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    Default Need Advice: TWF Dwarven Pally / Warlock

    Looking at Pally / War multiclass with TWF (Dwarven Axes for glancing blows) as a TR possibility. Was wondering if anyone had prior experience with anything similar?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Dwarven Pally / Warlock
    15/5 Paladin/Warlock
    Lawful Good Dwarf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Paladin         6. Warlock        11. Paladin        16. Paladin
    2. Warlock         7. Paladin        12. Paladin        17. Paladin
    3. Warlock         8. Paladin        13. Paladin        18. Paladin
    4. Warlock         9. Paladin        14. Paladin        19. Paladin
    5. Warlock        10. Paladin        15. Paladin        20. Paladin
    
    Stats
                   36pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength         8       +6       4: CON
    Dexterity       15       +6       8: CON
    Constitution    20       +6      12: CON
    Intelligence     8       +6      16: CON
    Wisdom          10       +6      20: CON
    Charisma        14       +6      24: CON
                                     28: CON
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Two Weapon Fighting
     1 Deity  : Follower of: The Blood of Vol
     2 Warlock: Pact: Fey
     3        : Two Weapon Defense
     6        : Least Dragonmark: Warding
     9        : Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    11 Deity  : The Blood is The Life
    12        : Improved Critical: Slashing
    15        : Empower Healing Spell
    18        : Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Bulwark of Defense
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
    27 Epic   : Blinding Speed
    28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
    29 Destiny: Dire Charge
    30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
    30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane
    
    Spells
    
    Paladin
    1. Bless, Lionheart, Cure Light Wounds
    2. Angelskin, Resist Energy
    3. Cure Moderate Wounds, Magic Circle Against Evil
    4. Holy Sword, Zeal
    Warlock
    1. Jump, Expeditious Retreat, Obscuring Mist
    2. Dispel Magic, Blindness
    Enhancements (80 AP) Enlightened Spirit (34 AP)
    • Eldritch Aura, Aura of Courage
      1. Resilience of Body III, Resilience of Soul III, Brutal Spellcasting III, Rewards of Tribute III
      2. Power of Enlightenment III, Shield
      3. Eldritch Burst III, Power of Enlightenment III, Constitution
      4. Medium Armor Proficiency, Brilliance
      5. Shining Through, Displacement
    Sacred Defender (25 AP)
    • Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense, Divine Righteousness, Redemption
      1. Extra Lay On Hands III, Durable Defense III
      2. Resilient Defense III
      3. Inciting Defense III, Hardy Defense III, Constitution
      4. Swift Defense, Tenacious Defense III
    Dwarf (21 AP)
    • Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution
      1. Axe Training
      2. Dwarven Tactics III, Child of the Mountain III, Axe Training
      3. Axe Training
      4. Axe Training, Throw Your Weight Around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invalid_103 View Post
    TWF (Dwarven Axes for glancing blows)
    Dwarven axes and bastard swords do NOT get glancing blows when dual-wielded; only SWF or S&B.

    https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...Paladiin-Build
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Dwarven axes and bastard swords do NOT get glancing blows when dual-wielded; only SWF or S&B.

    https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...Paladiin-Build
    I supose thats why i very rarely see either weapon used in game.

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    Would Favored Soul's warpriest be better then Pally?

    I ask becasue the self healing from Ameliorating Strike looks nice for a sword and board tank.

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    3/13/2017: Updated for sword and board style of play... (Tank)

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    Dwarven Pally / Warlock
    15/5 Paladin/Warlock
    Lawful Good Dwarf
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Paladin         6. Warlock        11. Paladin        16. Paladin
    2. Warlock         7. Paladin        12. Paladin        17. Paladin
    3. Warlock         8. Paladin        13. Paladin        18. Paladin
    4. Warlock         9. Paladin        14. Paladin        19. Paladin
    5. Warlock        10. Paladin        15. Paladin        20. Paladin
    
    Stats
                   36pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength         8       +6       4: CON
    Dexterity       15       +6       8: CON
    Constitution    20       +6      12: CON
    Intelligence     8       +6      16: CON
    Wisdom          10       +6      20: CON
    Charisma        14       +6      24: CON
                                     28: CON
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Tower Shield Proficiency
     1 Deity  : Follower of: The Blood of Vol
     2 Warlock: Pact: Fey
     3        : Shield Mastery
     6        : Least Dragonmark: Warding
     9        : Empower Healing Spell
    11 Deity  : The Blood is The Life
    12        : Improved Critical: Slashing
    15        : Improved Shield Mastery
    18        : Shield Deflection
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Bulwark of Defense
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
    27 Epic   : Blinding Speed
    28 Destiny: Tactician
    29 Destiny: Dire Charge
    30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
    30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane
    
    Spells
    
    Paladin
    1. Bless, Lesser Restoration, Cure Light Wounds
    2. Angelskin, Resist Energy
    3. Cure Moderate Wounds, Magic Circle Against Evil
    4. Holy Sword, Zeal
    Warlock
    1. Jump, Expeditious Retreat, Obscuring Mist
    2. Sleet Storm, Blindness
    Enhancements (80 AP) Enlightened Spirit (34 AP)
    • Eldritch Aura, Aura of Courage
      1. Resilience of Body III, Resilience of Soul III, Brutal Spellcasting III, Rewards of Tribute III
      2. Power of Enlightenment III, Shield
      3. Eldritch Burst III, Power of Enlightenment III, Constitution
      4. Medium Armor Proficiency, Brilliance
      5. Shining Through, Displacement
    Sacred Defender (25 AP)
    • Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense, Divine Righteousness, Redemption
      1. Extra Lay On Hands III, Durable Defense III
      2. Resilient Defense III
      3. Inciting Defense III, Hardy Defense III, Constitution
      4. Swift Defense, Tenacious Defense III
    Dwarf (21 AP)
    • Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution
      1. Axe Training
      2. Dwarven Tactics III, Child of the Mountain III, Axe Training
      3. Axe Training
      4. Axe Training, Throw Your Weight Around
    Destiny (24 AP) Legendary Dreadnought
    1. Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost II, Constitution
    2. Damage Boost III, Constitution
    3. Constitution
    4. Constitution
    5. Devastating Critical, Constitution
    6. Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop
    Twists of Fate (31 fate points)
    1. Endless Lay On Hands (Tier 3 Sentinel)
    2. Renewal (Tier 3 Sentinel)
    3. Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)
    4. Primal Scream (Tier 1 Fury)
    5. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
    Last edited by Invalid_103; 03-14-2017 at 01:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invalid_103 View Post
    Would Favored Soul's warpriest be better then Pally?
    For DPS? No. KotC + Zeal + Holy Sword is way better DPS than anything provided by Warpriest.

    Don't bother with tower shield prof feat; that is granted by Master's Touch which is a warlock spell.

    At a glance, your build will have high survivability (decent self-heals, lots of temp & perm HPs, Displacement, Radiant Forcefield DM) and pretty poor DPS. In particular, S&B w/out any KotC or Vanguard enhancements is just bad.

    If your goal is simply to be the last toon standing at any given time, you should be fine. If you're expecting to contribute to groups in any other way, you'll be...less fine (IMO).
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    03/14/2017: Updated for melee / dps variant.

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    Dwarven Pally / Warlock
    15/5 Paladin/Warlock
    Lawful Good Dwarf
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Paladin         6. Warlock        11. Paladin        16. Paladin
    2. Warlock         7. Paladin        12. Paladin        17. Paladin
    3. Warlock         8. Paladin        13. Paladin        18. Paladin
    4. Warlock         9. Paladin        14. Paladin        19. Paladin
    5. Warlock        10. Paladin        15. Paladin        20. Paladin
    
    
    Stats
                   36pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength        15       +6       4: CON
    Dexterity        8       +6       8: CON
    Constitution    20       +6      12: CON
    Intelligence     8       +6      16: CON
    Wisdom          10       +6      20: CON
    Charisma        14       +6      24: CON
                                     28: CON
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Two Handed Fighting
     1 Deity  : Follower of: The Blood of Vol
     2 Warlock: Pact: Fey
     3        : Shield Mastery
     6        : Least Dragonmark: Warding
     9        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
    11 Deity  : The Blood is The Life
    12        : Improved Shield Mastery
    15        : Improved Critical: Slashing
    18        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Empower Healing Spell
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
    27 Epic   : Shield Deflection
    28 Destiny: Tactician
    29 Destiny: Dire Charge
    30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
    30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane
    
    Spells
    
    Paladin
    1. Divine Favor, Lesser Restoration, Cure Light Wounds
    2. Angelskin, Resist Energy
    3. Cure Moderate Wounds, Magic Circle Against Evil
    4. Holy Sword, Zeal
    Warlock
    1. Jump, Master's Touch, Obscuring Mist
    2. Sleet Storm, Blindness
    Enhancements (80 AP) Enlightened Spirit (35 AP)
    • Eldritch Aura
      1. Resilience of Body III, Spiritual Defense III, Resilience of Soul III
      2. Spiritual Bastion III, Power of Enlightenment III
      3. Eldritch Burst I, Spiritual Ward III, Power of Enlightenment III, Constitution
      4. Spiritual Retribution III, Constitution
      5. Spirit Blast I, Shining Through, Displacement
    Knight of the Chalice (24 AP)
    • Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II, Improved Courage of Heaven
      1. Extra Turning III, Extra Smite II
      2. Improved Turning III, Exalted Cleave III
      3. Improved Restoration III, Exalted Smite III
    Dwarf (21 AP)
    • Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution
      1. Axe Training
      2. Dwarven Tactics III, Child of the Mountain III, Axe Training
      3. Axe Training
      4. Axe Training, Throw Your Weight Around
    Destiny (24 AP) Legendary Dreadnought
    1. Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost II, Constitution
    2. Damage Boost III, Constitution
    3. Constitution
    4. Constitution
    5. Devastating Critical, Constitution
    6. Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop
    Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
    1. Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
    2. Endless Lay On Hands (Tier 3 Sentinel)
    3. Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)
    4. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
    5. Primal Scream (Tier 1 Fury)
    Last edited by Invalid_103; 03-14-2017 at 01:27 PM.

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    Just need to look at skills.... healing , concentration, balence, umd being most important.

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    3/15/2017: Updated melee / dps variant to include stat & skill changes. Spread the classes out a little bit more as Warlock T5 isn't available till character level 9 due to the AP's per level.
    While its not perfect, it's about as good as can be done until racial TR's become available in the next update. (I've heard tomorrow?)

    As always, constructive thoughts and comments are welcome.

    Cheers!

    Resin

    Code:
    Dwarven Pally / Warlock
    15/5 Paladin/Warlock
    Lawful Good Dwarf
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Paladin         6. Warlock        11. Paladin        16. Paladin
    2. Warlock         7. Paladin        12. Paladin        17. Paladin
    3. Paladin         8. Warlock        13. Paladin        18. Paladin
    4. Warlock         9. Warlock        14. Paladin        19. Paladin
    5. Paladin        10. Paladin        15. Paladin        20. Paladin
    
    
    Stats
                   36pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength        15       +6       4: CON
    Dexterity       10       +6       8: CON
    Constitution    20       +6      12: CON
    Intelligence    10       +6      16: CON
    Wisdom          10       +6      20: CON
    Charisma        12       +6      24: CON
                                     28: CON
    
    Skills
              P  W  P  W  P  W  P  W  W  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Concent   4     1     1     1        1  1  1     1  2  2  2  2  2  2  23
    Heal      4     1     1     2        2  2  2  2  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    UMD          2     2     2     3  3           ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  16
             ------------------------------------------------------------
              8  2  2  2  2  2  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  4  4  4  4  4  4
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Two Handed Fighting
     1 Deity  : Follower of: The Blood of Vol
     2 Warlock: Pact: Fey
     3        : Shield Mastery
     6        : Least Dragonmark: Warding
     9        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
    11 Deity  : The Blood is The Life
    12        : Improved Shield Mastery
    15        : Improved Critical: Slashing
    18        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Empower Healing Spell
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
    27 Epic   : Shield Deflection
    28 Destiny: Tactician
    29 Destiny: Dire Charge
    30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
    30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane
    
    Spells
    
    Paladin
    1. Divine Favor, Lesser Restoration, Cure Light Wounds
    2. Angelskin, Resist Energy
    3. Cure Moderate Wounds, Magic Circle Against Evil
    4. Holy Sword, <Any>
    Warlock
    1. Jump, Master's Touch, Obscuring Mist
    2. <Any>, Blindness
    Enhancements (80 AP) Enlightened Spirit (35 AP)
    • Eldritch Aura
      1. Resilience of Body III, Spiritual Defense III, Resilience of Soul III
      2. Spiritual Bastion III, Power of Enlightenment III
      3. Eldritch Burst I, Spiritual Ward III, Power of Enlightenment III, Constitution
      4. Spiritual Retribution III, Constitution
      5. Spirit Blast I, Shining Through, Displacement
    Knight of the Chalice (24 AP)
    • Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II, Improved Courage of Heaven
      1. Extra Turning III, Extra Smite II
      2. Improved Turning III, Exalted Cleave III
      3. Improved Restoration III, Exalted Smite III
    Dwarf (21 AP)
    • Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution
      1. Axe Training
      2. Dwarven Tactics III, Child of the Mountain III, Axe Training
      3. Axe Training
      4. Axe Training, Throw Your Weight Around
    Destiny (24 AP) Legendary Dreadnought
    1. Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost II, Constitution
    2. Damage Boost III, Constitution
    3. Constitution
    4. Constitution
    5. Devastating Critical, Constitution
    6. Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop
    Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
    1. Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
    2. Endless Lay On Hands (Tier 3 Sentinel)
    3. Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)
    4. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
    5. Primal Scream (Tier 1 Fury)
    Last edited by Invalid_103; 03-16-2017 at 02:33 PM.

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    Added Master's Touch to the spell list while removing the Tower Shield feat that's no longer necessary.

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    3/17/2017: Updated Melee / DPS variant... tweaked base stats, level spread, spells and enhancements some. (Removed burst damage due to spell failure chance)

    Note: Unyielding Sentinel maybe best for tanking situations.

    Code:
    Dwarven Pally / Warlock
    15/5 Paladin/Warlock
    Lawful Good Dwarf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Paladin         6. Paladin        11. Warlock        16. Paladin
    2. Paladin         7. Paladin        12. Warlock        17. Paladin
    3. Paladin         8. Paladin        13. Warlock        18. Paladin
    4. Paladin         9. Warlock        14. Paladin        19. Paladin
    5. Paladin        10. Warlock        15. Paladin        20. Paladin
    
    
    Stats
                   36pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength        14       +6       4: CON
    Dexterity       10       +6       8: CON
    Constitution    20       +6      12: CON
    Intelligence    12       +6      16: CON
    Wisdom          10       +6      20: CON
    Charisma        12       +6      24: CON
                                     28: CON
    
    Skills
              P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  W  W  W  W  W  P  P  P  P  P  P  P
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Concent   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1                 2  2  1  2  2  2  1  23
    Heal      4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1                 1  1  3  2  2  2  1  23
    UMD                         ½  ½  4  4  4  2  1  ½  1  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  20
    Balance   2  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½           1                     1   9
             ------------------------------------------------------------
             12  3  3  3  3  3  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  5  5  5  5  5  5
    
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Shield Mastery
     1 Deity  : Follower of: The Blood of Vol
     3        : Two Handed Fighting
     6        : Least Dragonmark: Warding
     6 Deity  : The Blood is The Life
     9        : Improved Shield Mastery
     9 Warlock: Pact: Fey
    12        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
    15        : Improved Critical: Slashing
    18        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Improved Shield Bash
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
    27 Epic   : Shield Deflection
    28 Destiny: Tactician
    29 Destiny: Dire Charge
    30 Epic   : Empower Healing Spell
    30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane
    
    
    Spells
    
    Paladin
    1. Divine Favor, Lesser Restoration, Cure Light Wounds
    2. Angelskin, Resist Energy
    3. Cure Moderate Wounds, Magic Circle Against Evil
    4. Holy Sword, Zeal
    Warlock
    1. Expeditious Retreat, Nightshield, Obscuring Mist
    2. Blur, Blindness
    Enhancements (82 of 80 AP) - Errors Enlightened Spirit (34 AP)
    • Eldritch Aura
      1. Resilience of Body III, Spiritual Defense III, Resilience of Soul III
      2. Spiritual Bastion III, Power of Enlightenment III
      3. Spiritual Ward III, Power of Enlightenment III, Constitution
      4. Spiritual Retribution III, Brilliance, Constitution
      5. Shining Through, Displacement
    Knight of the Chalice (27 AP)
    • Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II, Improved Courage of Heaven
      1. Extra Turning III, Extra Smite II
      2. Improved Turning III, Exalted Cleave III
      3. Improved Restoration III, Divine Sacrifice III, Exalted Smite III
    Dwarf (21 AP)
    • Dwarven Toughness, Dwarven Constitution
      1. Axe Training
      2. Dwarven Tactics III, Child of the Mountain III, Axe Training
      3. Axe Training
      4. Axe Training, Throw Your Weight Around
    Destiny (24 AP) Legendary Dreadnought
    1. Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost II, Constitution
    2. Damage Boost III, Constitution
    3. Constitution
    4. Constitution
    5. Devastating Critical, Constitution
    6. Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop
    Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
    1. Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
    2. Endless Lay On Hands (Tier 3 Sentinel)
    3. Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)
    4. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
    5. Primal Scream (Tier 1 Fury)
    Last edited by Invalid_103; 03-17-2017 at 04:22 PM.

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