Dragonborn DPS Paladin

[Amidamarujhqz]

Need help to create a Dragonborn Paladin with this info:
Class: Pure Paladin
Race: Dragonborn.
Strategy: High dps output.
Build: First life 32pts.
Fighting style: THF with Greatswords.
Healing: If possible to squeeze in some healing it is surely welcome.
Thanks in advance for the help.

[unbongwah]

I've been thinking about this already:

Lizard Knight
Paladin 20
Lawful Good Dragonborn


Stats
               28pt     32pt     34pt     36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     ----     ----     ----     --------
Strength        18       18       18       18       +2       4: STR
Dexterity        6        6        6        6       +2       8: STR
Constitution    14       14       15       16       +2      12: STR
Intelligence    14       14       14       14       +2      16: STR
Wisdom           8        8        8        8       +2      20: STR
Charisma        16       18       18       18       +2      24: STR
                                                            28: STR

Skills
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Concent   2  3     2     2     2     2     2     2     2     2     2  23
Heal      4     1  1  1  1  1  2     2     2     2     2     2     2  23
Intim     4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
UMD       2     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     11
Balance                           1     1     1     1     1     1      6
Diplo                       1                                          1
Tumble    1                                                            1
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         16  4  4  4  4  4  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5


Feats

 1        : Power Attack
 1 Dragon : Draconic Ancestry: Red
 1 Deity  : Follower of: Onatar
 3        : Two Handed Fighting
 6        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
 6 Deity  : Onatar's Forge
 9        : Improved Critical: Slashing
12        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
15        : Quicken Spell
18        : Empower Healing Spell
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Cleave OR Stunning Blow
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting OR Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Bulwark of Defense OR Stunning Blow
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea OR Plane of Earth


Enhancements (80 AP)

Knight of the Chalice (41 AP)
Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II, Improved Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil III, Champion of Good
Extra Turning III, Extra Smite II
Divine Might III, Exalted Cleave III, Melee Power Boost III
Divine Sacrifice I, Vigor of Life, Exalted Smite I
Censure Demons, Passion I, Empowered Smite
Censure Outsiders, Holy Retribution III, Avenging Cleave III, Sealed Life

Sacred Defender (22 AP)
Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense, Divine Righteousness, Redemption
Extra Lay On Hands III, Durable Defense III, Sacred Armor Mastery II
Bulwark Aura III
Resistance Aura III, Tenacious Defense III
Swift Defense

Dragonborn (17 AP)
Hardy, Strength
Hard Scales III
Harder Scales III, Extra Action Boost III
(none)
Memory of Flight

Leveling Guide
KoC0 Slayer of Evil; KoC1 Extra Smite I, II; SD0 Holy Bastion
SD1 Extra Lay On Hands I, II, III; KoC1 Extra Turning I
KoC1 Extra Turning II; KoC2 Exalted Cleave I, II, III
KoC2 Divine Might I; KoC0 Courage of Heaven; KoC3 Divine Sacrifice I
KoC3 Exalted Smite I; KoC2 Divine Might II
KoC0 Slayer of Evil II; KoC2 Melee Power Boost I, II, III
KoC4 Empowered Smite; KoC4 Passion I; KoC4 Censure Demons
KoC2 Divine Might III; SD1 Durable Defense I; SD0 Sacred Defense
SD1 Durable Defense II, III; SD1 Sacred Armor Mastery I, II
SD3 Tenacious Defense I, II, III; KoC1 Extra Turning III
KoC3 Vigor of Life; (Bank 2 AP)
KoC0 Improved Courage of Heaven; KoC5 Avenging Cleave I, II, III; KoC5 Sealed Life
KoC5 Holy Retribution I, II, III; KoC5 Censure Outsiders
SD0 Divine Righteousness; SD2 Bulwark Aura I, II, III
SD3 Resistance Aura I, II, III; SD4 Swift Defense
SD0 Redemption; Dra0 Hardy; Dra0 Strength
Dra1 Hard Scales I, II; Dra2 Extra Action Boost I
KoC0 Slayer of Evil III; Dra1 Hard Scales III; Dra2 Extra Action Boost II
Dra2 Extra Action Boost III; Dra2 Harder Scales I, II
KoC0 Champion of Good; Dra2 Harder Scales III; Dra4 Memory of Flight


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought
Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack
Lay Waste, Haste Boost III
Volcano's Edge
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Sentinel)

Skills aren't really that important, so if you want to dump INT for max STR, go ahead. As always, falchions are preferable to greatswords for better crit profile, unless you've got a SOS; switching to greataxes like Riftmaker is easy too. I'm intrigued by bolstering defenses thru DB + SD AC & PRR bonuses, I'm just not sure it's worth the APs. But whatever: easy enough to reset. Twists are a best-case scenario; take whatever's available & helpful while epic-leveling. Since it's a first-lifer, it's up to you whether you make a beeline for Dreadnought (US -> GMoF -> LD req's 1.8M XP so you can get there before lvl 23) or work on leveling your other EDs first to earn more Fate pts.

[ifumoveudie]

Hey Urbongwah, how would you apply this to a legend toon with 36 point build, and all ED's unlocked? I have already run a Dborn Fvs on my main toon, but am thinking on going pally this life, and seeing what DPS would be like there. I have a +7 supreme tome, can craft most of my gear, and already have a few axes to use, unless you think flachion would be a better option. Any help on this one would be appreciated.

[unbongwah]

Hey Urbongwah, how would you apply this to a legend toon with 36 point build, and all ED's unlocked?

It's not a tome-dependent build. Apart from skill pts, nothing really changes whether you have zero tomes or +7 Supreme. If you don't care about skills, you can start STR 20 CON 16 CHA 18 or STR 20 CON 12 CHA 20, depending on how dangerously you like to live.

[Loromir]

I know this thread asked for Pure....but what would you think about splashing 5 levels of Fighter...for some Kensai Goodness?

[unbongwah]

I know this thread asked for Pure....but what would you think about splashing 5 levels of Fighter...for some Kensai Goodness?

What did you have in mind?

[Miow]

I know this thread asked for Pure....but what would you think about splashing 5 levels of Fighter...for some Kensai Goodness?

Not to mention the extra feats

[Blastyswa]

I know this thread asked for Pure....but what would you think about splashing 5 levels of Fighter...for some Kensai Goodness?

If doing a splash, I'd probably go 14/6 Paladin/Fighter. Drop Holy Sword, keep Zeal, switch enhancements to 34 Kensei/24 Sacred Defender/22 Knight of the Chalice, allowing you to keep full smite chain from chalice including +5 MP on hit, core 4 Sacred Defender as well as +20% HP and +6 strength, and picking up 8 damage with falchions with that line of feats and Weapon Specialization as well as Improved Destruction, Haste Boost without having to spend points from dreadnought, Liquid Courage to make up the hamp difference a little, +40 MP from Opportunity Attack+One With the Blade, Deadly Strike and A Good Death, and +1 crit multiplier from core 3/+1 threat range from tier 5 to make up for holy sword. The feats from 6 fighter would be spend on Weapon Focus: Slashing, Weapon Specialization: Slashing, and two others of your choice.

Potentially, in a small build alteration, I would recommend dropping Empower Healing spell (You can get plenty powerful heals without it) and then pick up Stunning Blow, Cleave, and Great Cleave in heroics. Then, for epic feats you can do Overwhelming Critical, Bulwark of Defense or something else, and Epic Will/Epic Reflexes. I'd then drop the brace for impact twist to pick up dragonhide from draconic incarnation, and all of a sudden you never fail saves and have +7 AC between Bulwark and Dragonhide, which is a +1 gain over the original versions +6 from Dragonborn enhancements.

The basic breakdown of this change is:

Pros:
-More DPS (Same crit profile, +8 base damage, +40 MP)
-More (powerful) clicked abilities (Easier to fit in Stunning Blow/Cleaves, and you get Deadly Strike, a Good Death, and Opportunity Attack)
-More versatility (Haste Boost from Kensei means you can take +6 critical damage in Dreadnought, or something else if you wanted, I'd personally drop volcano's edgeand pick up 3 critical damage and 1 strength, also the +4 feats makes fitting stuff in easier)
-No fail saves (No fail on a 1 saves for Will, Reflex, and Fortitude)

Neutrals:
-You keep Zeal for DPS in both versions, as well as the smiting line and the Sacred Defender line, and you keep t3 Knight of the Chalice for ghost touch.
-Healing Amplification (This version drops Vigor of Life since it can't be fit in without dropping some Exalted Smite or Divine Might ranks if you're going 3 on both, but picks up +50 hamp from Kensei. Technically this is a pro, but since Kensei requires remembering to do the pots I counted it as Neutral, as well as since the dropping of Empower Healing means you'll be healing around the same around anyways)
-AC (Stays around the same)

Cons:
-Only one level 4 Paladin spell, and it's Zeal. (Zeal is definitely the best choice for DPS, but you won't be able to get Restoration, Cure Serious Wounds, or Death Ward. You can live without those by carrying pots/scrolls/clickies and using cocoon+CMW/CLW, but it's a little less simple).
-No higher tier Knight of the Chalice (You miss out on a little bit of light damage which is easily offset by the much higher offense gains from going with Kensei, which even including core 6 Knight of the Chalice and tier 5 smiting is +25 more melee power and more damage per hit, and you also won't stun outsiders, be immune to negative levels, or bypass good DR without using a beater or Blessed Blades. Personally none of those are big issues to me, but different strokes for different people)
-No Memory of Flight. (Wings is very nice, and I could see this being a dealbreaker if you're particularly attached to them. Realistically you can't fit them in on this build unless you drop a ton of offense or a ton of defense.)

From the breakdown I think that the fighter version would give superior performance in all categories, but also doesn't have wings, so if that's a dealbreaker then that's a dealbreaker. It also doesn't use Dragonborn for much more than just the high starting strength/charisma and the looks, although to be fair the original proposed build doesn't include breath either (Which I don't think would be good on this build, but also is a huge part of the flavor of dragonborn). The fighter splash version should give superior performance in most categories just based off the straight damage gain, but it's ultimately up to the individual player.

[sleeksilver]

I have been unable to create one of these. Have you heard of any bugs related to this?

I've been thinking about this already:

Lizard Knight
Paladin 20
Lawful Good Dragonborn


Stats
               28pt     32pt     34pt     36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     ----     ----     ----     --------
Strength        18       18       18       18       +2       4: STR
Dexterity        6        6        6        6       +2       8: STR
Constitution    14       14       15       16       +2      12: STR
Intelligence    14       14       14       14       +2      16: STR
Wisdom           8        8        8        8       +2      20: STR
Charisma        16       18       18       18       +2      24: STR
                                                            28: STR

Skills
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Concent   2  3     2     2     2     2     2     2     2     2     2  23
Heal      4     1  1  1  1  1  2     2     2     2     2     2     2  23
Intim     4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
UMD       2     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     11
Balance                           1     1     1     1     1     1      6
Diplo                       1                                          1
Tumble    1                                                            1
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         16  4  4  4  4  4  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5  5


Feats

 1        : Power Attack
 1 Dragon : Draconic Ancestry: Red
 1 Deity  : Follower of: Onatar
 3        : Two Handed Fighting
 6        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
 6 Deity  : Onatar's Forge
 9        : Improved Critical: Slashing
12        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
15        : Quicken Spell
18        : Empower Healing Spell
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Cleave OR Stunning Blow
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting OR Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Bulwark of Defense OR Stunning Blow
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea OR Plane of Earth


Enhancements (80 AP)

Knight of the Chalice (41 AP)
Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II, Improved Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil III, Champion of Good
Extra Turning III, Extra Smite II
Divine Might III, Exalted Cleave III, Melee Power Boost III
Divine Sacrifice I, Vigor of Life, Exalted Smite I
Censure Demons, Passion I, Empowered Smite
Censure Outsiders, Holy Retribution III, Avenging Cleave III, Sealed Life

Sacred Defender (22 AP)
Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense, Divine Righteousness, Redemption
Extra Lay On Hands III, Durable Defense III, Sacred Armor Mastery II
Bulwark Aura III
Resistance Aura III, Tenacious Defense III
Swift Defense

Dragonborn (17 AP)
Hardy, Strength
Hard Scales III
Harder Scales III, Extra Action Boost III
(none)
Memory of Flight

Leveling Guide
KoC0 Slayer of Evil; KoC1 Extra Smite I, II; SD0 Holy Bastion
SD1 Extra Lay On Hands I, II, III; KoC1 Extra Turning I
KoC1 Extra Turning II; KoC2 Exalted Cleave I, II, III
KoC2 Divine Might I; KoC0 Courage of Heaven; KoC3 Divine Sacrifice I
KoC3 Exalted Smite I; KoC2 Divine Might II
KoC0 Slayer of Evil II; KoC2 Melee Power Boost I, II, III
KoC4 Empowered Smite; KoC4 Passion I; KoC4 Censure Demons
KoC2 Divine Might III; SD1 Durable Defense I; SD0 Sacred Defense
SD1 Durable Defense II, III; SD1 Sacred Armor Mastery I, II
SD3 Tenacious Defense I, II, III; KoC1 Extra Turning III
KoC3 Vigor of Life; (Bank 2 AP)
KoC0 Improved Courage of Heaven; KoC5 Avenging Cleave I, II, III; KoC5 Sealed Life
KoC5 Holy Retribution I, II, III; KoC5 Censure Outsiders
SD0 Divine Righteousness; SD2 Bulwark Aura I, II, III
SD3 Resistance Aura I, II, III; SD4 Swift Defense
SD0 Redemption; Dra0 Hardy; Dra0 Strength
Dra1 Hard Scales I, II; Dra2 Extra Action Boost I
KoC0 Slayer of Evil III; Dra1 Hard Scales III; Dra2 Extra Action Boost II
Dra2 Extra Action Boost III; Dra2 Harder Scales I, II
KoC0 Champion of Good; Dra2 Harder Scales III; Dra4 Memory of Flight


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought
Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack
Lay Waste, Haste Boost III
Volcano's Edge
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Sentinel)

Skills aren't really that important, so if you want to dump INT for max STR, go ahead. As always, falchions are preferable to greatswords for better crit profile, unless you've got a SOS; switching to greataxes like Riftmaker is easy too. I'm intrigued by bolstering defenses thru DB + SD AC & PRR bonuses, I'm just not sure it's worth the APs. But whatever: easy enough to reset. Twists are a best-case scenario; take whatever's available & helpful while epic-leveling. Since it's a first-lifer, it's up to you whether you make a beeline for Dreadnought (US -> GMoF -> LD req's 1.8M XP so you can get there before lvl 23) or work on leveling your other EDs first to earn more Fate pts.

[Enoach]

I have been unable to create one of these. Have you heard of any bugs related to this?

I have not heard of an issue in creating a Dragonborn character.

So my first question is do you meet the requirements (Pulled from DDO WIKI)
Dragonborn is a premium race released in Update 35. Free to VIP accounts, it is available to non-VIP from the DDO Store for 1,295 .