Monk Build Request

[CThruTheEgo]

Thank you so much for the help, can you list me recommended gear too please? I have some things that are nice such as a really good pair of gogles and sightless as my hat

I'm out of touch with current gear setups, so I can't be of much help. For endgame, I'd focus on some combination of Slaver's, Cannith crafted, and various named.

[Gargoyle69]

Two things. First, due to the changes of the to-hit formula a long time ago, oversized two weapon fighting is not worth taking anymore. From the wiki, here is the current to-hit formula:

Your chance to hit is no longer based on a d20 roll, but is now rounded to the nearest 5% percent based on the above formula (the d20 roll is added to the Player's Attack Bonus in the formula). So a change in your to-hit does nothing at all if it isn't high enough to round you up to the next 5%.

Oversized two weapon fighting lowers your to-hit penalty by 2 for each hand while two weapon fighting, which is a small increase in the formula above. Whether or not that 2 is enough to push you up to the next 5% depends on your current attack bonus, your d20 roll, and the target's AC. In most cases, it probably isn't going to make a difference.

Hmmm... You're right. For some reason I had it in my head that you still needed it. Good catch.

Second, I just tested whirlwind attack in game while dual wielding short swords. The feat is still gimped with weapons. On an unarmed monk it hits every mob for 2-4 hits each. On a weapon build, it hits each mob once (with only the main hand weapon) and has a very slow animation with a delay afterwards before you start attacking again. For this reason, I would only take whirlwind attack on an unarmed build.

Darn it, you're right again! :-P

2 out of 2, I take my hat off to you sir.

[Jappy]

Hmmm... You're right. For some reason I had it in my head that you still needed it. Good catch.



Darn it, you're right again! :-P

2 out of 2, I take my hat off to you sir.

Thanks for the help guys

[Jappy]

Here ya go. Str based centered khopesh kensai in fire stance for the extra crit multiplier. Dreadnaught for max dps. Human action surge strength along with melee power boost from ninja spy, haste boost from kensai, damage boost from human, and 11 boosts of each (33 total), so you should be able to keep yourself boosted nearly all the time.

Fighter has stronger enhancement trees, so I started with 6 levels of fighter to benefit from those sooner. But you get your 12th monk level by 18 so you can take grandmaster of forms there.

Just enough int get the essential skills: concentration, heal, and UMD. Fill in the rest of the skills with whatever you want. I'd probably go with balance, but nothing else is essential.

In addition to the standard TWF line, imp crit, and weapon focus/specialization for fighter enhancements, I took the cleave line for AoE dps and dodge/mobility/spring attack line for damage avoidance.

It should be heavy on the dps and decently survivable. Let me know how it works for you or if there's anything about it you want to tweak.

Centered kensai khopesh 2
12/8 Monk/Fighter
Lawful Neutral Human


Level Order

1. Fighter . . . . 6. Fighter. . . . 11. Monk . . . . . 16. Monk
2. Fighter . . . . 7. Monk. . . . . .12. Monk. . . . . .17. Monk
3. Fighter . . . . 8. Monk. . . . . .13. Monk. . . . . .18. Monk
4. Fighter . . . . 9. Monk. . . . . .14. Monk. . . . . .19. Fighter
5. Fighter . . . .10. Monk. . . . . .15. Monk. . . . . .20. Fighter


Stats
. . . . . . . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 18. . . .+2. . . .4: STR
Dexterity . . . 16. . . .+3. . . .8: STR
Constitution. . 15. . . . . . . .12: STR
Intelligence. . 10. . . .+3. . . 16: STR
Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . .+2. . . 20: STR
Charisma. . . . .8. . . .+3. . . 24: STR
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: STR

Skills
. . . . . F .F. F .F. F .F. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. M. F .F
. . . . . 1 .2. 3 .4. 5 .6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Concent . 2 .½. ½ .½. ½ . . 4. 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1 .1. 23
Heal. . . 2 .½. ½ .½. ½ .½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½ . . 11
UMD . . . 2 .½. ½ .½. ½ .½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½ . . 11
Tumble. . . . . . . . . . . . .1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .12 .3. 3 .3. 3 .2. 6. 6. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 4 .2
. . . . .12 .3. 3 .3. 3 .3. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 4 .4


Feats

.1. . . . : Power Attack
.1 Human. : Cleave
.1 Fighter: Two Weapon Fighting
.2 Fighter: Weapon Focus: Slashing
.3. . . . : Dodge
.4 Fighter: Great Cleave
.6. . . . : Improved Two Weapon Fighting
.6 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Slashing
.7 Monk . : Mobility
.8 Monk . : Spring Attack
.9. . . . : Improved Critical: Slashing
.9 Monk . : Path of Harmonious Balance
12. . . . : Exotic Weapon: Khopesh
12 Monk . : Precision
15. . . . : Greater Two Weapon Fighting
18. . . . : Grandmaster of Forms
20 Fighter: Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing
21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic . : Improved Martial Arts
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic . : Blinding Speed
28 Destiny: Holy Strike
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic . : Epic Damage Reduction
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea


Enhancements (80 AP)

Kensei (35 AP)

• Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought
  1. Extra Action Boost III, Weapon Group Specialization, Exotic Weapon Mastery, Haste Boost III
  2. Weapon Group Specialization
  3. Critical Mastery III, Weapon Group Specialization
  4. Opportunity Attack, Weapon Group Specialization, Liquid Courage, Strike at the Heart
  5. A Good Death: Melee, Weapon Master, One with the Blade, Deadly Strike, Keen Edge

Ninja Spy (11 AP)

• Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
  1. Sneak Attack Training, Acrobatic III
  2. Melee/Ranged Power Boost III

Shintao (11 AP)

• Bastion of Purity, Protection from Tainted Creatures, Iron Hand
  1. Deft Strikes III, Ki Shout
  2. Iron Skin III

Henshin Mystic (11 AP)

• Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt, Sounding Staff
  1. Mystic Training III, Way of the: Patient Tortoise
  2. Contemplation III

Human (6 AP)

• Damage Boost
  1. Action Surge: Strength III, Improved Recovery

Stalwart Defender (6 AP)

• Toughness, Stalwart Defense
  1. Item Defense I, Durable Defense III

Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought

1. Extra Action Boost II, Strength
2. Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack, Strength
3. Lay Waste, Critical Damage III, Strength
4. (none)
5. Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
6. Master's Blitz

Twists of Fate (31 fate points)

1. Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
2. Balanced Attacks (Tier 3 Primal)
3. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
4. Dance of Flowers (Tier 1 Flowers)
5. Purge the Wicked (Tier 1 Crusader)

one more question, What weapons do I use until level 12 when I can use kopeshes?

[CThruTheEgo]

one more question, What weapons do I use until level 12 when I can use kopeshes?

Once you begin the monk levels, I'd go with short swords to stay centered. From 1-6 though, you can use whatever you want. In fact, you could move khopesh proficiency to level 2 and move weapon focus, dodge, mobility, and spring attack up to fill in the gap.

On the other hand, the named short sword from Three Barrel Cove wilderness is pretty nice at level 4. You could certainly farm a pair of those and use them until level 12. EDIT: The Tiefling Assassin's Blade.

[Jappy]

Once you begin the monk levels, I'd go with short swords to stay centered. From 1-6 though, you can use whatever you want. In fact, you could move khopesh proficiency to level 2 and move weapon focus, dodge, mobility, and spring attack up to fill in the gap.

On the other hand, the named short sword from Three Barrel Cove wilderness is pretty nice at level 4. You could certainly farm a pair of those and use them until level 12. EDIT: The Tiefling Assassin's Blade.

Whenever I equip daggers it says im not centered any clue why? (im level 7)

[GeoffWatson]

Whenever I equip daggers it says im not centered any clue why? (im level 7)

Daggers are not Monk weapons.

Ninja Training just adds Shortwsords to the Monk weapons list.

I'd like it if it did include Daggers, and Monks generally got Clubs and other simple weapons as they are common in RL martial arts.
Also, combine Sickle amd Kama into one weapon - they're the same thing, and it gives Monks and Druids access to a few more named items.

[Jappy]

Daggers are not Monk weapons.

Ninja Training just adds Shortwsords to the Monk weapons list.

I'd like it if it did include Daggers, and Monks generally got Clubs and other simple weapons as they are common in RL martial arts.
Also, combine Sickle amd Kama into one weapon - they're the same thing, and it gives Monks and Druids access to a few more named items.

OIkay well I have to modify the build a bit because you have to be 8 fighter before you can take tier 4 weapon specialization, also correct me if im wrong though

[CThruTheEgo]

OIkay well I have to modify the build a bit because you have to be 8 fighter before you can take tier 4 weapon specialization, also correct me if im wrong though

That is correct. Tier 4 weapon specialization requires greater weapon focus which is not available until fighter level 8. Tier 4 weapon specialization is only a prerequisite for tier 5 weapon master. Together, they provide you with +5 damage.

You will still have access to all the other tier 5s without tier 4 weapon specialization, though. And you need to take your 12 monk levels by level 18 so you can spend your level 18 feat on grandmaster of forms. Otherwise you have to spend an epic feat on it, or not take it at all.

In the long run, it will be better to keep the build as is and just forego tier 4 weapon specialization and weapon master until level 20.

[Jappy]

That is correct. Tier 4 weapon specialization requires greater weapon focus which is not available until fighter level 8. Tier 4 weapon specialization is only a prerequisite for tier 5 weapon master. Together, they provide you with +5 damage.

You will still have access to all the other tier 5s without tier 4 weapon specialization, though. And you need to take your 12 monk levels by level 18 so you can spend your level 18 feat on grandmaster of forms. Otherwise you have to spend an epic feat on it, or not take it at all.

In the long run, it will be better to keep the build as is and just forego tier 4 weapon specialization and weapon master until level 20.

Okay well I took fighter at level 8 giving me 7 levels of fighter would I have to ouse a +1 heart of wood to fix it? or what else could I do

[Jappy]

Okay well I took fighter at level 8 giving me 7 levels of fighter would I have to ouse a +1 heart of wood to fix it? or what else could I do

Actually I can take a placement holder feat, and then take 12 levels of monk by level 19 meaning that once I hit level 19 or 20 I can do a feat swap, (because you get a free one) and I will have it as my level 18 feat

[CThruTheEgo]

Actually I can take a placement holder feat, and then take 12 levels of monk by level 19 meaning that once I hit level 19 or 20 I can do a feat swap, (because you get a free one) and I will have it as my level 18 feat

I don't know if that will work or not. I know for some feats, maybe all of them, you cannot swap a feat to a level before you would have the pre-req.

You're alternative (or only option if you can't swap it) is to give up one of epic damage reduction, improved martial arts, or grandmaster of forms. If you're stuck with this option, then take a look at what each one offers and decide which one seems to offer you the least.

And in the future, always plan out build changes in full, preferably using a planner, to avoid making mistakes such as this.

EDIT: A +1 heart will work to correct the problem, but that costs money. Up to you if it's worth the cost or not.

[Jappy]

I don't know if that will work or not. I know for some feats, maybe all of them, you cannot swap a feat to a level before you would have the pre-req.

You're alternative (or only option if you can't swap it) is to give up one of epic damage reduction, improved martial arts, or grandmaster of forms. If you're stuck with this option, then take a look at what each one offers and decide which one seems to offer you the least.

And in the future, always plan out build changes in full, preferably using a planner, to avoid making mistakes such as this.

EDIT: A +1 heart will work to correct the problem, but that costs money. Up to you if it's worth the cost or not.

I mean I could always TR at 20 and start off as a PDK, this would allow me to get a 2nd monk life and a pdk past life

[CThruTheEgo]

I mean I could always TR at 20 and start off as a PDK, this would allow me to get a 2nd monk life and a pdk past life

That is also an option. A monk past life is certainly nice with its +1 damage.

[Jappy]

That is also an option. A monk past life is certainly nice with its +1 damage.

Also When I get level 20 I could use a +0 lesser heart of wood and try that out

[CThruTheEgo]

Also When I get level 20 I could use a +0 lesser heart of wood and try that out

A +0 heart won't work. You need to move the levels around, and you need a +1 to do that.

EDIT: As of now, you need a +1. If you were to alter the levels further, then you might need a higher + heart. For example, if you remained a 12 monk/8 fighter by taking monk at level 19, then you'd need to change level 7 to monk and 19 to fighter. For every level you want to switch the class, you need to add 1 to the +x.

[Jappy]

A +0 heart won't work. You need to move the levels around, and you need a +1 to do that.

EDIT: As of now, you need a +1. If you were to alter the levels further, then you might need a higher + heart. For example, if you remained a 12 monk/8 fighter by taking monk at level 19, then you'd need to change level 7 to monk and 19 to fighter. For every level you want to switch the class, you need to add 1 to the +x.

The information youve given me is false, I need to have 8 fighter levels before I am able to be centered with kopeshes so I wil,l go as I like to proceed

[CThruTheEgo]

The information youve given me is false, I need to have 8 fighter levels before I am able to be centered with kopeshes so I wil,l go as I like to proceed

I don't know where you are getting that info, but that is incorrect. To be centered with khopesh requires the tier 5 kensai enhancement one with the blade. You must be character level 12 and have 5 levels of the class you intend to take tier 5s in before you can take any tier 5s. One with the blade does not currently have any pre-requisites. One with the blade used to have tier 5 weapon master as a pre-requisite, which requires tier 4 weapon group specialization, which requires greater weapon focus, which requires 8 fighter levels. When the fighter pass happened, one with the blade requiring tier 5 weapon master as a pre-requisite was removed due to player complaints that it was the only tier 5 which required more than 5 class levels to take.

One with the blade only requires 5 fighter levels and 12 character levels. You say you're character is already level 7, take a look at the enhancements. Mouse-over one with the blade. You will see it has no pre-requisites beyond those normally required by any tier 5. Feel free to build it however you like, though.

[Jappy]

I don't know where you are getting that info, but that is incorrect. To be centered with khopesh requires the tier 5 kensai enhancement one with the blade. You must be character level 12 and have 5 levels of the class you intend to take tier 5s in before you can take any tier 5s. One with the blade does not currently have any pre-requisites. One with the blade used to have tier 5 weapon master as a pre-requisite, which requires tier 4 weapon group specialization, which requires greater weapon focus, which requires 8 fighter levels. When the fighter pass happened, one with the blade requiring tier 5 weapon master as a pre-requisite was removed due to player complaints that it was the only tier 5 which required more than 5 class levels to take.

One with the blade only requires 5 fighter levels and 12 character levels. You say you're character is already level 7, take a look at the enhancements. Mouse-over one with the blade. You will see it has no pre-requisites beyond those normally required by any tier 5. Feel free to build it however you like, though.

Well here is what im seeing.
http://imgur.com/a/v8hKv

[CThruTheEgo]

Well here is what im seeing.
http://imgur.com/a/v8hKv

You are looking at weapon master. Weapon master does not make you centered with your weapon focus group weapons. You should be looking at one with the blade, which is the center icon in kensai's tier 5s.