Seal of the Black Abbot

[Spellburst]

Yes, this item has unintentionally fallen out of the treasure table. This is fixed internally, and should appear in an upcoming patch.

Thx!!! Great news.

[Spellburst]

In this particular case, there was heavy work done on most of the game's treasure tables to support the overarching Mythic/Reaper bonus system, and that work inadvertently left this item out of the updated treasure table. A similar bug (also caused by the M/R changes) with VON6's loot was fixed in U35 Patch 2.

By the way, I confirm that named items in Ascension Chamber now include sometimes Mythic Bonuses. We pulled one with Mythic Bonus this week.

[Niminae]

I think Tomes are "inadvertently" left out of the whole game, or/and dropping the wrong values at the wrong levels. Maybe could fix that too at the same time?

I've gotten 2 +4 upgrade tomes in the past 4 months or so. The second one fairly recently as in within the past 2 weeks. My supply of PEDs thanks those tomes for dropping! And in the second case I offered the tome up to anyone in the group who could read it immediately, and someone who was at the +3 Wisdom point took it and then mailed me the +4 Int upgrade tome he had on the ASAH and which had dropped for him fairly recently. So a win for two people with one drop, and 3 anecdotal data points for tomes still dropping.

I do think that when the devs received those well written bug reports (and I'd be curious as to what makes a bug report "well written" when at best all it can provide is evidence of absence) that they should have at the very least added these things to the known issues list. Transparent communications is its own reward.

[Niminae]

I also wish they would fix the random number generator on the dailies to not consider inventory/ time logged in during the roll. If I fully login and roll in during 1st 1-10 minutes logged in, I almost inevitably roll below 20. Same if character seems to be log in lagged or moves forward at all. Problem seems to go away around 15 minutes into the login.

I tested this one full month on a single server and rolled 30 days in a row (around 1 minute into login) and NEVER rolled above 30 out of 100. The random number generator is obviously bugged or considers things during the generation of a number that it should not be doing. It is statistically almost impossible for a random number generator to roll below 30 days in a row without other factors coming into play. Test it yourselves some time.

I believe this to be a myth. I log all of my daily dice rolls, just because I am a huge geek like that. After I first heard this "Old Wives Tale" regarding the rolls I've been amused to see my numbers come in along a statistically significant random 1-100 despite my always doing the roll as soon as I can after a log-in. Unlike retrojet I do get numbers above a 20 approximately 80% of the time.

[Wizza]

I've gotten 2 +4 upgrade tomes in the past 4 months or so. The second one fairly recently as in within the past 2 weeks. My supply of PEDs thanks those tomes for dropping! And in the second case I offered the tome up to anyone in the group who could read it immediately, and someone who was at the +3 Wisdom point took it and then mailed me the +4 Int upgrade tome he had on the ASAH and which had dropped for him fairly recently. So a win for two people with one drop, and 3 anecdotal data points for tomes still dropping.

I do think that when the devs received those well written bug reports (and I'd be curious as to what makes a bug report "well written" when at best all it can provide is evidence of absence) that they should have at the very least added these things to the known issues list. Transparent communications is its own reward.

Congrats. I also have 500 friends all playing DDO who hasn't seen a tome in years.

500-3, your turn.

[Niminae]

For what it's worth last weekend I got a +1 fate tome from CiTW EH. I pulled a +2->+3 charisma tome from Heroic Shroud about 3 hours ago. It was also my 20th run and the 20th run reward list for shroud IS a bunch of +2 and +3 tomes.

Also PED's are stupidly easy to farm because you can just plow through EN gianthold in about 2 hours for a +3 skill tome.

I've probably gotten ~8 stat tomes since Jan and I've shredded more skill tomes for PED's then I can shake a stick at. That doesn't include the bucketloads I've gotten from favor either. I've seen a couple LR+5 hearts drop as well.

Oddly enough, I haven't seen a jibbers blade since last year. Go figure.

Anyways.

I admit that my experience is entirely anecdotal and probably far above the current norm.

Yeah, that's how it goes with drops that are a very low percentage. Even if the chance is only 1/1000 when you have so many people running those quests all the time you're bound to have people be able to report their success on pulling the super-rare drops.

For me my Kryptonite has been the Jibbers blade. For years I hadn't even seen it drop, much less have it drop for me. And this is in a great many Two-Toed runs, typically either solo or with 3+ people in the group. Easily hundreds of runs across multiple lives. When reaper was released I took to running it in R2+ for the supposed increase in item drop rates, and still never saw it drop. And on some R4+ runs I'd re-roll 3 times... Now within the past 3 months I've seen it drop three times. Still for other people, but at least for me it is no longer a unicorn or Bigfoot, something that others have seen but not me.

[EllisDee37]

I also wish they would fix the random number generator on the dailies to not consider inventory/ time logged in during the roll. If I fully login and roll in during 1st 1-10 minutes logged in, I almost inevitably roll below 20. Same if character seems to be log in lagged or moves forward at all. Problem seems to go away around 15 minutes into the login.

I tested this one full month on a single server and rolled 30 days in a row (around 1 minute into login) and NEVER rolled above 30 out of 100. The random number generator is obviously bugged or considers things during the generation of a number that it should not be doing. It is statistically almost impossible for a random number generator to roll below 30 days in a row without other factors coming into play. Test it yourselves some time.

How bizarre.

In my entire history of playing DDO during the "daily dice" era, I roll every day I play, and I always roll immediately after logging in. I have never noticed any lack of high rolls.

[LightBear]

In this particular case, there was heavy work done on most of the game's treasure tables to support the overarching Mythic/Reaper bonus system, and that work inadvertently left this item out of the updated treasure table. A similar bug (also caused by the M/R changes) with VON6's loot was fixed in U35 Patch 2.

We're on the lookout for any other treasure tables that may have been affected, but DDO has several thousand treasure tables, and this kind of thing is difficult to locate without knowing the specific item to check for. We were able to locate and fix both this and the VON6 issues due to well-written player bug reports; if you suspect other items aren't dropping, the best thing you can do is submit a bug report.

So the QA team can't even do a size check on these tables, just for starters?
Most of them should be fairly static, right?
Not by hand ofc, but I'm sure some brilliant dev could help with writing a regression-check script for it.

[Rasputin]

Mysterious Baubles and shard of the spell storing ring don't drop...

Pulled a Bauble just a few weeks ago.

[Seikojin]

How bizarre.

In my entire history of playing DDO during the "daily dice" era, I roll every day I play, and I always roll immediately after logging in. I have never noticed any lack of high rolls.

I have just about the opposite. If I log in and click roll asap, I get 100 exp 99 times out of 100. However, I have found some reliable timings by spamming d100 rolls for a bit. I also have noticed if I clear out the who list by putting a period in the search box and hitting enter, my rolls are more broadly spread out instead of clustered (highs/lows), as well as making the LFG list populate properly and expose the dead LFM's, etc.

Then again, with the way these games work, it could be a symptom of many variables cropping up as a bugged out experience.

[EllisDee37]

Weird. Maybe you guys are Wi-flagged?

Logging in just now to check, I immediately rolled my silver dice:

(Standard): You rolled 99 on your Daily Dice and earned a Tomes & More prize!
(Standard): You obtain a 1000 Experience Points, and a +2 Upgrade Tome of Skill (Spot +1 to +2).

[Astarii]

its also funny that you mentioned this because one thing that helped prompted writing this Heroic Raid End Rewards Vale abbot etc was the lack of the seal & yes, you can get it on a turn in but... it was not ideal. I'm glad to know it will be fixed and re-added in the future

[cdbd3rd]

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I also wish they would fix the random number generator on the dailies to not consider inventory/ time logged in during the roll. If I fully login and roll in during 1st 1-10 minutes logged in, I almost inevitably roll below 20. Same if character seems to be log in lagged or moves forward at all. Problem seems to go away around 15 minutes into the login.

I tested this one full month on a single server and rolled 30 days in a row (around 1 minute into login) and NEVER rolled above 30 out of 100. The random number generator is obviously bugged or considers things during the generation of a number that it should not be doing. It is statistically almost impossible for a random number generator to roll below 30 days in a row without other factors coming into play. Test it yourselves some time.

Mmm. Naw.

I cycle through the servers every weekend for my freebie Gold rolls. I get a lot of low rolls, but also several good high rolls. The RNG may have issues, but time logged in isn't one of them. It's also not level-biased. One of my recent good rolls was a +4 Charisma tome on a <9 level char. And on a Warlock char, at that!

[Seikojin]

Weird. Maybe you guys are Wi-flagged?

Logging in just now to check, I immediately rolled my silver dice:

(Standard): You rolled 99 on your Daily Dice and earned a Tomes & More prize!
(Standard): You obtain a 1000 Experience Points, and a +2 Upgrade Tome of Skill (Spot +1 to +2).

Maybe you are flagged in some way?
Logged in as well:
(Standard): You obtain a 300 Experience Points, and 2 Potions of Heroism (Level 15).
(Standard): You rolled 52 on your Daily Dice and earned a Consumables prize!

Interesting note unless you reverse the order, I got the prize line first, then the roll line.

[Seikojin]

Mmm. Naw.

I cycle through the servers every weekend for my freebie Gold rolls. I get a lot of low rolls, but also several good high rolls. The RNG may have issues, but time logged in isn't one of them. It's also not level-biased. One of my recent good rolls was a +4 Charisma tome on a <9 level char. And on a Warlock char, at that!

If you look at the old posts in my sig, it really is just the client-server communications. That is why spamming d100 rolls will reveal the overall rollercoaster pattern.

[EllisDee37]

Maybe you are flagged in some way?
Logged in as well:
(Standard): You obtain a 300 Experience Points, and 2 Potions of Heroism (Level 15).
(Standard): You rolled 52 on your Daily Dice and earned a Consumables prize!

Interesting note unless you reverse the order, I got the prize line first, then the roll line.

So did I, but since I had to copy & paste them one at a time I switched them to proper order for posting.

Also, your 52 shows that you aren't suffering the bug, correct? Previous to this everyone complaining of the bug said they could never roll higher than 20 or 30?

[Niminae]

Congrats. I also have 500 friends all playing DDO who hasn't seen a tome in years.

500-3, your turn.

How many of that 500 have the Jibbers that I can't get to drop for me?

[Wizza]

How many of that 500 have the Jibbers that I can't get to drop for me?

Those 500 know that even if it dropped for one of them in the first run, the drop rate is abysmal, and won't come to the forum pretending everything is fine just because they were lucky or making stuff up

[Niminae]

Those 500 know that even if it dropped for one of them in the first run, the drop rate is abysmal, and won't come to the forum pretending everything is fine just because they were lucky or making stuff up

The drop rate is abysmal, you have no argument from me there. That's why when someone comes to the forums pretending it's zero and cites their 500 friends as evidence, the drops I did get and the drops I witnessed even if they didn't go to me show that to be an invalid position. Because unless one is just willfully ignoring evidence or calling people liars ("making stuff up"? Really?), one drop is still a drop.

Your bad luck and your many friend's bad luck does not magically make it a zero drop rate. Just abysmal.

[Wizza]

The drop rate is abysmal, you have no argument from me there. That's why when someone comes to the forums pretending it's zero and cites their 500 friends as evidence, the drops I did get and the drops I witnessed even if they didn't go to me show that to be an invalid position. Because unless one is just willfully ignoring evidence or calling people liars ("making stuff up"? Really?), one drop is still a drop.

Your bad luck and your many friend's bad luck does not magically make it a zero drop rate. Just abysmal.

Cool.

So can we fix Tomes' drop rates now? And the wrong values dropping in higher levels?