Initial thoughts - Dragonborn

[Steve_Howe]

This ^.

Give us some bright vibrant versions of the colors you are limited to instead of the washed out dull versions we have now.

Nah, I'd rather not play a toon that looks like it could have been in the 80's Dungeons & Dragons cartoon.

Subdued versions of each color would be fine.

[Krelar]

Nah, I'd rather not play a toon that looks like it could have been in the 80's Dungeons & Dragons cartoon.

Subdued versions of each color would be fine.

Oh they definitely shouldn't all be bright/vibrant, but one row for people who would like it would be appropriate.

[Graskitch]

as for me, I thought Dragonborn would come out as thicker similar to Half-Orc. I just see a lizard, not a dragon-blooded. How disappointing. Here's Neverwinter dragonborn for comparison.

https://pwimages-a.akamaihd.net/arc/...1406218558.jpg
https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/nev...7c965295fc9847

yeah, I agree with Cantor that the Neverwinter dragonborn look TERRIBLE/AWFUL. they just look very puggish. However, I will say that the Neverwinter armors in general look better to me than a lot of the ones in ddo - the artwork and the avatars in Neverwinter overall tend to look very cartoonish though. but a lot of their armor sets do look nice.

The DDO dragonborn look pretty much how I would expect a dragonborn to look. People are saying that it looks like a lizardfolk, but I really do not think they do.

oh well, everyone has their own expectations in their mind for how a race should look like. I was hoping that there would be more diversity in the head shape of the dragonborn, but I am very pleased with how they came out.

[Tazweb]

Cordovan is true and you are right if you go to see the images on Google all have that kind of tone you see in the game ... maybe I point to make it customizable ,and various types of head shapes,for not make all dragonborn equal.

then there's another thing I'd like to pin ... body shape ... maybe the male version and a little squat ... a lot of the armor make the chest spike with long arms and legs,I tried the artwork on Google how should look into if corbo the dragonborn, and should be so dis:





I think that maybe the shape of the feet and even a little to review, on these images the heel is low, not raised as in the model of Lammania.

These shapes is kind of what I was expecting for dragonborn. Currently there is no breast on the female ones and think they should have breast, they are not warforged after all. I admit that I didn't look at the male after disappoint with the female toons.

[Targal]

Cordovan is true and you are right if you go to see the images on Google all have that kind of tone you see in the game ... maybe I point to make it customizable ,and various types of head shapes,for not make all dragonborn equal.

then there's another thing I'd like to pin ... body shape ... maybe the male version and a little squat ... a lot of the armor make the chest spike with long arms and legs,I tried the artwork on Google how should look into if corbo the dragonborn, and should be so dis:





I think that maybe the shape of the feet and even a little to review, on these images the heel is low, not raised as in the model of Lammania.

http://i.imgur.com/f3bYPsT.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/DZtKGa9.png

Here's comparison between half-orc and dragonborn. It's a bit little acceptable for me of their head(still not good), but not fully acceptable of their body shape. They don't even look intimidating like half-orc. It's just Lizardborn. even I don't agree that Dragonborn Images that can be found at Google Serach(Fenix showed us one of) are similar to DDO Dragonborn at all.


http://ddowiki.com/images/thumb/Arra...rraetrikos.jpg

Our Arraetrikos is more likely to be called as Dragonborn... though he's a Pit Fiend. at least He was my expectation model for Dragonborn.



to point again, I'm talking about their body shape. I guess their shoulders and arms are too smaller.

[Fenix93]

These shapes is kind of what I was expecting for dragonborn. Currently there is no breast on the female ones and think they should have breast, they are not warforged after all. I admit that I didn't look at the male after disappoint with the female toons.

Is on this I agree with you female characters may have the body to be reviewed a little bit, even if every way to me, should not have anyway the breasts because they are not nipplesare reptiles, same for the male model.

Here's comparison between half-orc and dragonborn. It's a bit little acceptable for me of their head(still not good), but not fully acceptable of their body shape. They don't even look intimidating like half-orc. It's just Lizardborn. even I don't agree that Dragonborn Images that can be found at Google Serach(Fenix showed us one of) are similar to DDO Dragonborn at all.


http://ddowiki.com/images/thumb/Arra...rraetrikos.jpg

Our Arraetrikos is more likely to be called as Dragonborn... though he's a Pit Fiend. at least He was my expectation model for Dragonborn.



to point again, I'm talking about their body shape. I guess their shoulders and arms are too smaller.

I do not agree in part with what you said, I believe the head is well what may be lacking and the ability to choose between different types of shapes of facial features to give more diversity among the Dragonborns characters,here im believe that it takes more than beards ridges options and different scales Texture of Body,for the Dragonborn...Body im agree on the muscles that should be a bit more powerful, but im not prefare a copy and paste of the half-orc model please.I do not want is out another copy and paste similar to the half-orc as it was for the PDK.

[snowhitefox]

These shapes is kind of what I was expecting for dragonborn. Currently there is no breast on the female ones and think they should have breast, they are not warforged after all. I admit that I didn't look at the male after disappoint with the female toons.

Dragonborn resemble humanoid dragons. They stand upright, and are covered in scales similar to a dragon, but they do not possess a dragon's tail. A typical dragonborn’s scales can be a wide variety of colors. Unlike the dragons' coloring schemes, a dragonborn's schemes rarely betray the dragonborn's abilities, including its breath weapon. Most dragonborn have very fine scales over most of their body, which take on almost a leather look, with much larger scales on their forearms, lower legs and feet, shoulders, and thighs.

[Targal]

Is on this I agree with you female characters may have the body to be reviewed a little bit, even if every way to me, should not have anyway the breasts because they are not nipplesare reptiles, same for the male model.



I do not agree in part with what you said, I believe the head is well what may be lacking and the ability to choose between different types of shapes of facial features to give more diversity among the Dragonborns characters,here im believe that it takes more than beards ridges options and different scales Texture of Body,for the Dragonborn...Body im agree on the muscles that should be a bit more powerful, but im not prefare a copy and paste of the half-orc model please.I do not want is out another copy and paste similar to the half-orc as it was for the PDK.

agree that just not as copy and paste like half-orc to PDK(though they have difference). but to compare those races - Half-orc, PDK and even Warforged, Dragonborn's shoulders and arms are too smaller to look and think their name Dragonborn. just about shoulders and arms, not about their full appearance.


http://i.imgur.com/RHwoYBx.jpg

Here's more comparison. dat shoulders plz.

[snowhitefox]

Cordovan is true and you are right if you go to see the images on Google all have that kind of tone you see in the game ... maybe I point to make it customizable ,and various types of head shapes,for not make all dragonborn equal.

then there's another thing I'd like to pin ... body shape ... maybe the male version and a little squat ... a lot of the armor make the chest spike with long arms and legs,I tried the artwork on Google how should look into if corbo the dragonborn, and should be so dis:





I think that maybe the shape of the feet and even a little to review, on these images the heel is low, not raised as in the model of Lammania.

Young dragonborn, who hatched from eggs like their draconic relatives, grew at an impressively rapid rate, much faster than most other races, reaching the equivalent maturity of a human child of 10 by age 3. However, this rate of maturation slowed dramatically within a few short years and they were not considered physically mature for another twelve years. Once they did reach adulthood, dragonborn could expect a lifespan identical to that of humans.[3] Not all dragonborn developed a breath weapon but those that did usually obtained it during these years of growth.[9]
Dragonborn nursed their hatchlings for several months before teeth began to come in. A dragonborn would then slowly introduce soft food and then move towards normal dragonborn eating habits, which contained more meat than was typical of most other races.[9] It says female dragonborn nurse their young until their teeth come in. Shouldn't they have breasts?

[Fenix93]

Young dragonborn, who hatched from eggs like their draconic relatives, grew at an impressively rapid rate, much faster than most other races, reaching the equivalent maturity of a human child of 10 by age 3. However, this rate of maturation slowed dramatically within a few short years and they were not considered physically mature for another twelve years. Once they did reach adulthood, dragonborn could expect a lifespan identical to that of humans.[3] Not all dragonborn developed a breath weapon but those that did usually obtained it during these years of growth.[9]
Dragonborn nursed their hatchlings for several months before teeth began to come in. A dragonborn would then slowly introduce soft food and then move towards normal dragonborn eating habits, which contained more meat than was typical of most other races.[9] It says female dragonborn nurse their young until their teeth come in. Shouldn't they have breasts?

chest for males and breasts for females there should be ok, but they should not have nipples in any way, Dragonborn is a reptiles and not a human pepols.

[Claver]

We have been discussing this, and may pursue some kind of cosmetic implementation in the future that offers additional colors. Currently, our color selection is similar to the lore on Dragonborn, and is licensor-approved.

Cosmetic dragon scale colors could be a respectable revenue stream. I would be very interested in chromatic options and would shell out big bucks for metallic options.

I could see myself update scale color throughout my leveling career to complement the color of whatever gear I was wearing at the time.

As trite as it may sound, being able to choose a more varied scale pallet via cosmetics would greatly increase my desire to play Dragonborn

[rsking]

lookiing at there creation tree for their ancestry personally to me I would only make a sorc or some elemental caster... that or a GOO or Demon lock as there isn't any Sonic or force ancestry on them, I also see them being used for str based rangers or any class that uses Str or cha as their main stat.

I build casters mainly so thats where I see me using this but I can also see pally's with this class as well as sorc and Fvs (don't know many other classes that use Cha as a main stat.)

[Fenix93]

lookiing at there creation tree for their ancestry personally to me I would only make a sorc or some elemental caster... that or a GOO or Demon lock as there isn't any Sonic or force ancestry on them, I also see them being used for str based rangers or any class that uses Str or cha as their main stat.

I build casters mainly so thats where I see me using this but I can also see pally's with this class as well as sorc and Fvs (don't know many other classes that use Cha as a main stat.)

Of this I have already spoken in another tread created by me, in my opinion lacks a 5th ancestry with green dragons, if we thought we have total 5 types of dragons in the game, Blacks, whites, reds, blues and greens.and just these last few greens that I wonder we are not in the list of ancestries of dragonborn ... yet there are too involved.

[Tscheuss]

We have been discussing this, and may pursue some kind of cosmetic implementation in the future that offers additional colors. Currently, our color selection is similar to the lore on Dragonborn, and is licensor-approved. For further reading, look at page 35 of the 4th edition players handbook:

A typical dragonborn’s scales can be scarlet, gold, rust, ocher, bronze, or brown. Rarely do an individual’s scales match the hue of a chromatic or metallic dragon, and scale color gives no indication of the type of breath weapon a dragonborn uses.

Rarely =/= never. Perhaps provide chromatic and metallic scale dyes (like hair dyes) as drops in chests, maybe with a % chance 1/10 that of hair dyes?

*P.S. Give us a proper unicode font in forums, already.

[Tscheuss]

chest for males and breasts for females there should be ok, but they should not have nipples in any way, Dragonborn is a reptiles and not a human pepols.

Muscular development in line with usage? Yes. Mammalian exocrine glands on a non-mammal? No.

[rsking]

Of this I have already spoken in another tread created by me, in my opinion lacks a 5th ancestry with green dragons, if we thought we have total 5 types of dragons in the game, Blacks, whites, reds, blues and greens.and just these last few greens that I wonder we are not in the list of ancestries of dragonborn ... yet there are too involved.

ya there isn't many types of dragons in DDO but there is sonic, force, and various dragon types on the DM hand books.

[Krelar]

Muscular development in line with usage? Yes. Mammalian exocrine glands on a non-mammal? No.

Maybe they're mammals! They could be related to the pangolin.

[Fenix93]

Muscular development in line with usage? Yes. Mammalian exocrine glands on a non-mammal? No.

but I also agree that the Dragonborn must not have nipples ... and that I would say to stop here because, this story of the nipples are too degenerating, we all agree that the DB should not have nipples point.

ya there are many types of dragons in DDO but there Sonic, strength, and various types of dragon on DM books by hand.

I'm with you on this, but more than books I refer to existing species in play and are 5 but influences that can have the dragonborn are 4. I know it can be difficult to find a solution to enter the 5th ancestry with green darghi, but there would still be in the lore? the Dragonborn of Ebberon?

[Tscheuss]

Maybe they're mammals! They could be related to the pangolin.

Or the Echidna?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

I think the Dragonborn look GREAT!

Much more realistic than in Neverwinter.