account share epic past life

[Annex]

Oh well. Time to earn some hatred for myself.

It would be a huge win for me. Gigantic.

I have two main characters, my avatar and her sister, each on a different account. I play them 99% of the time. I have 6 others, mostly to keep my Guild at six, but I rarely play them. I refuse to create any more characters because of the tremendous time investment to make a decent character in this game. My avatar cannot perform well in Reaper Difficulty so I do not play that at all. I have no desire to destroy my avatar or her sister so I replay Epic Quests over and over and over. It works for me.

Now, you are probably thinking, "Annex, you nitwit, if you only have one character on each of your accounts. Account wide anything gains you nothing!".

If I could earn Reaper Experience playing another character I would immediately create a brand new healer, equip her as best I may, and send her to join the Reaper 1 groups I see. Since all her Reaper Experience would go to my avatar, my avatar would constantly gain power while remaining a cat burglar, happily permanently borrowing stuff while she remains at Epic levels doing her thing.

Shared Past Life Feats would be even more awesome. At L20 my hypothetical cleric would retire and write her magically enchanted Memoirs of a Beautiful Healer in Distress. For game purposes she would be deleted, but her memories would live on as my avatar reads that book and gains the high points of the cleric's life in the form of a Past Life Feat. Oh my goodness that would be so awesome. Robots. Dwarfs. Half-orcs. Warlocks. All the things I despise channeled to my avatar while she remains at Epic Levels as a cat burglar. That would be so much fun!

It would completely change how I play. Someone in the Harbor needs some help? No problem! I will roll up a new L4 character and play with you! I will play with you all the way to L20 if you like! Need a healer for your Reaper group? No problem! Need a robot? I hate robots but, heck, no problem! All the things I hate? No problem! All the things I cannot spare time for under the current system because it pulls time away from my avatar and her sister? No problem! Make 'em, play 'em, write a book, retire 'em. My avatar would be so well read!

*sighs* It will never happen.

[Gremmlynn]

Why not make an alt, one character can't be all builds. Your build is what would make them different. No one has the time to develop more than 1 character as it's become, these things need to be made account wide.

I guess that would depend on one's definition of "develop".

Personally I play 23 on and off, all well developed for what they run.

[Blastyswa]

So you think you have a life.
What would you say your play time is per week on average?

I think the issue here isn't the truth of my statement, but the fact that you are defining "no lifer" as someone who spends a lot more time than you personally play.

I would define "no lifer" as someone who plays one day on the weekend (~6-10hrs) and an average of 12 hours during the week. Anything more than that and you're no-lifing it.

I've always been of the mind that "no lifer" is someone who doesn't have a life outside of DDO. For example, I work every day in the morning, and have a second job in the evenings most days. I still manage to fit in maybe 1-2 hours a day of DDO most days, for a total of close to your 12 hours during the week. I also play 8-10 hours on saturday, and a few hours on sunday, which should put me into no-lifing it zone. I'm also getting married in august, have a date night once a week, go shooting with my buddies, and am planning a long vacation in June. Personally I think I have a life, but I also have responsibilities, so if having a life is defined as "Spending at least 5 hours with friends every day" or something then I'm definitely not meeting that requirement, but even if I wasn't playing DDO I wouldn't be able to meet that requirement. I've always looked at no-lifer as meaning someone who wakes up, plays DDO until noon, yells at their mother to ask what's for lunch, and then goes back in the basement until they go to bed. This cycle repeats itself, uninterrupted by work, friends, family, and loved ones.

[Avantasian]

So it makes a big difference. Back then Shroud wasn't the only raid being run. Many players had alts for different things. GS was considered end game and leveling twink gear.

Hound was common for tank, bard for puppies, healers for group and puppies, dps.

VOD for healers, hagers, dps, WF tank, trapper.

VON 6 for healers, bard for fascinate, dps, hagers.

TOD for healers, light monk, fleshy and WF tank, dps, shadow kiter if they couldn't stand there.

Chronoscope for healers, DC casters, tank, dps.

I think you get the point.

No, I don't get your point. How does that relate to my post? I am talking about shroud and how account wide rewards made people take their alts into shroud. Every single person I knew had some character that they more or less only played in shroud, and most I knew rolled new characters for the sole purpose of using them to far account wide rewards in the shroud. Account wide rewards make people run alts more, that is just a fact. Trying to paint it as though people played alts at that time with no regards for rewards is simply wrong.
The alt focus of the shroud was a big reason people had characters of different roles to jump into when needed for other content.

[Vanhooger]

Not evereyone has 24h/24h to play ddo.

Yes to account wide xp.

I like to min max my toons and the new tr system & rxp basically killed them all, I only play my main with my limited time.

[Qhualor]

No, I don't get your point. How does that relate to my post? I am talking about shroud and how account wide rewards made people take their alts into shroud. Every single person I knew had some character that they more or less only played in shroud, and most I knew rolled new characters for the sole purpose of using them to far account wide rewards in the shroud. Account wide rewards make people run alts more, that is just a fact. Trying to paint it as though people played alts at that time with no regards for rewards is simply wrong.
The alt focus of the shroud was a big reason people had characters of different roles to jump into when needed for other content.

Some did roll up alts to farm Shroud, but so didn't some roll up a bard to maximize selling junk loot. It is a fact also that some did roll up alts for different situations. It was common filling a raid group and than instead of waiting a bit to try a get a specific role, someone would offer to switch characters. For me I had a

Human barb that often tanked Horoth in TOD and eventually was capable tanking Sulu in both VOD and TOD. Sometimes did also in Hound.

A WF fighter that often tanked Sulu

A S&B fighter that often tanked heroic DQ and Hound intimitanking.

A Tempest ranger that was often a support healer in groups.

I had options to choose from. Your point that players didn't roll up alts for different situations is just flat out wrong.

[Uska]

Not evereyone has 24h/24h to play ddo.

Yes to account wide xp.

I like to min max my toons and the new tr system & rxp basically killed them all, I only play my main with my limited time.

That is not a good reason

[Avantasian]

I had options to choose from. Your point that players didn't roll up alts for different situations is just flat out wrong.

I have never made that point. I have personally rolled up alts for different situations, but I never played alts as much as I did in the shroud and the racial PLs and reaper exp made me stop considering starting to play an alt again.

[EllisDee37]

I have never made that point. I have personally rolled up alts for different situations, but I never played alts as much as I did in the shroud and the racial PLs and reaper exp made me stop considering starting to play an alt again.

He's saying that account wide rewards aren't the only reason people played alts. His example of a different reason to play alts was to fulfill roles for guild raids.

[nokowi]

Why not make an alt, one character can't be all builds. Your build is what would make them different. No one has the time to develop more than 1 character as it's become, these things need to be made account wide.

We went from "there's nothing to do and not enough new content" to "there is no way anyone can play more than one toon" within the span of a few months.

The forums are pure comedy.

No designer is going to take these comments seriously, in light of what everyone was saying 3 months ago.

[Sam-u-r-eye]

We went from "there's nothing to do and not enough new content" to "there is no way anyone can play more than one toon" within the span of a few months.

The forums are pure comedy.

No designer is going to take these comments seriously, in light of what everyone was saying 3 months ago.

Are you playing again?

[nokowi]

Are you playing again?

Not until they fix assassin.

I currently qualify as having a life with the ability to decide if DDO provides enough enjoyment to be worth the time investment (currently no, because assassin is not very fun at the moment).

It would be odd if you disqualified people who play both more or less than you, but not totally unexpected given your comments.

When you have a good argument, you can use the argument and not judge other people.

I see you are needing to go towards the latter.

[slarden]

Are you playing again?

You would have to play Assassin in the current state to truly understand why a top-tier assassin player wouldn't have fun playing the game right now. His opinion shouldn't be discounted because of a poorly implemented change to monster agro.

[SpartanKiller13]

There is very little incentive to keep more than 2 toons and as a consequence many people limit themselves to ONE toon realistically.
This is a pretty big problem with the game and a major reason I see people give up when they see massive grinds.

People could TR a heroic toon to get past-lives while keeping ANOTHER toon at cap.
Isn't that lovely? People don't need to TR their main to keep up with the grind---they can participate in a social community that doesn't exclude people 3 levels different.

You can only be logged into one toon at a time ANYWAY, so its not like there is a problem lore-wise.

You literally contradict yourself a few paragraphs apart.

Somehow I manage to have multiple characters (although I definitely have a main where most of my time goes) at separate levels. If I want to do something that my main isn't level-appropriate for, I can hop onto one of them.

Reaper, RPL's, and everything else does not stop this. Is it less "efficient"? Maybe, but I'm playing DDO for fun, not for fastest xp - if so I'd be working overtime and buying Otto's. It's way more efficient in terms of xp/hour. Or at least constantly running Sovereigns.

why did you have to taint your pony story with strippers.

+1 sir this was an excellent comment and it made my afternoon.

[Enoach]

There is an aspect that I think some people are missing with the idea of Past Lives (any of them) being Account Wide.

This potentially removes a revenue stream. There are Past Lives that some people "pay" through, be it XP potions, XP Stones or other bypass options.

While there is the claim that people only play a single character because... They are not entirely correct as there are people like me that still have multiple characters and play multiple characters.

As a long time player I would benefit from such a system. But then all of my characters would most likely feel the same as they past lives from my six character would make me done with Epic Reincarnation, Heroic would make me a completionist nearly 3x etc.

I don't want this as in my mind that would be the single biggest "power leap" in the game. I just think this is a bad idea. But unless you see that these are not needed you probably won't agree.

[Blastyswa]

That is not a good reason

Counterarguments are nice, as are completing your sentences properly. otherwise it's just

[Blastyswa]

There is an aspect that I think some people are missing with the idea of Past Lives (any of them) being Account Wide.

This potentially removes a revenue stream. There are Past Lives that some people "pay" through, be it XP potions, XP Stones or other bypass options.

While there is the claim that people only play a single character because... They are not entirely correct as there are people like me that still have multiple characters and play multiple characters.

As a long time player I would benefit from such a system. But then all of my characters would most likely feel the same as they past lives from my six character would make me done with Epic Reincarnation, Heroic would make me a completionist nearly 3x etc.

I don't want this as in my mind that would be the single biggest "power leap" in the game. I just think this is a bad idea. But unless you see that these are not needed you probably won't agree.

I personally don't want anything but reaper xp to be changed to account wide, but if normal past lives were changed as well I imagine they wouldn't be retroactive, much like RTR. So if you have one character that's heroic completionist, another character thats an epic completionist, and a third character that has no past lives, they would all stay that same way, but then if you got 30x racial past lives after the change then they would all be triple racial completionists in addition to everything they individually were before.

[Chai]

You would have to play Assassin in the current state to truly understand why a top-tier assassin player wouldn't have fun playing the game right now. His opinion shouldn't be discounted because of a poorly implemented change to monster agro.

That doesnt have anything to do with asking for account wide XP systems however. If they fix the class a year from now, and the player comes off break to start playing again, and demands account wide XP at that time, thats a full year the player could have been playing to gain ETR XP or reaper XP (or whatever else is being asked for to be account wide). Ive taken breaks due to the state of the game too. I just dont ask or demand the system now accommodate catching me up later on when I come back if/when I deem the game interesting enough again (especially without having to pay for it, as that is how the game is monetized, buying past time consumption).

[Enoach]

I personally don't want anything but reaper xp to be changed to account wide, but if normal past lives were changed as well I imagine they wouldn't be retroactive, much like RTR. So if you have one character that's heroic completionist, another character thats an epic completionist, and a third character that has no past lives, they would all stay that same way, but then if you got 30x racial past lives after the change then they would all be triple racial completionists in addition to everything they individually were before.

Racial was a new system which is why it wasn't retro. The others they actually have a way to track, and not doing so would probably raise a huge stink from long time players.

I think they should consider Reaper Cosmetic XP unlocks for Account wide but not the Trees.

I don't want Past Lives or XP like Reaper (for trees) or Crafting XP to be shared. I would prefer those stay at the character level.

[Mglaxix]

I know many will say no.
But I still would like to share bonuses account wise.
So I can play my alt and have some bonuses, not that I have to farm all the same again.
Now come post this is a Baaad idea.

So let me get this straight..... Account wide xp Account wide Past lives Account wide hmmmmm...... I have 40 toons many first lifers with no bonuses of any sort except for my knowledge of the game of course all capable of running First time 120% reaper XP bonus on a single life and share it across my account.... that is the most comical idea I have ever heard. I wonder how quick I could cap my reaper xp in that system. Heck just keep rolling up new toons and keep adding in my reaper first bonus sounds like a great system to me.

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