Is 74 a good DC for stunning fist?

[GMoneyMackDaddy]

Is 74 a good DC for stunning fist?

Im lvl 28 pure monk TR'd 3 times.

Seem ok near end game?

(just back to the game, been away for 2 years)

[Mr_Helmet]

At cap? No.

[Powerhungry]

Is 74 a good DC for stunning fist?

Im lvl 28 pure monk TR'd 3 times.

Seem ok near end game?

(just back to the game, been away for 2 years)

not for the highest level content - 100+ will be needed for EE Slavers

[Gargoyle69]

Is 74 a good DC for stunning fist?

Im lvl 28 pure monk TR'd 3 times.

Seem ok near end game?

(just back to the game, been away for 2 years)

Welcome back!

Monks are in a pretty good place right now. In the 2 years you've been away, the main changes you may not be aware of are:
1) the recoding of handwraps as weapons - this allowed Know the Angles from the Harper Agent tree to work properly with wraps (before the tactical boost worked but the damage boost did not) making this even more attractive to stunning monks, and
2) the monk enhancement pass where they changed monk finishing moves and special attacks to benefit from stunning & combat mastery bonuses, making these abilities much more useful and therefore those items even better

In order to really bump your SF DC up for end game content, (as well as making sure your Wis is a high as possible) consider picking up KtA and the best stunning / CM and insightful stunning /CM items you can.

Here's a couple of examples of stuff around your level :
http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_...f_the_Innocent
http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Animated_Rope
http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Consu...ess_(Level_28)
http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Skirm...let_(Level_27)

Hope that helps!

[Nightmanis]

Is 74 a good DC for stunning fist?

Im lvl 28 pure monk TR'd 3 times.

Seem ok near end game?

(just back to the game, been away for 2 years)

Apparently not. From my spreadsheet i have for my 13 rogue 6 monk 1 fighter tactic build:

Tactics
Base 10
Stat 31 (72 wis) (Slavers and cannith crafting gear)
Item 20 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Slave_Lords_Crafting)
Mastery 14 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Animated_Rope)
Destiny 6 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Legendary_Dreadnought tier 1 easily twisted)
Warrior 6 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legen...rior%27s_Focus)
Feats 2 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destiny_Feats tactician, not needed)
Past life 0
KTA 11 (54 int) (Same as wis)
Level 15 (at level 30)
Quality 4 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legen...ioner%27s_Helm

Fist 119

This is if you just want to crank those dc's. A pure monk would have higher from more potential wisdom, having fighter past lives is another +3 total, etc.

[Fecerak]

Apparently not. From my spreadsheet i have for my 13 rogue 6 monk 1 fighter tactic build:

Tactics
Base 10
Stat 31 (72 wis) (Slavers and cannith crafting gear)
Item 20 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Slave_Lords_Crafting)
Mastery 14 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Animated_Rope)
Destiny 6 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Legendary_Dreadnought tier 1 easily twisted)
Warrior 6 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legen...rior%27s_Focus)
Feats 2 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destiny_Feats tactician, not needed)
Past life 0
KTA 11 (54 int) (Same as wis)
Level 15 (at level 30)
Quality 4 (http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legen...ioner%27s_Helm

Fist 119

This is if you just want to crank those dc's. A pure monk would have higher from more potential wisdom, having fighter past lives is another +3 total, etc.

I believe the rope wouldn't stack with the slaver's item, as both are enhancement bonuses, putting you at 105 instead of 119.

[Vish]

74 is a good wisdom

But aim for 100 on DCs
Need a slavers wis item with stunning 20 on it
And kta helps a lot

See my dark shaman in monk
For some numbers on a henshin

[Allorian]

74 is a good wisdom

But aim for 100 on DCs
Need a slavers wis item with stunning 20 on it
And kta helps a lot

See my dark shaman in monk
For some numbers on a henshin

I've a fighter/Paly/Monk who uses stunning blow, w/ slavers gear and a 72 base strength my base DC is 105, which is OK but will work through most EE content. In LE and R1 and above I need to boost it as it dos not always work at that DC. At 114 and above it lands almost all of the time, for Reaper at 123 it's very reliable. It is relatively easy to get your DC's up there. Depends on the epic destiny you are in, if your not in Legendary Dreadnought, then you can twist in Legendary Tactics for 3 more to your DC's. Also you can get 3 more DC's from past live Fighter, 2 from Martial Sphere - Epic destiny feat "Tactician", Legendary feat (lvl 30) - Scion of the Astral Plane which gives you:
+4 to Tactical Feat and Assassinate DCs
+4% Doublestrike & Doubleshot. An additional +4 if you are centered.
+4% Dodge; +4 Dodge cap
+4 to Reflex Saves.

That's 12 points alone to DC's, add in gear and you can see your DC's will really get higher, probably close to 100 with gear. Just gotta grind out the gear and I think you will be good. I hope this helps you, if you are ever on Sarlona my main is Glam and I would be happy to help you out.

Thx
Glam

[Steve_Howe]

100+ at the minimum for EE or LE dungeons.

110+ would definitely be better.

[GMoneyMackDaddy]

So i've made a few changes.... with gear and enhancements and destiny... also went up 2 levels and capped my monk.

Can get SF to 94, and the belt eludes me, im trying to get. Got a nice cloak to help.

My 2 past lives are monk, and on third one. 3 fighter PL's and what thats 3 more right for 97?

And i think the belt will add 10 more to put me at 107, with 6 lives.... not bad i guess.

[Nightmanis]

I believe the rope wouldn't stack with the slaver's item, as both are enhancement bonuses, putting you at 105 instead of 119.

No it should work since combat Mastery had always stacked with the base stun items, which is what slavers is. Anyone got a confirmation on these not stacking?

[Robbenklopper]

No it should work since combat Mastery had always stacked with the base stun items, which is what slavers is. Anyone got a confirmation on these not stacking?

It doesn't Stack for me. Improved and quality yes, but not the regular. Wear Boots of the innocent then the Rope is higher by +2, wear Vision of Precision then the Googles are higher by +1. Combat Mastery is an universal base dc lifter that excludes any other regular stun Trip etc boni. Wear slavers item +20 to stun and you wont get a stacking +14 from combat Mastery. Improved and quality will add.

P.S. Doesn't seem to be wai, but imagine it would, the dcs would be really insane ... So I Guess the nwai is wai.

[Gargoyle69]

No it should work since combat Mastery had always stacked with the base stun items, which is what slavers is. Anyone got a confirmation on these not stacking?

You are correct that this is the way it operated at one point.

Combat Mastery was typed as "Insightful" instead of "Enhancement" meaning that it stacked with Stunning/Vertigo/etc, and not with Insightful Combat Mastery, instead of stacking with the latter and not with the former.

This was changed about a year ago.

Now, for example, Epic Boots of the Innocent & Legendary Animated Rope do not stack with each other as both are Enhancement, however Legendary Pendant of the Warrior's Focus will stack with either.

[Nightmanis]

Well that's one way to handle power creep i guess.

Shows what i get for being out of the loop for almost 2 years.

[GMoneyMackDaddy]

Standing 92 now.. can boost to 100.. without a slaver 20 stunning item... that item, will give me 6 more, for a 98 standing and 106 boost.. still not bad for no fighter pastlives...3 monk lives. seems to land now.. at a standing 92 about 60% of the time.