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[Gramh_the_Bard]

Try accepting the fact that non-BTC loot is the "meeting player's halfway" on alts and let this conversation die.

[Chai]

two words: player retention

Same reason we needed reaper.

We have seen instances where people have "finished" the new progression system and then gone on extended break until the next update arrives. Do we believe full progression systems that were designed as character based on purpose changing to account based, is actually going to retain those players, or will the same happen, where theres a void of players between updates as usual once people finish the progression on one character and it carries over to all their characters?

[nokowi]

I don't know what to tell you, you are simply wrong. You have created an image of me and my motivations that is simply not even close to real, and you are viewing my posts through that lense.
Your constant personal attacks and derailments are tiersome.

I will repeat the simple point I've been trying to get across one more time:
Having some system requiring a specific character and some allowing shared best meets everyone's preferences. We just had a huge addition to the character specific side, and with that lots of threads and posts popped up saying that they are abandoning their alts. That lead me to the conclusion that we have are too far from the optimal point in terms of character specific vs shared.

/waves

I have created an image of your posts that is quite accurate.

I also told you how to make posts that would be unbiased, and asks for specifics that you simply chose to ignore, because they hurts your argument.

Why is shared RXP better than other choices that we know already work?

Arguing a general idea why mentioning only one specific (RXP), and refusing to look at other specifics is really a perfect model of bias.

You may not be biased, but your posts and responses (and lack thereof) certainly are.

[nokowi]

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Seriously this is like kids stuff.

Expect people to use tax-loops, and be obsessed with their stock portfolio---since that's what's rewarded.
There's a parallel in DDO....

We had this discussion in the Reaper forums but honestly you didn't understand it there to....

...you can't go against human nature.
1. people have keeping up with the "jone's syndrome", i.e., people are competitive
2. people will be rules lawyers when it suits them, and free-thinkers when they don't
3. people love hamster wheels, as long as they don't cause despair.

You forgot
4. Giving players what they ask for creates a terrible game. What they desire (easy rewards while complaining about things being too easy) often conflicts with good game design.

Shared RXP is an effort for easy rewards.

If it was about helping alts people advocating RXP would be interested in talking about all the changes that would help alts. They are not.

If it was about helping alts people advocating RXP would be willing to wait until we get a bunch fo new content (what has helped alts in the past). They will not.

Actions speak much louder than words. They want their easy rewards NOW!

[zehnvhex]

What I'd like even more is to just have my character and select what build I want to play that day. IE: I pick my character Zehnpai and then I select which build I want to play. Perhaps today I pick the 8/6/6 sorc/fighter/paladin build today. Maybe tomorrow I pick a 20 warlock. Oh hey, my friend wants to play, we can pick up from where we left off on my level 7 rogue build.

I imagine that would solve a lot of issues.

It won't happen of course. Too many grumbletooks who would go on and on about how you can't do that because the "LOLOLORE!"

[Chai]

What I'd like even more is to just have my character and select what build I want to play that day. IE: I pick my character Zehnpai and then I select which build I want to play. Perhaps today I pick the 8/6/6 sorc/fighter/paladin build today. Maybe tomorrow I pick a 20 warlock. Oh hey, my friend wants to play, we can pick up from where we left off on my level 7 rogue build.

I imagine that would solve a lot of issues.

It won't happen of course. Too many grumbletooks who would go on and on about how you can't do that because the "LOLOLORE!"

I tried to initiate a discussion a while back about scaling the character to the content, like modern MMOs do. It was shot down with the regular list of first ballot hall of fame player excuses. Example: When I log into GW2 on a max level character and see an LFM up, character level is not part of the decision making process. I can just join.

[Avantasian]

I have created an image of your posts that is quite accurate.

Trust me, it's not accurate. Every assumption you made about me in that post was false.

Arguing a general idea why mentioning only one specific (RXP), and refusing to look at other specifics is really a perfect model of bias.

No it's not. You see me as some staunch defender of account wide RXP, but if you read the thread you can see that I told you on the first page that disagreeing with account wide RXP does not affect my argument at all, I have also repeatedly said that I am more than willing to consider any and all methods for achieving the same effect and my references to RXP have been to refute arguments that any change must come with specific consequenses.

It's not bias to try to convince people about the general principle before going into specifics.

[nokowi]

Trust me, it's not accurate. Every assumption you made about me in that post was false.



No it's not. You see me as some staunch defender of account wide RXP, but if you read the thread you can see that I told you on the first page that disagreeing with account wide RXP does not affect my argument at all, I have also repeatedly said that I am more than willing to consider any and all methods for achieving the same effect and my references to RXP have been to refute arguments that any change must come with specific consequenses.

It's not bias to try to convince people about the general principle before going into specifics.

No, I see you as someone not willing or even interested in discussing what would actually help people with alts. You say your willing to consider things, but you never actually do it, even when it is requested. There is a good reason you have avoided specifics, and it has to do with the weakness of your own beliefs.

I'm out of this thread, because it can't go anywhere if your argument is that everyone must agree with your generalizations before you offer any specifics. Posting a precondition that can never happen reveals you have no desire for discussion. I am beginning to believe your demand for apology was just such another tactic to prevent having to offer specifics.

Avoiding discussion is an effective tactic for saving face from a weak position. It is not a good tactic for getting a change enacted. Best of luck with your desire for alts.

[Sproutecus]

Putting aside the value of making reaper or racial TR account wide for a second.

If you did do one or the other, you COULD compromise. For instance, you could do one account wide RTR for every 3 on any one character (or one for every race you have 3 completed). That means if you do 30 RTR's on your main, your alts (that existed the entire time) would have the equivalent of 1 RPL for each race. The alt still has to do a LOT of grinding, but there is incentive to play your alts as well.

Or even more restrictive, you could do 1 'free' RPL for a SINGLE character for each race completed on another. That would be less rewarding for people with lots of alts, but it is at least giving players a small reason to have/play alts.

Additionally, for players like myself who have only been playing a (relatively) short while, the mountain you have to climb to come sort of kid of close to be equivilent to long term players would not be quitre as ridiculous. As it is, I have zero reason to spend one dime on my alt right now. I have 9 EPL's,


Just a thought.

[Uska]

What I'd like even more is to just have my character and select what build I want to play that day. IE: I pick my character Zehnpai and then I select which build I want to play. Perhaps today I pick the 8/6/6 sorc/fighter/paladin build today. Maybe tomorrow I pick a 20 warlock. Oh hey, my friend wants to play, we can pick up from where we left off on my level 7 rogue build.

I imagine that would solve a lot of issues.

It won't happen of course. Too many grumbletooks who would go on and on about how you can't do that because the "LOLOLORE!"

That is the worst idea I have ever read or ever will read

[Uska]

I tried to initiate a discussion a while back about scaling the character to the content, like modern MMOs do. It was shot down with the regular list of first ballot hall of fame player excuses. Example: When I log into GW2 on a max level character and see an LFM up, character level is not part of the decision making process. I can just join.

So,were you at Gary con