Champs nerfed??

[Chi_Ryu]

Its very weird, this is just a theory from yesterday observations but it seems that monsters that are inside the quest /prespawned/ cant turn into champs, and those that are triggers by some mechanics to spawn while xxx happens can indeed be champs.
Guildie did full ghold heroic saga on r3 yesterday and reported 1 champion only.
I did level 10-12 content and noticed that sometimes i get and sometimes i dont, i went with the "spawn when xx triggers" as that seemed very possible.

Just a theory, could be entirely false and probably is

I agree, it certainly looks like "erupting" mobs that are created and triggered on an action (e.g. moving to a certain spot) are as normal, but no pre-placed mobs have a chance to be champions right now. The only mobs I've seen as champions on low level play are the bats and erupting-from-the-floor skeletons in The Catacombs, which both meet this pattern, as are undead spawning from broken sarcophagi.

(I much prefer play with Champions, so this is an inferior experience for me)

[Saekee]

House of Death Undone EE, only champs were new zombies. So that is the key right there.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

...one a side note; if you want some easy favor, now is the time.....

[Eth]

They should just roll with it. Call it champion free bonus week.

lol

[CaptainPurge]

How long do you think they'd let a bug like this go on? Just curious what kind of tweak for Reaper spawn implementation might have affected Champion spawnage.

[Memnir]

I've seen three, maybe four, Champions since the hotfix - running only NE or Reaper in level-appropriate quests all weekend. Fewer Reapers, too.

Not sure what got broke - but it well and truly broke.

[CaptainPurge]

I've seen three, maybe four, Champions since the hotfix - running only NE or Reaper in level-appropriate quests all weekend. Fewer Reapers, too.

Not sure what got broke - but it well and truly broke.

Yeah it's broke AF. No point in complaining about it. This thread has pretty much covered it all, so if the devs need help we should be good by now.

[Dragavon]

I have just completed Feast or famine and Cabal for one on heroic elite, did not see a single champion in either quest.

/sad panda

[Coyopa]

Read by QA!

Weird. To my knowledge, champion rates were not intentionally altered.

Definitely a bug, then. On Thursday night, I TR'd a L30 Barbarian into a L1 Barbarian (Dragonborn) and got it back to Level 7 yesterday. I've run all the quests through base level 4 quests on elite with a level-appropriate character and saw only a couple of handfuls of champions in total. Of course, no champions spawn in Korthos or the solo quests. But even ignoring those, I would have expected to see more than the 10 or so champions I did see. Most quests didn't have a single champion in them. That's 13 level 2 quests, 19 level 3 quests, and 15 level 4 quests that I ran. (I skipped Bookbinder Rescue, Repossession, and Come Out & Slay for level 4.) And there was only one quest where I encountered two champions at the same time. Also, of all the champions I saw, only three of them dropped remnants, and none were orange/red named (so, no chance for any chests).

It was actually really boring not having any champions in the quests. Enough so that I tried Reaper 1 on the first Catacombs quest. And I nearly got killed by a Carnage Reaper, after which I promptly exited the quest and restarted.

[Cantor]

Run catacombs, you will see a lot because they are mostly the getting up from the environment type. Bats/spiders/skeletons/earth ele, all things that are there and then get up seem to be champs as normal, but mobs that populate differently are not all or very low.

[Phoenicis]

Run catacombs, you will see a lot because they are mostly the getting up from the environment type. Bats/spiders/skeletons/earth ele, all things that are there and then get up seem to be champs as normal, but mobs that populate differently are not all or very low.

I ran Catacombs twice over the weekend with a couple low level duos. One a third life pair on R1, the other second lifers on Elite. In both cases Champs were rare enough they elicited comment when we saw them.

I don't think I saw any static mobs as champs, so it may be that only spawning mobs are finding the remnants...

[Cantor]

I ran Catacombs twice over the weekend with a couple low level duos. One a third life pair on R1, the other second lifers on Elite. In both cases Champs were rare enough they elicited comment when we saw them.

I don't think I saw any static mobs as champs, so it may be that only spawning mobs are finding the remnants...

We had rooms in the crypt with 4-5 champs in one spawn. Either R3 or 4.

This bug really shows that champ spawn rate is far more dangerous than reapers for mid-to-low skulls. The reapers you can deal with. The multihit spell spammer champ with 3 on-hit effects/dots...

[Mofus]

I have also noticed less champs in game and that when you get them, you don't see many remnats dropping any more. On another note, I was running Deleras first quest on R1, got a champ, Rem chest dropped, and got a named item from the chest. It was a Dwarven Thrower throwing axe. I had never seen any named items drop in a rem chest, has anyone else?

[ArgentMage]

Just because it hasn't been said - this is happening on Heroic Hard as well.
Ran Power Play, Schemes of the Enemy and Blown to Bits all on HH, and saw two champs over all three runs (one dropped a chest).

[Aussir]

Just because it hasn't been said - this is happening on Heroic Hard as well.
Ran Power Play, Schemes of the Enemy and Blown to Bits all on HH, and saw two champs over all three runs (one dropped a chest).

Hard difficulty isn't supposed to have anything but level 1 champs (check the patch notes) and I doubt it's supposed to have as many as elite/reaper.

What I want is for them to fix the champ spawn because running hard difficulty and being ganged by 3 or 4 LEVEL 3 red champions at the same time is something I expect in Reaper, not hard.

[HAL]

Only getting champs from spawned mobs seems like a great idea. Those who don't like champs can avoid them more easily and those who like them know how they can find them.

Champs not dropping remnants / chest however is bad

[Loromir]

I just TR'd and ran all level 1-3 quests on elite and saw maybe 2 champions. I figured that might be working as intended in the Korthos quests...but it persisted into lvls 2 and 3 quests.

[SiliconScout]

Seeing less Reapers for sure
A LOT less champs as well and not a single rem chest drop. Also the # of remnant drops seems to be lower but that could be a perception based on the lower number of champions that I am seeing.

Did get 2 fear reapers spawn together right at the end of a protect the NPC quest that I thought was a little dirty pool. Took all we had to keep up to the damage that was piling up on that poor SOB.

Some quests seem to have more champs/reapers but others see none at all which hasn't happened to be since they were launched on Elite and Reaper difficulties.

Not sure what is going on but things for sure seem to be working differently.

[Saekee]

2 drow house quests on EE, no champs since no spawns
Don't Drink the water EE no champs (died at dragon fight fyi lol).

[Qhualor]

I just TR'd and ran all level 1-3 quests on elite and saw maybe 2 champions. I figured that might be working as intended in the Korthos quests...but it persisted into lvls 2 and 3 quests.

Champions are supposed to show up in level 3 quests on elite or level 4 quests on hard. If they showed up in Korthos than that ain't WAI.