The Kundarak Brigade (TYWA Builds)

[nightbarer32]

This is just a straight-forward conversion of slarden's melee wraith build.

Kundarak AxeWraith
12/6/2 Wizard/Fighter/Monk
Lawful Neutral Dwarf


Level Order

1. Fighter         6. Fighter        11. Wizard         16. Wizard
2. Monk            7. Fighter        12. Wizard         17. Wizard
3. Monk            8. Fighter        13. Wizard         18. Wizard
4. Wizard          9. Fighter        14. Wizard         19. Wizard
5. Wizard         10. Fighter        15. Wizard         20. Wizard


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        12       +5       4: CON
Dexterity        8       +5       8: CON
Constitution    20       +5      12: CON
Intelligence    18       +5      16: CON
Wisdom           8       +5      20: CON
Charisma         6       +5      24: CON
                                 28: CON

Feats

 1        : Insightful Reflexes
 1 Fighter: Weapon Focus: Slashing
 2 Monk   : Power Attack
 3        : Cleave
 3 Monk   : Two Handed Fighting
 4 Wizard : Quicken Spell
 6        : Toughness OR Completionist
 6 Fighter: Great Cleave
 8 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Slashing
 9        : Adept of Forms
10 Fighter: Improved Critical: Slashing
12        : Master of Forms OR Precision
13 Wizard : Extend Spell
15        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
18        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
18 Wizard : Maximize Spell
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Grandmaster of Forms OR Bulwark of Defense
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
29 Destiny: Dire Charge
30 Epic   : Epic Toughness OR Epic Reflexes
30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane OR Shadowfell


Spells

Wizard
<Any>, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>
Lesser Death Aura, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>
Haste, Displacement, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>
Negative Energy Burst, Death Aura, Dimension Door, <Any>
<Any>, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>
Tenser's Transformation, <Any>, <Any>


Enhancements (80+6 AP)

Kensei (32 AP)
Kensei Focus: Axes, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought
Extra Action Boost III, Weapon Group Specialization, Haste Boost III
Weapon Group Specialization, Ascetic Training: Agility III
Critical Mastery III, Weapon Group Specialization, Shattering Strike II
Opportunity Attack, Strike at the Heart
One with the Blade, Keen Edge

Pale Master (21 AP)
Dark Reaping, Zombie Form, Vampire Form, Wraith Form
Spell Critical, Negative Energy Conduit III
Spell Critical, Bone Armor III
Cloak of Night III, Spell Critical, Constitution

Dwarf (18 AP)
Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution, Dwarven Toughness II, Dwarven Constitution II, Dwarven Toughness III
Axe Training
Child of the Mountain I, Axe Training
Axe Training
Axe Training, Throw Your Weight Around

Harper Agent (7 AP)
Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
Know the Angles II

Stalwart Defender (6 AP)
Toughness, Stalwart Defense
Item Defense I, Durable Defense III

Eldritch Knight (Wizard) (1 AP)
Eldritch Strike

Henshin Mystic (1 AP)
Riddle of Fire

Leveling Guide
Dwf0 Dwarven Toughness; Dwf1 Axe Training; Dwf1 Iron Stomach I, II, III; Dwf2 Axe Training; Dwf2 Child of the Mountain I
Dwf2 Child of the Mountain II; Dwf3 Axe Training
Dwf3 Stand Like Stone I; Dwf4 Axe Training; Dwf4 Throw Your Weight Around
EKw0 Eldritch Strike; Hen0 Riddle of Fire; Ken0 Kensei Focus: Axes; Ken1 Haste Boost I
Ken1 Haste Boost II, III; Ken1 Weapon Group Specialization
Ken2 Weapon Group Specialization; Ken1 Extra Action Boost I
Ken0 Spiritual Bond; Ken3 Critical Mastery I, II, III
Ken3 Weapon Group Specialization; Ken1 Extra Action Boost II
Ken1 Extra Action Boost III; Ken4 Opportunity Attack
Ken0 Strike with No Thought; Ken4 Strike at the Heart; Ken2 Ascetic Training: Agility I
Ken2 Ascetic Training: Agility II, III; Ken3 Shattering Strike I, II
Ken5 One with the Blade; Ken5 Keen Edge; SD0 Toughness; SD1 Item Defense I
SD1 Durable Defense I, II, III; SD0 Stalwart Defense
Hrp0 Agent of Good I; Hrp1 Strategic Combat; (Bank 1 AP)
Reset Stalwart Defender
Pale Master: Dark Reaping, Zombie Form, Vampire Form
Spell Critical, Negative Energy Conduit III
Bone Armor III
PM3 Cloak of Night I, II, III; SD0 Toughness
Hrp1 Harper Enchantment; Hrp2 Know the Angles I; SD1 Item Defense I
SD1 Durable Defense I, II, III; SD0 Stalwart Defense
PM2 Spell Critical; PM3 Spell Critical
Hrp2 Know the Angles II; PM3 Constitution; PM0 Wraith Form


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought
Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack, Damage Boost III
Lay Waste
(none)
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
Dance of Flowers (Tier 1 Flowers)
Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Sentinel)

Comments:

• I needed 6 extra racial APs to be able to afford everything I wanted. Without them I guess you'd have to drop either defensive stance (though it would be a shame to lose +25 PRR/MRR); or Harper (losing some DPS and to-hit goes back to being based on STR). Extra racial APs would let you invest more into Harper for extra Melee Power or Pale Master for +1 CON and fourth tier of Spell Critical which boosts your NEB and Death Auras.
• For heroic leveling, you play like a typical axe-wielding fighter. You will NOT be centered before level 12; so for lvls 3-11 just use light armor for Evasion and higher Dodge or heavy armor for max PRR.
• At lvl 12 you become centered and switch to robes. Use either Wind stance for extra doublestrike or Fire for the crit bonus; i.e., Wind for single-target, Fire for Cleaves.
• I designed it so you can use vampire form starting at lvl 15; that's also when you will have NEB and both Death Auras to keep yourself (un)healed. Watch out for those light-spamming casters, though!
• Designed for greataxes: mauls is an easy conversion. Among named greataxes, the ones you want most for heroics IMO are Carnifex (4-12) and Riftmaker (13-19). For epics, start with Antique Greataxe or Cannith Greataxe of Fire; later you switch to drow greataxe, Cleaver, eRiftmaker, and/or Torn (new Ravenloft axe), depending on what you have, of course.

Hey is this still viable? Would there be many changes with the EK update?

[unbongwah]

Hey is this still viable? Would there be many changes with the EK update?

It should still work as described, but I've thought about pure wizard 20 EK instead. To be honest it's a flavor build either way; there's no good reason other than novelty for a CON-based wizard.

[nightbarer32]

It should still work as described, but I've thought about pure wizard 20 EK instead. To be honest it's a flavor build either way; there's no good reason other than novelty for a CON-based wizard.

Mostly looking for a fun and good wizard life to knock out some past lives without actually playing caster wiz. Any recommendations?

[unbongwah]

Sorry, I'm mostly retired from DDO these days. I've seen some interesting build discussions since Update 41 came out, but I haven't tried Eldritch Knight recently.

[Luxmus]

With the Update 38 overhaul to druids, I thought I'd take a crack at a TYWA bear build. Nature's Protector adds up to +13 CON which is nice; while Rising Fury is another +10 CON when fully stacked.

<theorycrafting intensifies>

Build goal: a bear tank with a viable Earthquake / Burst of Glacial Wrath DC. Is it possible?! Probably not but let's give it a go.

Kundarak Ursa Major
Druid 20
True Neutral Dwarf




Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        10       +3       4: WIS
Dexterity        8       +3       8: WIS
Constitution    20       +3      12: WIS
Intelligence    10       +3      16: WIS
Wisdom          18       +3      20: WIS
Charisma         6       +3      24: WIS
                                 28: WIS


Skills
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Concent   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Heal      4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Intim     4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
UMD       2     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     11
Balance            1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1   9
Tumble       1                                                         1
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         16  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5




Feats


 1        : Quicken Spell
 3        : Power Attack
 6        : Cleave OR Natural Fighting
 9        : Great Cleave OR Natural Fighting
12        : Improved Critical: Slashing
15        : Combat Expertise
18        : Spell Focus: Evocation
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Burst of Glacial Wrath OR Natural Fighting
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Epic Fortitude OR Natural Fighting
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea


 2 Druid  : Wild Shape 1: Bear
 5 Druid  : Wild Shape 1: Wolf
 8 Druid  : Wild Shape 2: Dire Bear
11 Druid  : Wild Shape 2: Winter Wolf
13 Druid  : Wild Shape 3: Fire Elemental
17 Druid  : Wild Shape 3: Water Elemental




Enhancements (80+12 AP)


Nature's Protector (41 AP)
Nature's Protector, Nature's Defense, Magical Beast, Big Claws, Big Bear, The Great Bear
Rage of the Beast II, Bloody Claws III, Enchanted Defense III
Primal Beast II, Bloody Claws, Grizzled Defense III
Enduring Beast II, Savage Roar, Ursa's Heart III
Undying Beast, Beast Awakened, Ursa's Spirit III
Beast Unleashed, Bear Charge, Lightning Strikes the Mountain, Ursa's Will III, Force of Nature III

Nature's Warrior (25 AP)
Natural Adept, Nature's Senses, Nature's Bounty, A True Hunter
Extra Wild Empathy III, Beastial Nature I
Flight III, Double Strike Boost III
Fight III, Prey on the Weak II, Essence of the Shrike II
Four Legs Good, Ferocity III

Dwarf (18 AP)
Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution, Dwarven Toughness II, Dwarven Constitution II
Axe Training, Dwarven Armor Mastery III
Axe Training
Axe Training
Axe Training, Throw Your Weight Around

Season's Herald (8 AP)
Child of Summer, Elder of Winter
Beguile II, Wax and Wane
Wax and Wane



Destiny (24 AP)


Legendary Dreadnought
Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Imp. Combat Expertise, Imp. Power Attack, Damage Boost III
Haste Boost III
(none)
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
Wild Weapons (Tier 4 Fury)
Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
School Specialist: Evocation (Tier 2 Magister)
Shield Prowess (Tier 1 Sentinel)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)

Need to use a shield for Ursa Protector bonuses, so this is S&B with axes; using hammers or heavy picks instead is an easy conversion. [EDIT: need to invest in UMD so you can use Master's Touch scrolls for weapon prof, if nothing else.] Basically it uses Power Attack + Rage of the Beast when focusing on melee DPS, tossing out spells / bear attacks whenever Essence of the Shrike (EotS) procs. When tanking, it disables Rage and turns on Combat Expertise for extra AC and PRR.


Drawbacks - gods, where to begin?

• First off, there's the high AP cost of, well, everything: 41 in Nature's Protector for the capstone, 18 in dwarf racial for TYWA, and at least 21 in Nature's Warrior for the +1 crit multipler. So theoretically doable without racial PLs, but you have to give up tier-4 NW, Season's Herald, and/or Harper.
• STR to-hit, CON to melee damage, WIS for DCs - can you say "multiple attribute dependency," kids?
• Since the druid trees didn't get any crit range bonuses (only the +1 crit multiplier from NW), it makes sense for pure wolf / bear builds to use weapons with a wide threat range, like scimitars or falchions. So of course this build uses 1H axes which are only 20/x3 weapons. Warhammers are also 20/x3, although Pulverizer ought to work in animal form now (though I haven't tested), which would give them an advantage. Or use picks: Deathnip is still great for heroics but there's no named options in epics. Either way you go, though, you are not going to get nearly as many temp SPs from EotS as wolf druid builds which have higher attack speed and a better crit threat range.
• I believe the spell cooldown penalties from bear form (1.5x w/capstone) and Combat Expertise (3x) stack. So your spell usage goes way down in full-tank mode.
• Even if we ignore Spellpower (besides Positive) and just use spells for buffs, heals, and CC (i.e. no caster DPS), gearing will be a huge PITA. Because you need all the usual melee-tank gear plus some DC-boosting gear. And that's before you factor in druid restrictions (i.e., no metal armor nor shields).
• Lay Waste works in animal forms; however, Momentum Swing does not (well, didn't - haven't checked if it still doesn't post-U38). So with no way to reset LW's timer, there's not much incentive to use it on an animal build.

Even by my standards, this build seems like a terribly gimp idea, which is why I am so excited at the prospect of someone volunteering to test it for me to see just how bad it is.

Hey. What shield would you choose? Metal dosent work because of Druidic Oath

[unbongwah]

Hey. What shield would you choose? Metal dosent work because of Druidic Oath

https://ddowiki.com/page/Druid_equipment

Bear (haha) in mind I came up with that build after the druid revamp but before the Falconry tree came out. So if you really want a WIS-based bear (or wolf) druid, it's better to go that way instead.

[CrimsonP]

CON-based paladin is counter-intuitive given that Divine Might is (still) a STR bonus. But functionally it's actually pretty similar to barb or Kensei: INT to hit from Harper, CON to dmg from TYWA.

Kundarak Knight
Paladin 20
Lawful Good Dwarf


Stats
               32pt     34pt     36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     ----     ----     --------
Strength        14       14       14       +3       4: CON
Dexterity        8        8        8                8: CON
Constitution    20       20       20               12: CON
Intelligence    16       16       16       +2      16: CON
Wisdom           8        8        8               20: CON
Charisma         6        8       10               24: CON
                                                   28: CON

Feats

 1        : Power Attack
 3        : Two Handed Fighting
 6        : Quicken Spell
 9        : Improved Critical: Slashing
12        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
15        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
18        : Empower Healing Spell
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Cleave OR Bulwark of Defense
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting OR Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Insightful Reflexes OR Epic Fortitude
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

 1 Deity  : Follower of: Onatar
 6 Deity  : Onatar's Forge


Enhancements (80 AP)

Knight of the Chalice (41 AP)
Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II, Improved Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil III, Champion of Good
Extra Remove Disease II, Extra Smite II
Exalted Cleave III, Melee Power Boost III
Improved Restoration III, Divine Sacrifice I, Vigor of Life, Exalted Smite II
Censure Demons, Passion I, Vigor of Life, Empowered Smite
Censure Outsiders, Holy Retribution III, Avenging Cleave III, Sealed Life

Dwarf (18 AP)
Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution, Dwarven Toughness II, Dwarven Constitution II
Iron Stomach III, Axe Training
Axe Training
Axe Training
Axe Training, Throw Your Weight Around

Sacred Defender (13 AP)
Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense
Extra Lay On Hands III, Durable Defense III
Resilient Defense II
Tenacious Defense III

Harper Agent (8 AP)
Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
Know the Angles III


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought
Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack
Lay Waste, Haste Boost III
(none)
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Sentinel)

Specced from greataxes: converting to mauls is straight-forward. TWF variant would involve swapping STR for DEX (needs +3 DEX tome instead) and trading THF for TWF feats. Iron Stomach is for lulz; we all worship our gods in our own special ways...

Got a ton of extra racial APs? Sweet, go heavier into SD:

Enhancements (80+12 AP)

Knight of the Chalice (41 AP)
Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II, Improved Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil III, Champion of Good
Extra Remove Disease II, Extra Smite II
Exalted Cleave III, Melee Power Boost III
Improved Restoration III, Divine Sacrifice I, Vigor of Life, Exalted Smite II
Censure Demons, Passion I, Vigor of Life, Empowered Smite
Censure Outsiders, Holy Retribution III, Avenging Cleave III, Sealed Life

Sacred Defender (25 AP)
Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense, Divine Righteousness, Redemption
Extra Lay On Hands III, Durable Defense III
Bulwark Aura III, Resilient Defense II
Resistance Aura III, Tenacious Defense III
Swift Defense, Hardy Defense III

Dwarf (18 AP)
Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution, Dwarven Toughness II, Dwarven Constitution II
Iron Stomach III, Axe Training
Axe Training
Axe Training
Axe Training, Throw Your Weight Around

Harper Agent (8 AP)
Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
Know the Angles III

Could you give and update for the changes to KotC since update 45.

[unbongwah]

Could you give and update for the changes to KotC since update 45.

I've been thinking about it. Now that Divine Might is an Insight bonus to to-hit and damage instead of STR, I could use it instead of Know the Angles. Which would make more sense in terms of synergy with paladin abilities. You'd still need to use STR for to-hit, but that's the downside to most TYWA builds. You wind up with something like 41 KotC / 21 Sacred D / 18 dwarf.

So a quick-n-dirty update (Enhancements TBD):

Kundarak Knight (U45)
Paladin 20
Lawful Good Dwarf


Stats
               32pt     34pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     ----     --------
Strength        15       15       +2       4: CON
Dexterity        8        8       +2       8: CON
Constitution    20       20       +2      12: CON
Intelligence     8        8       +2      16: CON
Wisdom           8        8       +2      20: CON
Charisma        13       14       +2      24: CON
                                          28: CON

Feats

 1        : Two Handed Fighting
 3        : Power Attack
 6        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
 9        : Improved Critical: Slashing
12        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
15        : Quicken Spell
18        : Empower Healing Spell
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Bulwark of Defense
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
29 Destiny: Dire Charge
30 Epic   : Epic Fortitude
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

 1 Deity  : Follower of: Onatar
 6 Deity  : Onatar's Forge

It gets even more interesting / complicated if you decide to go S&B with dwarven axes to take advantage of the extra Strikethrough from the Axe Training line. Still mulling that one.

[Kutalp]

I've been thinking about it. Now that Divine Might is an Insight bonus to to-hit and damage instead of STR, I could use it instead of Know the Angles. Which would make more sense in terms of synergy with paladin abilities. You'd still need to use STR for to-hit, but that's the downside to most TYWA builds. You wind up with something like 41 KotC / 21 Sacred D / 18 dwarf.

So a quick-n-dirty update (Enhancements TBD):

Kundarak Knight (U45)
Paladin 20
Lawful Good Dwarf


Stats
               32pt     34pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     ----     --------
Strength        15       15       +2       4: CON
Dexterity        8        8       +2       8: CON
Constitution    20       20       +2      12: CON
Intelligence     8        8       +2      16: CON
Wisdom           8        8       +2      20: CON
Charisma        13       14       +2      24: CON
                                          28: CON

Feats

 1        : Two Handed Fighting
 3        : Power Attack
 6        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
 9        : Improved Critical: Slashing
12        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
15        : Quicken Spell
18        : Empower Healing Spell
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Bulwark of Defense
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
29 Destiny: Dire Charge
30 Epic   : Epic Fortitude
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

 1 Deity  : Follower of: Onatar
 6 Deity  : Onatar's Forge

It gets even more interesting / complicated if you decide to go S&B with dwarven axes to take advantage of the extra Strikethrough from the Axe Training line. Still mulling that one.

[Captain_Wizbang]

It gets even more interesting / complicated if you decide to go S&B with dwarven axes to take advantage of the extra Strikethrough from the Axe Training line. Still mulling that one.

After tomorrows patch, I have a Pally that will be running this in S&B W/ D axes. I just wish the devs would give true vanguard pally/ ftr builds the defenses they deserve.

+1 for the post