Just ran this on EE, and nothing was landing. The fire reavers especially are problematic, because they are immune to Web, and I couldn't land a Hold even after hitting them with some debuffs. My Enchant DC is 74, and Necro is 81.


Did a search and found an old Lamannia thread discussing this very topic wherein I saw this post:

Quote Originally Posted by Vargouille View Post
You might save time. Getting you the saves for all monsters (on all difficulties) is an insane amount of data to communicate and make sure we're as accurate as possible while knowing the numbers might still change.

Here's two.

Demon Assault - Epic Elite - Shavarath Dretch
Fortitude 89
Reflex 42
Will 27


Demon Assault - Epic Elite - Shavarath Fire Reaver
Fort 80
Reflex 36
Will 74

Those numbers are not necessarily on current Lamannia. And, of course, still subject to change, so communicating this now is probably a terrible idea since it will be quoted for years as "what saves are" when in fact we might never go to live with these numbers. There are so many reasons to not state these things as How Things Are. That it might change and mislead all players forever is not doing the community a service (besides making me a liar, which I dislike immensely but is in fact secondary to misleading players).

/probablyneverdoingthatagainthankyouverymuch
I don't know if things have changed since then, but that seemed about right--so, what is a Wizard supposed to do here? Prepping with Crushing Despair, I'm still not landing Hold, Web doesn't work, insta-kills don't work, running them through a Symbol of Death wasn't really working to help me land anything else. Neither was Cloudkill. Sure, a warlock has Black Tentacles, but what are wizards doing here? I can nuke them, but that drains mana too fast to sustain for the whole quest.

Personally, I think it's pretty ****** to put a super-high Fort and Will save on something that is immune to the Wizard's only real Reflex-based crowd control spell.