R5+ (Fire caves for instance). GH we do on R6 apart from Foundation which due to the end fight we do R3. LOD is usualy done on R10 but if well pugged a lower skull and the same with A Break in the Ice.

[Morroiel]

This is an achievement - absolutely it is. And I'll say it over and over again: congratz!

However, I wouldn't label it as the best "achievement to date".... that's a little bit ridiculous considering that much of this was an achievement in attrition (of work ethic / number of hours to devote).

These players grinded the same quests for ~40 hours a week (even if you take Frets incredibly optimistic 18 hour value first hand - which I have a feeling isn't including emptying tr cache, going through steps for reincarnation, etc.) for about 6 months straight. They essentially treated it like a job, and while I've played this game at times for far more than that in a single week; I wouldn't think that alone justifies "the best achievement to date".

It is a sad state of game that these types of achievements are really the only ones on the board in the last couple months besides (rys / wiz duos). Especially considering that reaper was meant as a challenge difficulty not a grind difficulty (a blatant lie as we now know it).

That said, as always congratulations on grinding out that reaper xp like it was a full time job for half a year.

P.S. While I applaud you doing r10s or various other high skulls (two of my favorites while leveling are heroic abbot and EtK), I've seen that video Alex had on his twitch channel for that memoirs. This is my biggest problem with you when others and you post your achievements you don't specify the means that you obtained them. Honestly it makes all your achievements suspect in my eye because I flat out don't trust you to accurately describe how you came about these accomplishments. If you want to call that memoirs an achievement knowing the circumstances of how you completed that end fight then by all means go ahead but don't expect others to laud you for it.

Edit: For those curious about his r10 memoirs at level completion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bitDHRJuMgQ. I can't believe you actually posted the video. Notice how many cakes him and his friends use to subvert the death timer, etc. Additionally notice the ridiculous amount of rest shrines and other (DDO Store p2w consumables used). The use of a known exploit in order to fully buff/rest after self raising with cakes,etc. Judge for yourselves.

[LawfulGood]

These players grinded the same quests for ~40 hours a week (even if you take Frets incredibly optimistic 18 hour value first hand - which I have a feeling isn't including emptying tr cache, going through steps for reincarnation, etc.) for about 6 months straight. They essentially treated it like a job, and while I've played this game at times for far more than that in a single week; I wouldn't think that alone justifies "the best achievement to date".
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That said, as always congratulations on grinding out that reaper xp like it was a full time job for half a year.

You're right -- that "18 hour" figure is only the time spent in quests or explorer areas and not banking, using the trainers, waiting on the ship for people to log in, etc. It's calculated from the hours of xp potions ticking down at the start of a life and how much is left at the end. We chose 18 hours as our target because it equals 3 Sovereign II Elixirs or 6 Sovereign I Elixirs, depending on what people are using. We are definitely not spending the hours equal to a full time job playing the game. Three hours per weeknight, at least double that if it's Saturday or Sunday. We're still having fun plaything the game, and don't see it as a grind. There were definitely some people we grouped with, including guildies, that tried to shortcut it by going over eight hours a day trying to earn rxp and xp and burned themselves out. They're no longer playing. Our light schedule has prevented that from happening.

P.S. While I applaud you doing r10s or various other high skulls (two of my favorites while leveling are heroic abbot and EtK), I've seen that video Alex had on his twitch channel for that memoirs. This is my biggest problem with you when others and you post your achievements you don't specify the means that you obtained them. Honestly it makes all your achievements suspect in my eye because I flat out don't trust you to accurately describe how you came about these accomplishments. If you want to call that memoirs an achievement knowing the circumstances of how you completed that end fight then by all means go ahead but don't expect others to laud you for it.

Edit: For those curious about his r10 memoirs at level completion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bitDHRJuMgQ. I can't believe you actually posted the video. Notice how many cakes him and his friends use to subvert the death timer, etc. Additionally notice the ridiculous amount of rest shrines and other (DDO Store p2w consumables used). The use of a known exploit in order to fully buff/rest after self raising with cakes,etc. Judge for yourselves.

Res cakes have always worked that way to my knowledge. Was there a time where they were locked out due to death timers? Using ethereal rest shrines to remove death penalties is an exploit? How's that different than removing your death penalties using an in-quest shrine?

[Morroiel]

You're right -- that "18 hour" figure is only the time spent in quests or explorer areas and not banking, using the trainers, waiting on the ship for people to log in, etc. It's calculated from the hours of xp potions ticking down at the start of a life and how much is left at the end. We chose 18 hours as our target because it equals 3 Sovereign II Elixirs or 6 Sovereign I Elixirs, depending on what people are using. We are definitely not spending the hours equal to a full time job playing the game. Three hours per weeknight, at least double that if it's Saturday or Sunday. We're still having fun plaything the game, and don't see it as a grind. There were definitely some people we grouped with, including guildies, that tried to shortcut it by going over eight hours a day trying to earn rxp and xp and burned themselves out. They're no longer playing. Our light schedule has prevented that from happening.



Res cakes have always worked that way to my knowledge. Was there a time where they were locked out due to death timers? Using ethereal rest shrines to remove death penalties is an exploit? How's that different than removing your death penalties using an in-quest shrine?

Let's do conservative estimates on time spent: at one point you indicated you did 37 lives and this was roughly 6 months from the onset of reaper (not racial trs).

A full time job is roughly 40 hours a week.

Just using the numbers you provided: 15 for the week + 18 for the weekend -> you are at 33 hours a week.

So even with your numbers you are only 7 shy per week of a full time job, closer to full time than part time. It is important to note that the time you are estimating is almost surely wrong at least during the months of March/April when Alex was playing, there were vods on that channel of you two playing on the weekends for WELL past 6 hours, and well past 3 hours on weekdays.

Now:

The res cakes and ethereal rest shrines are more a shame thing. I would NEVER post an achievement under those circumstances (especially considering the degree at which these items were used) without explicitly indicating such. Still it isn't technically an exploit.
Using safe spots and exploiting faulty mob ai, falls under the same category. Still it isn't technically an exploit.

The exploit is in the fact you were able to dump death pens in the end fight, use shrines in the end fight, etc. without juggling aggro. Anyone who isn't blind will know what I'm talking about.

I don't want to cause drama so I'm done with this. People can watch that video (if you don't take it down) and see VERY clearly what I'm talking about. You don't have to play the game the same way I do; you don't have to disclose any questionable tactics: all I'm saying is that it makes me suspicious of any accomplishments you post.

Still without a doubt, you guys deserve some congratulations on the reaper xp, as that is (imo) all together different from the above comments.

[Fivetigers33]

Congrats.

[LawfulGood]

Let's do conservative estimates on time spent: at one point you indicated you did 37 lives and this was roughly 6 months from the onset of reaper (not racial trs).

A full time job is roughly 40 hours a week.

Just using the numbers you provided: 15 for the week + 18 for the weekend -> you are at 33 hours a week.

So even with your numbers you are only 7 shy per week of a full time job, closer to full time than part time. It is important to note that the time you are estimating is almost surely wrong at least during the months of March/April when Alex was playing, there were vods on that channel of you two playing on the weekends for WELL past 6 hours, and well past 3 hours on weekdays.

I'd wager there's a lot of players that spend a few hours after they get home from work playing the game and spending more time on the weekend doing the same thing. It doesn't seem excessive to me, and I'll bet many more people spend that amount of time just watching TV.

Alex is one of the guildies I mentioned above that burned out. During the time you mentioned our quest list was much different. We were hardcapped at his suggestion while still running quests at a particular level to have more chances to earn rxp. For example, we'd do included Stealthy Repo, Redfang, the entire Catacombs chain, the entire Sharn Syndicate chain, Swiped Signet, Necro I chain, the CO6 chain, the entire Vale, etc. etc. We even went into low epic levels on a life instead of TRing right away. We spent more time than a lot of the group wanted doing things not needed to cap. Ayspam couldn't commit to the time required because of his European time zone and had to drop to play on his own terms.

All that sprinting in a marathon caught up to Alex and he didn't reach 1M rxp before stopping. What he streamed wasn't representative at all of what was typical. After he dropped we settled into our current low-stress routine and have stuck with it.

The res cakes and ethereal rest shrines are more a shame thing. I would NEVER post an achievement under those circumstances (especially considering the degree at which these items were used) without explicitly indicating such. Still it isn't technically an exploit.
Using safe spots and exploiting faulty mob ai, falls under the same category. Still it isn't technically an exploit.

The exploit is in the fact you were able to dump death pens in the end fight, use shrines in the end fight, etc. without juggling aggro. Anyone who isn't blind will know what I'm talking about.

I guess it isn't apparent why that quest was done. It wasn't done to show any sort of uberness completing an R10. Alex is playing a CON based dwarf warlock in ES. We had no one specced to charm. Aypsam was on a sorc life and had sp issues. We had two pugs that weren't familiar with high reaper completions. We had a guy that had to go AFK in a quest that stalled progression each time that happened. The only reason we did that quest was to see if we could pull some Reaper +2 stat circlets that didn't drop during our R5 and R7 attempts on previous lives. Simple as that. And when you spend over an hour doing so and get to the end fight, you will use whatever you have available to complete. Obviously it's not a optimized "achievement" style run, but we felt very relieved when we finished and decided to share our pain.