What would it take to get you to run a healing cleric in reaper?

[Mornyngstar]

I just TRed my main Mornyngstar so I can run with my guildies thru reaper as a permanent Cleric healer. We are planning on racial reincarnations so other then when we run as Warforged that is what I am going to be for the next 27/30 lives.

While it wasn't Reaper my other main Seldissan was the only healer for an LE Tempest Spine as a lv 30 Sorcerer in Exalted Angel destiny. The couple times I was killed they made sure to rez me quick.

[Gargoyle69]

If the class was more about battlefield control then rezzing people or filling up little green bars.

As it stands, a wizard is a much better healer then a cleric. Think about it. Your goal as support is to prevent your team from dying. Who does that best? Wizards of course. Mass hold monster, otto's, PK, finger, wail and so on. Nobody keeps your party alive quite like a good wizard.

Honestly, druid is the only 'support' caster done right. You're busy dropping earthquakes, sleet storms, entangles, bursts of glacial wrath, you know...things that actually keep the party alive in reaper. The only time you cast a heal is when you screw up and someone gets hit.

If the cleric pass made spells like command, soundburst, cometfall much more reliable. I'd love to see the 'summon monster' line reworked as a CC spell series. Instead of summoning a 16 HD pet that dies in about 2 hits, make it a CC type spell where any monster near where you cast it is forced to attack the creature you summoned for several seconds. Higher level versions cause bonus effects. For example summon monster 1 might affect a max amount of 3 targets for 10 seconds, summon monster 4 might affect a max of 10 targets for 15 seconds and causes them all to be slowed for 15 seconds after the effect ends. Summon monster 8 might affect a max of 20 targets for 30 seconds and causes them all to have 20% vulnerability for 1 minute.

On the protection side of things I'd love to see clerics have more power in stopping damage in the first place.

I'd like to see things like the cleric version of elemental protection 'fixed' for modern DDO such that the amount of absorb you get against elemental damage scales with your positive spell power. So a cleric with 1000 positive spell power might be able to shield their targets against 1120 elemental damage.

The temp hp form the aid spell line should scale as well. At 1000 positive spell power, let me give people a 1000 temp hp shield. If you need to, do the WoW thing and give people a debuff that prevents them from getting that shield more than once every 30 seconds.

There's a ton more but basically fudging the numbers of healing/health/etc...isn't going to make a healbot fun. I think divines should have most of their insta-kill toys taken away, but their control spells should be made significantly more versatile then arcane casters.

That might just be me though.

It's not just you. Things like this would have me playing a cleric in reaper in a heartbeat.

[Ryiah]

What would it take to get you run a healing cleric in reaper?

Nothing. Because as far as I'm concerned restricting your build to heals only is basically gimping yourself. Besides you don't really need heals on the higher numbers. You just need resurrection scrolls.

[dunklezhan]

Well, it would take me logging in with my cleric, whereupon I suspect I would get bombarded with tells from people playing Reaper, which I'm not interested in.

So... I guess.... just wait long enough and I'm bound to log on with the cleric at some point this year?

Also, surely what you really want is a druidic Mass Vigour? No-one is going to hug the cleric in Reaper to get aura heals, and the cleric if a dedicated healer isn't going to want to stand in the furball. Clerics don't I think have a mass HoT that isn't centered on self.

[MasterKernel]

Pay me. DDO Points /ASs count too.

[FranOhmsford]

Well, it would take me logging in with my cleric, whereupon I suspect I would get bombarded with tells from people playing Reaper, which I'm not interested in.

So... I guess.... just wait long enough and I'm bound to log on with the cleric at some point this year?

Also, surely what you really want is a druidic Mass Vigour? No-one is going to hug the cleric in Reaper to get aura heals, and the cleric if a dedicated healer isn't going to want to stand in the furball. Clerics don't I think have a mass HoT that isn't centered on self.

I agree with everything you just said

I still believe this year is the rise of the divines
More specifically clerics
Reaper
Pass
Expansion
All for clerics to be more op than warlocks
In ravenloft

Then well see a turn back to old style roles,
Maybe more forced on by the environment than by choice
But if they make clerics the easy button,
You know how that goes...

#clericlivesmatter

You realise that having Clerics only be any good in a full group in Reaper difficulty makes Cleric a TERRIBLE Class right?

Cleric is right now the single weakest Class in the game!

Yes your Cleric is wanted by Groups running Reaper to play Healbot but how's that Cleric supposed to do anything when those groups aren't available? That Cleric cannot choose his own route or quests to run, he's stuck running what other people want to run!
He can't even choose his own difficulty! Because he's pretty much useless in Elite anywhere near at Level!

And if you really think Clerics will be OP in Ravenloft where Divine Powers are significantly REDUCED and Paladins dare not hit detect Evil for fear of going completely bats#it insane yeah....Good one!

[Orin2]

I came back to the game recently and decided to do some heroic lives and maybe get completionist this year

I decided to try cleric and actually liked the class. Once I hit 17 I looked into figuring out a favored soul healer....ya, that was as waist of time

In the end I decided to do several epic lives as a cleric. And have ran reaper in heroic and elite and loved it. Even going heavy armor and shield to be a traditional cleric

While I will say, even with the extra DC and spell pen.(2 each so far) from the reaper tree, getting my Greater Command to work half the time is an exercise in futility.

And it is also true I will never be able to solo epic EE, I'm fine with that. Personally, if I wanted to go solo a game I'd hop back on to Fallout 4 for a bit.

See you around cannith server some time. For the foreseeable future, Debbi from The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, will be available to heal you in reaper.

[SirValentine]

What would it take to get you to run a healing cleric in reaper?

Why is that even the question?

What would it take to get you to run a healing Bard, or Favored Soul, or Druid, or Artificer, or Wizard, or whatever?

If what you're really concerned about is healing in particular, why are you not just asking, "What would it take to get you to run a healer?" Build details like level split are beside the point, are they not?

There's nothing wrong about a healing Cleric, but there's also nothing especially right about it. I question the motives behind this question that seems to be trying to force one class into a role than many classes can play, and that any given character of that class may or may not be capable of or interested in playing.

[PermaBanned]

You realise that having Clerics only be any good in a full group in Reaper difficulty makes Cleric a TERRIBLE Class right?

Cleric is right now the single weakest Class in the game!

Yes your Cleric is wanted by Groups running Reaper to play Healbot but how's that Cleric supposed to do anything when those groups aren't available? That Cleric cannot choose his own route or quests to run, he's stuck running what other people want to run!
He can't even choose his own difficulty! Because he's pretty much useless in Elite anywhere near at level!

In fairness to Clerics, and as an addendum to my first reply above: that's all really only true in Epics. In Heroics, Clerics are still as solid as ever. Not top o' the heap, but unless built tragically they can handle Heroic at level Elites & Reapers just fine. It's in Epics where they're relegated to nothing but Healbots.

Why is that even the question?

What would it take to get you to run a healing Bard, or Favored Soul, or Druid, or Artificer, or Wizard, or whatever?

If what you're really concerned about is healing in particular, why are you not just asking, "What would it take to get you to run a healer?" Build details like level split are beside the point, are they not?

There's nothing wrong about a healing Cleric, but there's also nothing especially right about it. I question the motives behind this question that seems to be trying to force one class into a role than many classes can play, and that any given character of that class may or may not be capable of or interested in playing.

Oh man. Not to disagree with you, but I do hope this isn't going to start a revival of the old "Im not a Healer, I'm a Divine!" threads... Even agreeing with the sentiment, those arguments just did nothing helpful for anyone (that I noticed anyway).

[Vish]

No-one is going to hug the cleric in Reaper to get aura heals, and the cleric if a dedicated healer isn't going to want to stand in the furball. Clerics don't I think have a mass HoT that isn't centered on self.

Yes, ppl hug the cleric
And yes, you stand danger close
And the hot is the aura
Combined with masses
Its massive overheal to avoid spikes and lag

Ppl stay together and everyone gets constantly topped off
Fighting one group of mobs at a time
Of course there is cc
That is the best damage mitigation
Stop damage before it starts
But some battles are more chaotic than others
But staying tight helps

That's been my experience

[Wizza]

If leveling a character wasn't so boring, tedious and long, and if there were actually groups to heal at cap, I would make a healer.

[Vish]

I agree with everything you just said

You realise that having Clerics only be any good in a full group in Reaper difficulty makes Cleric a TERRIBLE Class right?

Cleric is right now the single weakest Class in the game!

Yes your Cleric is wanted by Groups running Reaper to play Healbot but how's that Cleric supposed to do anything when those groups aren't available? That Cleric cannot choose his own route or quests to run, he's stuck running what other people want to run!
He can't even choose his own difficulty! Because he's pretty much useless in Elite anywhere near at Level!

And if you really think Clerics will be OP in Ravenloft where Divine Powers are significantly REDUCED and Paladins dare not hit detect Evil for fear of going completely bats#it insane yeah....Good one!

Oh Fran,
You obviously just don't how it is
When you cleric reaper, you get to lead the groups
It's a different mentality being lead on support
Ppl will feel safe knowing they have a good healer
And Zerg on

And it's not healbot
It's a very dedicated role
That requires a different skillset from dps
someppl enjoy it, some don't
But I think it's for more like static and guild
Then you can better specialize knowing you're playing roles
Pugs are a bit random
With the meta at ranged,
The true potential of melee healer combination istnt there
Ie not enough melees running
And even less clerics
It's mostly warlock leaders dragging others along
And Rez after the fight

And as for ravenloft
Never played it
Don't like vampire themes
But I do know it's a set up
For something grand
And I bet clerics will be loved agin even more
I'll do all I can to ensure it

And as for clerics soloing
That's wrong thinking
You're a team player
Not a stand alone
You work best in a group
So that's where you play
Ddo is a social game
It's good to have buddies

[TDarkchylde]

Remove or dial back the self-healing penalty for healers. That's literally the only way I'll hop on one of them and step foot in a Reaper quest.

[FranOhmsford]

Oh Fran,
You obviously just don't how it is
When you cleric reaper, you get to lead the groups
It's a different mentality being lead on support
Ppl will feel safe knowing they have a good healer
And Zerg on

And it's not healbot
It's a very dedicated role
That requires a different skillset from dps
someppl enjoy it, some don't
But I think it's for more like static and guild
Then you can better specialize knowing you're playing roles
Pugs are a bit random
With the meta at ranged,
The true potential of melee healer combination istnt there
Ie not enough melees running
And even less clerics
It's mostly warlock leaders dragging others along
And Rez after the fight

And as for ravenloft
Never played it
Don't like vampire themes
But I do know it's a set up
For something grand
And I bet clerics will be loved agin even more
I'll do all I can to ensure it

And as for clerics soloing
That's wrong thinking
You're a team player
Not a stand alone
You work best in a group
So that's where you play
Ddo is a social game
It's good to have buddies

No, I know exactly how it is!

Because you've just described a class that can only run in a group!

NO Class should Require a Group!

UNLESS EVERY CLASS REQUIRES A GROUP!

[PermaBanned]

No, I know exactly how it is!

Because you've just described a class that can only run in a group!

NO Class should Require a Group!

UNLESS EVERY CLASS REQUIRES A GROUP!

Classes don't require groups, players do

[SuperNiCd]

What would it take to get you run a healing cleric in reaper?

I'm doing that now, or at least the majority of my levels are in cleric. So I guess the short answer is nothing.

The somewhat longer answer is that I think the self-healing nerf should be removed or greatly reduced for a character that has a simple majority of their levels in cleric (perhaps FvS, Druid as well, but definitely cleric). I mean, healing is kinda their thing. I think this would be enough incentive that you'd see an increase in people playing the class in Reaper.

Some might say that if that were the case that everyone would switch to a cleric-based build. I don't think it would be that extreme, and you'd probably just see a small uptick. But, heck, even if cleric did become the dominant Reaper build, wouldn't it be fun to see the forum filled with a bunch of "NERF CLERIC!" posts? LOL

It would be nice if the devs could somehow broaden the spectrum of builds that are viable in Reaper a bit.

[Cantor]

Classes don't require groups, players do

Used to be only well built fvs/cleric/undead/arcane-robots could do well without groups. The everybody can solo elite trend is kinda what was killing the game/still is.

[Cantor]

The somewhat longer answer is that I think the self-healing nerf should be removed or greatly reduced for a character that has a simple majority of their levels in cleric (perhaps FvS, Druid as well, but definitely cleric).

This is too simplistic an approach. It's easy to fit a majority class into any build, we're all practiced at it for getting past lives in classes we don't prefer. 8/6/6 is a strong split for all kinds of builds that take power mainly from the 6/6.

It has to have a serious AP tax to even be considered.

I've seen people suggest it as an 18 core or a T5 in radiant servant, that makes more sense. Or scale it with #of divine lore feats.

[goldgolem]

You can play a healbot cleric and solo heroic reapers easy enough (I made a post with a load of videos doing that when reaper came out). And then once you get BB its cake... + clerics get nice SLAs, so pump you light spell power a bit & add BB and you are good to go

And as a healer, i disagree you have to follow what others want - just stick up the lfm and people are more likely to join you than anyone else, because you have a healer already!

[Seere]

I already heal reapers with my cleric(s). In fact, it is the reason I returned to the game. The game degraded enough that everyone became so independent that nobody needed clerics around anymore.

Funny thread though, you guys are cute.