Use Magic Device

[BandVP]

Hey guys!

UMD is an amazing thing, and we all love it!

However how do you get a high UMD for any class. Espically at heroics my UMD is **** and i have 12 at level 13. What am i doing wrong? How can i improve it? thanks all

[Livmo]

Hey guys!

UMD is an amazing thing, and we all love it!

However how do you get a high UMD for any class. Espically at heroics my UMD is **** and i have 12 at level 13. What am i doing wrong? How can i improve it? thanks all

• Increasing CHA ablity stat.
• Increasing UMD skill via tomes
• 3x heroic arty past life feats
• Investing in the UMD skill when leveling (any class can do this)
• If you're just shy on the %of a scroll like raise or res, then use Greater Heroism or the Human Action Boost to skills.
• Gear with UMD on it.

I like to hit 40 UMD going into epics for my Heal, Rez, and Greater Rez scrolls.

[FranOhmsford]

Hey guys!

UMD is an amazing thing, and we all love it!

However how do you get a high UMD for any class. Espically at heroics my UMD is **** and i have 12 at level 13. What am i doing wrong? How can i improve it? thanks all

What class are you?

For most classes 12 UMD at Lvl 13 1st Life isn't bad.
Because UMD gear is few and far between and UMD Tomes are separate from standard skill tomes {you have to actually buy them separately}.

UMD is a Class Skill for maybe 4 classes - Warlock, Bard, Rogue and Artificer - This means any other class that doesn't have at least one level of one of these is stuck at a maximum of 2 at 1st level and 1 for each subsequent level or at lvl 12 - 13.

There is the http://ddowiki.com/page/Golden_Cartouche which can be got from the end reward list of Delera's Tomb Chain which can give you +3 to UMD.
There is some random UMD gear that I think would generally give +2 at your level which won't stack with the aforementioned named item.
And
You can use Heroism Pots or Greater Heroism Pots/Scrolls to get your UMD up by another 2-4 points.

You should also invest in a +6 - +8 Charisma item for another 3-4 UMD if you haven't already.

So....
Base Skill 13
Charisma Dumped at 8 and a +6 Cha item = 14 or +2 {16 Cha is +3, 18 +4 and so on}.
A +2-3 item
And you should be able to get to 17-20 UMD
Add a Heroism Pot and your UMD goes up to 19-22
Add a GH Pot/Scroll and your UMD is between 21 and 24.

Tomes will push this up further but I wouldn't be looking to buy UMD tomes until I'd bought quite a lot else for this game.

[Selvera]

If UMD isn't a class skill and CHA isn't a useful stat; getting UMD up there can be really hard, but it is still manageable. Here's a breakdown of my UMD at level 10 with an off-class.

Base Skillpoints (Cross-classed): 6.5 -> max'd cross class skillpoints. It's rounded down, so 6.
Base Charisma: -1 to +1 -> If the class needs other stats more; I'm not likely to have more then 12 base cha, sometimes 8.
Items: +4 to +5 -> http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Golden_Cartouche and http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:The_Big_Top. You can also use http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Voice_of_the_Master for an additional +1.
Charisma Item: +2 -> I'll tend to have at least a +4 charisma item to put on to make my UMD work better by level 10.
Tomes: +1 -> I don't have a UMD tome, but I do have a Cha tome, which adds +2 cha = +1 UMD at level 10.
Guild Buffs: +4 -> Guild buffs give +3 to UMD and +2 to charisma.
Heroism: +2 -> You can buy heroism pots at the guild vendor or at various other vendors. Drink one before using low % chance scrolls. There's also various heroism clickie items and at least 1 greater heroism clickie in the game.

Total UMD: 18 to 21 at level 10. Raise dead scrolls take a check of 36; which means I can expect a 15% to 30% chance of raising dead via scroll at level 10. Carry a stack of 100 scrolls and you're sure to get lucky eventually.

That's not max since I don't have all the UMD pastlives (artificer and gnome) and I don't have a UMD tome. I also don't have the completionist feat.

Obviously; for any class with UMD as a class skill (such as rogue, artificer or warlock) this is much, much easier as you'll have 13 points at level 10 instead of 6. For any class which has high charisma but doesn't have UMD as a class skill (bard, paladin, sorcerer), this is moderately easier; as a 18 starting charisma means you have +4 from your base charisma instead of -1 to +1.

Note: I chose level 10 for an example; because that's about the point when I usually start using res scrolls with cross classed UMD; and also because that's before greensteel comes into the picture; I'd rather show an example which doesn't include raid loot from a much-higher-level raid.

[cupajoe]

As a long time UMD addict I would like to add Persuasion items and the store bought bunny hat. Persuasion items boost all charisma skills and the bunny hat has an undocumented clicky that boosts UMD. Oh and I believe that you can craft persuasion items.

Also you can use hero pots to get you close enough to cast GH scrolls which can get you closer to casting that raise dead scroll!

Lastly, on characters that don't come by UMD easily, you may not be able to have a constant high UMD score until you are a higher level, but, you can create a set of UMD gear and items that you swap to when you need to cast.

Dang it, I think they changed the bunny hat! Not sure. Can anybody confirm if it still provides a secret UMD boost when clicked?

[Arch-Necromancer]

UMD is a Class Skill for maybe 4 classes - Warlock, Bard, Rogue and Artificer - This means any other class that doesn't have at least one level of one of these is stuck at a maximum of 2 at 1st level and 1 for each subsequent level or at lvl 12 - 13.

Is there a logical reason why wizards and sorcerers (the definition of a magic user) do not have Use magic device as a class skill? Pen and paper?

[Saekee]

No need to reinvent tthe wheel http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Use_Magic_Device

Is there a logical reason why wizards and sorcerers (the definition of a magic user) do not have Use magic device as a class skill? Pen and paper?

do wizards work divine spells? UMD affects use of divine or arcane spells. Yes, the word 'wizard' signifies magic but the practice of wizard in DDO is confined to arcane magic.

[cdbd3rd]

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Dang it, I think they changed the bunny hat! Not sure. Can anybody confirm if it still provides a secret UMD boost when clicked?

The Good Bunny, or the Bad Bunny?

I have a Bad Bunny - it does not. (I checked the display and combat log using a scroll.) No change before/after activating it.

[Selvera]

Is there a logical reason why wizards and sorcerers (the definition of a magic user) do not have Use magic device as a class skill? Pen and paper?

Because wizards and sorcerers can automatically cast spells from scrolls and wands that a wizard and sorcerer would logically be able to cast from; without needing any investment in any skill like use magic device. I guess the guys who wrote pen + paper didn't feel like wizards being able to use heal scrolls was too integral to the class. (and yes it does come from P+P). http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm Note the list of class skills.

[GeoffWatson]

As a long time UMD addict I would like to add Persuasion items and the store bought bunny hat. Persuasion items boost all charisma skills and the bunny hat has an undocumented clicky that boosts UMD. Oh and I believe that you can craft persuasion items.

Also you can use hero pots to get you close enough to cast GH scrolls which can get you closer to casting that raise dead scroll!

Lastly, on characters that don't come by UMD easily, you may not be able to have a constant high UMD score until you are a higher level, but, you can create a set of UMD gear and items that you swap to when you need to cast.

Dang it, I think they changed the bunny hat! Not sure. Can anybody confirm if it still provides a secret UMD boost when clicked?

It provides a bonus if you are wearing it and holding a wand or scroll. You see a "hat" symbol on your buff bar. It's a normal item bonus and doesn't stack with Persuasion.

[cupajoe]

The Good Bunny, or the Bad Bunny?

I have a Bad Bunny - it does not. (I checked the display and combat log using a scroll.) No change before/after activating it.

Good bunny.

[cupajoe]

It provides a bonus if you are wearing it and holding a wand or scroll. You see a "hat" symbol on your buff bar. It's a normal item bonus and doesn't stack with Persuasion.

I see the error of my statement. You don't need to click the bunny hat, you need to equip a scroll or wand. But does it currently work?

Oh and as to stacking, the lower level (lvl 20 I think) of the spyglass from the cove has a UMD bonus that stacks with the bunny hat (or did) but the higher UMD bonus from the highest level (lvl 24 I think) of spyglass did not stack. Heck I bet this is where my guildies statement about the hat no longer working comes from. I am not be able to check until this weekend.

[Arch-Necromancer]

No need to reinvent tthe wheel http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Use_Magic_Device

do wizards work divine spells? UMD affects use of divine or arcane spells. Yes, the word 'wizard' signifies magic but the practice of wizard in DDO is confined to arcane magic.

I get your point, but it is a skill after all, something that you can choose to specialize in. So it would make sense for a magic user to be able to specialize in a way to be able to use a different type of magic.

But:

Because wizards and sorcerers can automatically cast spells from scrolls and wands that a wizard and sorcerer would logically be able to cast from; without needing any investment in any skill like use magic device. I guess the guys who wrote pen + paper didn't feel like wizards being able to use heal scrolls was too integral to the class. (and yes it does come from P+P). http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm Note the list of class skills.

If that's a pen and paper thing then it shoud stay that way. Maybe if they change it one day in pen and paper in some new ruleset it could be changed in DDO too, but until that happens it should stay the way it is.

Thanks for your replies.

As for the way of increasing UMD, I would suggest farming Treasure hunter spyglass from Crystal cove event. It gives UMD bonus and is a great trinket for any class that has levels in rogue or artificer, but it can be good for other classes too. True sight and spot is always a nice thing to have so that you can spot traps and enemies before they come close to you.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Treasure_of_Crystal_Cove

[psykopeta]

and gs bonus to cha skills doesn't stack with these listed? i thought it did

[JOTMON]

Hey guys!

UMD is an amazing thing, and we all love it!

However how do you get a high UMD for any class. Espically at heroics my UMD is **** and i have 12 at level 13. What am i doing wrong? How can i improve it? thanks all

There is some hunting involved to get all the stacking sources.. an abundance of DDO store points doesn't hurt either..

Other posters above have shown some good sources to boost UMD..

The DDOWIKI has great listing of stacking sources.
http://ddowiki.com/page/Use_Magic_Device


also
..Cannith Crafting.. for best Charisma stats at level and crafted Persuasion
Persuasion: This item gives a +3 competency bonus to all Charisma based skills (Including UMD).
I like this site..
http://ccplanner.byethost14.com/?i=3

.. Heroic Slavers for Quality and set bonus.
http://ddowiki.com/page/Slave_Lords_Crafting

[DrakHar]

I see the error of my statement. You don't need to click the bunny hat, you need to equip a scroll or wand. But does it currently work?

Oh and as to stacking, the lower level (lvl 20 I think) of the spyglass from the cove has a UMD bonus that stacks with the bunny hat (or did) but the higher UMD bonus from the highest level (lvl 24 I think) of spyglass did not stack. Heck I bet this is where my guildies statement about the hat no longer working comes from. I am not be able to check until this weekend.

It certianly works. I use it no fail my heal scrolls around level 9. Admittedly, I rogue splash, but my base cha is often between 8-10.

[BandVP]

• Increasing CHA ablity stat.
• Increasing UMD skill via tomes
• 3x heroic arty past life feats
• Investing in the UMD skill when leveling (any class can do this)
• If you're just shy on the %of a scroll like raise or res, then use Greater Heroism or the Human Action Boost to skills.
• Gear with UMD on it.

I like to hit 40 UMD going into epics for my Heal, Rez, and Greater Rez scrolls.

will do thanks