ASAH missing

[SeveredSteel]

PLs oh like the ones from reusing otto xp stones, xp pots and slayer pots.

And yes exploit builds did influence HP bloat, duping isn't the only exploit. Build means way more than PL.

And no, the xp from sagas now auto grants, not like it used to be before cheaters were duping the gems.

I know plenty of people who got all the relevant lives the normal way. Guess you're going to blame the people who were grinding out their lives legit too, next? Lol. K.

No, the exploits did not cause stat bloat, your comprehension is lacking, and I'm being nice.

Sags can be collected whenever you wish to click on the givers. Not the same as storing them in your inventory, but works the same. Can even tr and collect them after?

[slarden]

Slarden after this you still have doubts If there is exploit or not?
http://
Just click on the photo

Well that is between you and them and Ssg. As I said I think it's fine to report me or anyone you think is exploiting. If things are from anniversary card exploits I warned turbine of all this before that was released on forums and pm from testing on lamannia. I gave them steps how and they released it anyhow and cordovan told me to very clearly to stop talking about exploits needing to get fixed that they were aware of it and had many accounts on an alt site dedicated to chaeating.

Now I get accused because I buy stuff from store and called fool by exploiters for spending money. I could care less Ssg can verify all my stuff is legit and can verify my purchases. People on sarlona know how much I raided and how often I played before my spinal injuries reduced my play time. I would never report anyone because I blame the company and it went on too long and a lot of people got caught up in it because it was ignored for over a year and people thought the company didn't care and truth Is they didn't until sev took over and made it a priority.

the devs are real people with real families that depend on a real income. So I would never do anything to hurt their families. But when they ignore it for over a year as they did it's on them to a large extent. I also have no desire to get someone banned for something they did several years ago when it was getting ignored and could have been stopped before release.

[Captain_Wizbang]

exploits in DDO?

[ringage]

Well that is between you and them and Ssg. As I said I think it's fine to report me or anyone you think is exploiting. If things are from anniversary card exploits I warned turbine of all this before that was released on forums and pm from testing on lamannia. I gave them steps how and they released it anyhow and cordovan told me to very clearly to stop talking about exploits needing to get fixed that they were aware of it and had many accounts on an alt site dedicated to chaeating.

Now I get accused because I buy stuff from store and called fool by exploiters for spending money. I could care less Ssg can verify all my stuff is legit and can verify my purchases. People on sarlona know how much I raided and how often I played before my spinal injuries reduced my play time. I would never report anyone because I blame the company and it went on too long and a lot of people got caught up in it because it was ignored for over a year and people thought the company didn't care and truth Is they didn't until sev took over and made it a priority.

the devs are real people with real families that depend on a real income. So I would never do anything to hurt their families. But when they ignore it for over a year as they did it's on them to a large extent. I also have no desire to get someone banned for something they did several years ago when it was getting ignored and could have been stopped before release.

I see,you do the right thing
I did nt want to report him also,I just posted 1day what I found on Facebook page,was there anyway on the official ddo Facebook,so I wasn't the first who talked about this and this Phil or trobas starts to attacked me,then he start to include more person's on this,I had no other way of report,I don't like exploiters but I can do like nothing happens but those one was start screaming to as lol
Even if I was luthx or anyone else here the problem is still this one and not me,and yes if I know them personally probably I will had use a fake account,but this is normal
I really want to see if he will take a ban or they will delete he's effects
As for the other 2 guys that he named really was clear both of them,luthx and rulogison,the eulo had 30%e XP pot running close to 3 hours,luthx if I remember well was also close to this number

also slarden i dont think this is only betwen me them and ssg,we are all playing on the same game,
This is something we must all care about

[ringage]

what happen with that trobas?
we was waiting him 8 persons last night to jump in to the game for reporting him but that was nt happen?he tooks hes bab allready?
also trob if you want to bielieve i m luthx roze ringage eulogison hog and what ever you sayd you are free to do,to be honest i m not but for your melted brain i can be,for me its the same,all those persons you talked about we are clear and we have no problem if you want to blame as because we reported you..cause yes we do ::))
we will report you or at least i will when you jump in to the game then it up to ssg and we will not post again here,anyway you cheat theyre own company its not our company so the final desicion is belong to ssg

by the way why asah is still missing after the patch?

[Morroiel]

what happen with that trobas?
we was waiting him 8 persons last night to jump in to the game for reporting him but that was nt happen?he tooks hes bab allready?
also trob if you want to bielieve i m luthx roze ringage eulogison hog and what ever you sayd you are free to do,to be honest i m not but for your melted brain i can be,for me its the same,all those persons you talked about we are clear and we have no problem if you want to blame as because we reported you..cause yes we do ::))
we will report you or at least i will when you jump in to the game then it up to ssg and we will not post again here,anyway you cheat theyre own company its not our company so the final desicion is belong to ssg

by the way why asah is still missing after the patch?

Its likely that the hotfix patched the exploit, but didn't fully address the shards introduced from it. They are probably busy working on a solution so that ASAH prices aren't inflated by several orders of magnitude.

There were a few bans/suspensions/etc. that went out but those were likely for first or second degree offenders. Meaning that there were quite a lot of people who probably benefited unknowningly from the asah inflation ->

unsuspecting person, sees ASAH prices are ridic.
Sells valuable item to bank a ton of shards (as reroll values on chests didn't also inflate).

In the above example even though the person didn't actively exploit, the exploit still made an impact on the game economy and relevance of future item drops (having large amounts of shards invalidates content at a much quicker rate).
SSG need to come up with a solution that errors on the side of limiting false positives so as to not ban people who are innocent, but that isn't the tricky part they need to decide what should be done with the shards:

1) Do they deflate shards earned over the last several weeks? Probably not possible given what we know about the amount of logging and tech support to do item rollbacks, etc. (e.g. tr issues)

2) Do they switch to a different currency and remake the astral shard exchange to use said currency? Or maybe even have 3 ahs and all "paid" functions (reroll, item repair, raise, etc) gets shifted to new currency instead of old?

3) Do they just weather the storm, effectively deflating the buying power of astral shards from users who did not participate in the unlimited inflation period of the asah? Do they perhaps adjust store values to better match the reality of the asah, possibly increasing the paid functions cost?

All of these options are valid responses but all of these have significant negative consequences. In truth, there is no right answer, and likely this mess is going to have serious and significant consequences for the future of this game (ravenloft included). It is also highly server dependent, which is bad because it presents serious issues for any future plans for server mergers if its not handled correctly (wealth disparity by server origin will certainly be a thing in that case).

[Cantor]

All of these options are valid responses but all of these have significant negative consequences. In truth, there is no right answer, and likely this mess is going to have serious and significant consequences for the future of this game (ravenloft included). It is also highly server dependent, which is bad because it presents serious issues for any future plans for server mergers if its not handled correctly (wealth disparity by server origin will certainly be a thing in that case).

Which is why cheating sucks, and absolutely affects people who don't cheat.

[Phil7]

come we are inside now!
Don't forget to bring your buddies along with you, we don't hide anyway we got nothing to be afraid of unlike you

[Phil7]

Also don't forget to check eulogison's second account, aka his "bank"
He has a loooooooot of cookies, shards, pots and other lovely things to share with everyone in thousands!

Tracking down his mailed and traded items is easy, because he is most likely on the run right now emptying his hordes of duped items and sending them to other accounts and players
Some of his toons are Trajik, Afroditii and Pioashimos

You think his main account is clean? Well deleting a couple of thousand potions from his bank is easy, let's see if he can manage to delete all of his second account now.

P.S. don't forget to check the Buy-Back tab

[Mindos]

Is Cordo on vacation this week?

[Pyed-Pyper]

Is Cordo on vacation this week?

My guess - he is unconscious from blood loss, banging his forehead on his sundered keyboard. Someone in the office should probably swing by his desk with a first aid kit and call an ambulance.

[PermaBanned]

Is Cordo on vacation this week?

Perhaps he's taken a cue from the CS department and just said eff it, why bother?

[guzzlr]

Is Cordo on vacation this week?

Probably dealing with GenCon.

I was expecting this to get cubed right away.

As far as what can be done about the real issue, I don't know. But it really sucks to have this happen again and ruin the economy all over again. It should be dealt with the heaviest hand possible. The obvious question is how to determine legit transactions vs. the frauds. Sure seems like no matter what you do, the people that will get hit the worst in the economy shift are those that didn't participate in the cheating BS.

[LT218]

3) Do they just weather the storm, effectively deflating the buying power of astral shards from users who did not participate in the unlimited inflation period of the asah?

Yes.

This is the most likely option for several reasons.
1) It's the least work and history shows that when fixing broken things is difficult or requires lots of work, SSG takes the path of least resistance which usually amounts to leaving it broken for months/years or just ignoring it altogether.
2) This will likely make them the most money via the whales needing to purchase increased amounts of Astral Shards from the store to compensate for the inflated prices.

3) Do they perhaps adjust store values to better match the reality of the asah, possibly increasing the paid functions cost?

No. See above.

[Fallout47]

Slarden after this you still have doubts If there is exploit or not?
http://
Just click on the photo

Perhaps this belongs in the "Achievements" thread? And I'll gut the argument on Poe's Law - heavy sarcasm intended.