Drow are ddos worst race now

[Kurse_Darkstone]

You are so full of it.

D3 Vault of the Drow - 1978 RA Salvatore was a 19-year-old freshman who just read Lord of the Rings.

X1 Isle of Dread - 1981 - three years later

There is nothing about your story which is right.

not that guy... can admit when I was wrong.. guess I was given some bad information back in the 90's.. not the first time... it is what it is

[Hilltrot]

Lol anonymous people claim to be primary sources, so sayeth another "anonymous person" (pot calling kettle black). If you refer to Gary Gygax being an "anonymous primary source" (o_O) but oh well, whatever floats your boat.

Effectively, the basic outline for the Drow came from Gary's niece. She had been about 9 years old at the time, and she rattled off about these evil fairies worshipping a spider as a Queen. Since elves were often regarded as fey, dark became black and so on.

I have never claimed to be a primary source nor have I ever presented myself as being a primary source. I have listed the publically available sources of my information. Your comment about pot calling the kettle black is without merit.

You are the anonymous primary source - not Gygax. You are the primary source because there is no other way to check the information provided. People have to believe you with blind faith since there is no other substantiating information. I'm not asking you to dox yourself but if you want to share your experiences, you might want to talk to someone with a online or other publication which can verify your relationship and information and publish anything which might be of interest to others while keeping your anonymity.

Any information I provide is easily verifiable by reading the books which I list as sources. (Unless I make a mistake.) They are publically available. Hence, I am not a primary source.

[DeCourcy]

I have absolutely no actual knowledge to base this on, but I always felt that Drow (particularly the culture/society) drew heavily on Michael Moorcock's Melniboneans.

[xMalix]

After reading the rest of the comments. I just don't care about R.A.. It seams redundant to talk about the lore in the game. Because if the lore holds weight or not, is subjective. Which will go no where. I am not a fan as well.

Instead lets talk about the tree, racially. First note that I hate the race of Drow. After doing my first two lives as one. While working on my third life as one now. I have found that they are average. I can play as a caster, as one. I can go melee, as one. I can play as a rogue. I will do just fine in any general classes group. They are clearly not the "Worst Race".

With that said. When I do see people playing as a melee Drow. I see them playing with poorly chosen builds. Barbarian Drows, using two weapon fighting, using khopeshs. With 100 hp at lvl 10. Is basically ********. Which is rare, now a days. But more common in the past.

I have been happier using the racial weapons, rapiers, two weapon fighting. Has benefited me a lot more. By using that high chance to critical, 25% to 30%. For 2 to 3 times the damage. Granted drow are squishy. So instead of going all out with damage. I use prr and mrr. I do this with enhancements.

Also drow make great bards. Just that bards are not my thing.

If you want to make the race better. Give them a 1% increase in attack speed for every 2 points spent in dexterity. That would pair them better with single weapon fighting.

Closing argument. Worst Race is clickbait As ****.

[Thrudh]

But he discussed where the Drow actually came from, which has always made me chuckle over the years. It's one of my fondest memories of Gary, and I was deeply saddened when he passed away.

So, you're not going to tell us? What the heck?

Why would you even bring it up?


You: I recently met Bill Gates. He told me a most amusing story.
(pause)
(longer pause as you sip your drink)
(another pause as you stare into the distance)
Me: AND? (or possibly me grabbing you by the shirt and shaking you).

[C-Dog]

Ignoring the background/canon tangent, Drow are strong for new players who do not yet have 32 point builds. That's a relative measurement, relative to 28 point builds.

And then, Drow really only really shine if they are pursuing some MAD build that wants at least 2 of Dex/Int/Cha. Some Bards, some Palis, some Rangers, some Rogues - and a few others. For Int or Cha Casters, they're equivalent - you get +2 in your casting stat, but lose the early Human Feat - meh, dealer's choice on that. But they're still nice to have as an alternative there.

Drow are from WAY back in the early days of DDO, and so, yeah, they don't scale competitively into Epics, nor against some of the more recent races. But for what they do (give an early, easy boost and alternative to new accounts), they do it pretty well.

[PsychoBlonde]

At this point, there's no reason for them to be on a different build point scheme than the other races.

[ice4chill]

The drow race were never intended to be used as a playable race. This predates WOTC acquiring the TSR licensing back in the late 90's then altering said artist/s rendition and permitting PC's to play drow, teifling, dragonkin, etc. In TSR's eyes hey were seen as NOT game friendly and infernal-ish species that would possibly cause another media storm as had happened in the 80's. I believe in the old school TSR procedures and game presentation; for the imbalances and questionable alignment issues that might arise if these races were options. I mean after all the high arcane resistances and superior infra-vision alone are enough to red flag the drow race, then we have all the infernal innate abilities of the teifling that are brought to the forefront like fire/heat resistances, spell and charm immunizes. these also red flag it as unplayable due in no small part to the inequalities. Then there is the alignment issues.....infernal races will undoubtedly suffer with high anxieties disorders from all the normal species prejudices and backlashes whilst among them.

These were the main reason TSR left them out of the playing field so to speak with 1st and 2nd AD&D. Not worth the hassle or backlash from imbalance complaints that inevitably the DM's would endure while trying to play with the official rules.

I for one never ran nor ran with a group that used or played those races....they give me the heebee geebees. That races in principle are kinda taboo due to the affinity for evil inbred. The forgotten realms drow after all worship evil deities like lolth and were natural night surface raiders and slavers and even being a race the surface elves banished to the under dark long ago for their evil natures. Don't get me started on the devil kin species...geez that's self explanatory. No teifling or drow could essentially be good.....either LN or CN or worse.

I have rolled and played teifling in video games like NWO, but it still is unnerving even though it is a cartoon like character model in presentation.

[rabidfox]

The drow race were never intended to be used as a playable race. This predates WOTC acquiring the TSR licensing back in the late 90's then altering said artist/s rendition and permitting PC's to play drow, teifling, dragonkin, etc. In TSR's eyes hey were seen as NOT game friendly and infernal-ish species that would possibly cause another media storm as had happened in the 80's. I believe in the old school TSR procedures and game presentation; for the imbalances and questionable alignment issues that might arise if these races were options. I mean after all the high arcane resistances and superior infra-vision alone are enough to red flag the drow race, then we have all the infernal innate abilities of the teifling that are brought to the forefront like fire/heat resistances, spell and charm immunizes. these also red flag it as unplayable due in no small part to the inequalities. Then there is the alignment issues.....infernal races will undoubtedly suffer with high anxieties disorders from all the normal species prejudices and backlashes whilst among them.

These were the main reason TSR left them out of the playing field so to speak with 1st and 2nd AD&D. Not worth the hassle or backlash from imbalance complaints that inevitably the DM's would endure while trying to play with the official rules.

I for one never ran nor ran with a group that used or played those races....they give me the heebee geebees. That races in principle are kinda taboo due to the affinity for evil inbred. The forgotten realms drow after all worship evil deities like lolth and were natural night surface raiders and slavers and even being a race the surface elves banished to the under dark long ago for their evil natures. Don't get me started on the devil kin species...geez that's self explanatory. No teifling or drow could essentially be good.....either LN or CN or worse.

I have rolled and played teifling in video games like NWO, but it still is unnerving even though it is a cartoon like character model in presentation.

WOTC acquired TSR stuff in '97. Drow were in 2nd edition stuff in '92 (2nd edition Elf supplemental book) & '95 as playable races in books published by TSR.

[C-Dog]

22 month old necro... no record setter, but a nice first effort.

Hi, welcome to the forums.

When you're using the "Search" function, be sure to look at the date before responding to a thread. If it's on topic and helpful, perhaps even an update to older info, it's not a big deal, even welcome, but if it's just "your opinion" years later... yeah, not so much.

The drow race were never intended to be used as a playable race...

If you mean "when they were first mentioned", correct - they were NPC "monster" quality, only as a nemesis.

If you mean in DDO - wrong, they are 100% playable, and, in fact, the best "F2P" race for many builds (and among the top of any race for a few).

Read you later.

[Bolo_Grubb]

wow all these "claims" with no links to verified sources

[C-Dog]

wow all these "claims" with no links to verified sources

Most of the references are more or less "common knowledge", at least for anyone who was playing back then.

This ain't no OED.

[KoobTheProud]

Well, since it's been necro'd anyway, female Drow are still one of the hottest race gender combos, alongside Sun Elves. For the amount of time we put in looking at our toons that has to count for something.

Yes, I'm working on my second HElf life in a row. Sigh...