Whats the deal with Divine Might

[Smokewolf]

Divine Might (DM) is a Strenght based "Insightful" ability for a class thats by and large Charisma based. IMO his really screws up the class synergy... (Every time i see it I'm totally thinking *** ?!?)

Just curious as to what was the reasoning behind this? Is this a throw-back to Pen & Paper or was this a deliberate attempt at mitigating power-creep ?

Thoughts and comments are welcome.

Cheers

Resin

[Lonnbeimnech]

Divine Might (DM) is a Strenght based "Insightful" ability for a class thats by and large Charisma based. IMO his really screws up the class synergy... (Every time i see it I'm totally thinking *** ?!?)

Just curious as to what was the reasoning behind this? Is this a throw-back to Pen & Paper or was this a deliberate attempt at mitigating power-creep ?

Thoughts and comments are welcome.

Cheers

Resin

It was done intentionally.

The U18 version is this:
+8 Sacred bonus to damage for one minute

The U19 version is this:
Insight bonus to Strength equal to your Charisma modifier for 120 seconds

The U18 version was not based off of Charisma nor gave a bonus to Strength, which is more universally useful than damage. Charisma can now be used to increase tactics DCs, and the change helps in some other less common situations (such as having enough strength to pull certain levers, etc.)

There were other options, but this is the important comparison from our perspective. The changes were based on player feedback, which is not always consistent between different players.

I could add that at various points in the design the bonus from Divine Might didn't stack with other Paladin abilities. Feedback made it clear something needed to change (feedback from both Lamannia and other feedback), but any of details could be argued in any number of ways: The only certainty is that no particular version could please everyone. No change is guaranteed permanent in a living MMO, so this could be revisited, but we don't see it as definitely wrong if some item slots are freed up for Paladins who prefer to use Divine Might (or AP freed up for those who prefer the converse). We're pretty sure that item slot isn't going to go empty.

It is intentional that players without Divine Might or Know the Angles can itemize to make up some of that lost ground. If some itemization options appear to help players who don't have Divine Might, then players can assume that at some point there will also be itemization options that help players make up for not having Know the Angles.

Sev~

Let's say your Paladin can get 50 Charisma for a total bonus of +20 Insight bonus to Strength, and that bonus has enough up time that it is effectively on all the time. Let's also say that top gear provides a non-stacking +7 Insight bonus to Strength.

If you are asking me if it is worth it to take a second tier enhancement that gives me nearly 100% uptime of +13 Strength then yeah, that's still very very good, especially at second tier. It's better than many tier 5s.

Sev~

These enhancements by their very nature cause a double stacking effect that scales as stats rise. Itemization of this kind will help keep that advantage of these enhancements closer to their original bonus by mitigating some of that scaling. Other enhancements do not scale anywhere near as effectively as an enhancement that effectively adds a second stat into your damage equation.

Sev~

[Eryhn]

mh, not sure where the problem is since you are not really specific about what you mean exactly.

but

a) it is not at all uncommon for builds to need more than 2 strong stats.
b) the enhancement (available to pally, fvs and cleric) is aimed at or works best with divine melee for the most part
c) STR is not exactly an uncommon stat for a melee.

-the only class the synergies arent so great on is cleric really. cause the only thing cleric needs CHA for is turns and turn undead is other than in heroics and there only if speced for, pretty ****.

-FVS gets SP from CHA, Pally gets saves. so for those two, points spent in CHA have synergies when running a STR based melee build.

-its most efficient with 2handers, as those get higher benefit from STR mod.

-it works very nicely for multiclass builds. stuff like 6 fighter for kensei core6/tier5 + 6 divine levels with a forgotten realms race and silvanus maul for instance is nice

-CHA is also good for UMDing stuff btw so it's rarely a waste

-for some builds Know the Angles and INT may be the better choice, if you need skills, if you want that tactics bonus, if you are not twohanding KTA may be more beneficial

jsut some random points, dunno if anything went in the direction of what yóu were thinking about ...

[Powerhungry]

mh, not sure where the problem is since you are not really specific about what you mean exactly.

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I believe it's the fact that it's an insightful bonus.
When the ability was introduced, insightful bonuses were rare (epic only) and small (+2 max).
With the new power avalanche (can't really call it power creep anymore) an ability that gives you an insightful bonus to strength is almost useless since insightful bonuses are so common you trip over them while walking. They can be crafted at level 10 even...