Reaper experience formula

[Doctorivil]

Hi, just did some tests on the reaper difficulty and its exp rewards and i came up with the following formula for de base experiece:

50 + 3*(2 + QL)*(Skl)

QL = base Quest Level (not the modified quest lvl).
Skl = number of skulls difficulty.

Side Notes:
Not sure if this was stated by the Devs or posted elsewhere already, but i didn't find it so i figured it may be interesting for you folks.

All the quests seem to be giving the same base exp base only on their level and number of skulls (so fast quests will result in more exp/min)

Keep in mind that this is the base experience and it's modified by bonus and penalties.

I gathered my data from quests level 5 to 8, ranging from 1 to 3 skulls. Since the data was pretty linear the formula should fit other levels but let me know if you are getting different results.

Edit:
According to some comments on this thread this formula may not be the same for Epic quests. I'll try to update on this as soon as i get to test it.

[Buddha5440]

50 + 3.(2 + QL).(Skl)

QL = base Quest Level (not the modified quest lvl).
Skl = number of skulls difficulty.

Not sure what this formula is supposed to mean. What are the "."'s supposed to represent? multiplication, addition, subtraction, division? Also, where does the 50 come from and what does it represent? Does it mean that it adds a base +50 to xp and then the rest of the formula?

Any data to back up what any of this means?

[Doctorivil]

Not sure what this formula is supposed to mean. What are the "."'s supposed to represent?

Multiplication, yes. The "." is of the symbols for it but i'll replace it with "x" for simplicity.

Also, where does the 50 come from and what does it represent? Does it mean that it adds a base +50 to xp and then the rest of the formula?

Yes, it seems that there is that +50 exp factor on the quests

[psykopeta]

Hi, just did some tests on the reaper difficulty and its exp rewards and i came up with the following formula for de base experiece:

50 + 3x(2 + QL)x(Skl)

QL = base Quest Level (not the modified quest lvl).
Skl = number of skulls difficulty.

Side Notes:
Not sure if this was stated by the Devs or posted elsewhere already, but i didn't find it so i figured it may be interesting for you folks.

All the quests seem to be giving the same base exp base only on their level and number of skulls (so fast quests will result in more exp/min)

Keep in mind that this is the base experience and it's modified by bonus and penalties.

I gathered my data from quests level 5 to 8, ranging from 1 to 3 skulls. Since the data was pretty linear the formula should fit other levels but let me know if you are getting different results.

Sorry but that's not even close, that would mean ppl in korthos would get 50ish xp (which i haven't tested) and also would mean getting 400-600 xp in heroic lvls at 3 skulls would be impossible

And it's the common xp in fact

Did u count the overlvl penalty? Remember it starts at base lvl +2 with a 20% penalty

[Doctorivil]

Sorry but that's not even close, that would mean ppl in korthos would get 50ish xp (which i haven't tested)

Korthos is sadly not available in reaper difficulty so we wont be able to test it.

and also would mean getting 400-600 xp in heroic lvls at 3 skulls would be impossible

Not true, and by this formula that's in fact possible, since the base reaper exp for a lv 8 quest in 3 skulls would be 140.

Did u count the overlvl penalty? Remember it starts at base lvl +2 with a 20% penalty

Yes and no. Meaning: yes i know that the 20% penalty starts at +2 lvl, but that does not affect the base reaper exp.
All the bonus and penalties are applied over the base exp.

Going back to the 400~ exp in heroics.
Remember that you get:
120% bonus for completing it in reaper for the 1st time;
30% for running in on reaper on your 1st time on that quest;
50% from elite streak
20% from 1st time daily completion
(50% from experience tome)
And all the other "goals" bonus: kills/traps/breakables/not-reenter/not dying.

All summed up you can get a big multiplier on the base exp

Nontheless i'd like you to share your numbers with me, so i can extend my database.

[cru121]

thanks

i've done some observations on Lamannia
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...2593-Reaper-XP
do numbers match your math?

[Doctorivil]

do numbers match your math?

Yes, they seem to match.
Also i just went to the Archon trials quest to test the numbers on the same quest and they're in line with yours.
Not sure what level you were at when you did the tests, but i tried it with a lv 15 character meaning there is a 20% penalty.

So, the math:
Base exp: 50 + 3x(2 + 13)x(1) = 95.
Final exp after bonus (the one displayed at the bottom of the experience report): 152
Since you got 161 on the same quest with the same number of skulls I'm guessing you too were at lv 15 while doing it, but with a bonus to exp that i'm missing on my character.

[Sam-u-r-eye]

Average First time Bonus
30%, First time Completion (Reaper-version)
120%, First time Completion of Difficulty (Reaper-version)
50%, Bravery Bonus (Elite-streak)
20%, Daily Bonus
-
50% from Greater Tome of Learning Experience tome*
10% VIP
5% Ship Buff
-
15% Onslaught
20% Neutralization
10% Perception
10% Vandal
-
total: +340%, or 4.40 times the base

Additional Bonuses from Perfect First time
50% from pot
50% buddy weekend
-
10% more (25%) Conquest
10% more (30%) Ingenious Debilitation
5% more, (15%) Vigilant Sight
5 % more, (15%) Ransack
10%, no death
-
total: +480%, or 5.80 times the base

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~~

Average Repeat Bonuses
20%, Daily Bonus
-
20% from Greater Tome of Learning Experience tome
10% VIP
5% Ship Buff
-
15% Onslaught
20% Neutralization
10% Perception
10% Vandal
-
total: +110%, or 2.10 times the base

Additional Bonuses from Perfect Repeat
50% from pot
50% buddy weekend
-
10% more (25%) Conquest
10% more (30%) Ingenious Debilitation
5% more, (15%) Vigilant Sight
5 % more, (15%) Ransack
10%, no death
-
total: +260%, or 3.60 times the base

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~~


*Heroics get an extra 25% on the tome over epics.

[Sam-u-r-eye]

Conclusions

Lets take a scenario where you have 2 quests in heroics, and both pay the same; however,
One takes twice as long as the other.
It would pay just as well to run the fast quest three times, as the two quests.

rXp is going to be very dependent on the speed of the quest at a particular difficulty.
The other factor is the amount of bonuses that are easily available at a particular difficulty.

Since Skulls are multiplicative they are a powerful xp factor.

E.x., of streaking...
If it takes you twice as long to run something on triple the skulls, then you're breaking even in terms of XP---if you run the easier one three times.
i.e.,
If you run Memoirs once for 9 skulls in the same time as Memoirs three times on 3 skulls, then you're breaking even.

[Doctorivil]

ftfy

In pretty much every quest (not DA) Quest level +2 = Quest level on elite; and AFAIK = Quest level on Reaper.

Yes, Quest level + 2 = Quest level on Elite (for all but Devil Assault I think). I used the "quest level +2" because the base quest level is the one that shows up in Adventure Compendium and Quest Journal.

Note however, you have to be under the level of the quest on reaper to get full reaper XP (by the formula, you have to be equal to the level of the quest on normal to get full reaper XP.

Yes, this is yet another reason why i think it's easier to use the quest level + 2 formula.
Since you have to be a Lv 10 character to run a Base Level 10 quest (Lv 12 with elite/reaper adjustment) to get the full reaper exp.

[Sam-u-r-eye]

50 + 3*(Skull)*(Quest Level on Elite)

ftfy

[Selvera]

In pretty much every quest (not DA) Quest level +2 = Quest level on elite; and AFAIK = Quest level on Reaper.

You might notice that 50 + 3 x Skull x (2 + Quest Level) is exactly the same as 50 + 3 x (2 + Quest Level) x Skull, as they are the same thing I don't see any advantage of one over the other; but I have a sneaking suspicion that the actual formula might be: 50 + 3 x Quest Level on Reaper x Skull. Note however, you have to be under the level of the quest on reaper to get full reaper XP (by the formula, you have to be equal to the level of the quest on normal to get full reaper XP.

[Sam-u-r-eye]

Lets say 3 skull is the optimal leveling experience.
What are the fastest quests with 10 mobs across all levels?


50 + 3*(10)*(Quest Level on Elite)

A 10 skull lvl34 quest should give 1070 rXP
versus
A 10 skull lvl5 quest giving 200 rXP

vs

A 3 skull lvl34 quest giving 356 rXP
versus
A 3 skull lvl5 quest giving 95 rXP

[Krelar]

Epic apparently has a different (worse) formula.

Ran Spies and OOB (level 21 on EN) on a level 21 character reaper 1. Got 89 base xp for both.
Ran wizard king (level 22 on EN) on a level 22 character reaper 1. Got 92 base xp.

Looks like epic may be +20 instead of +50.

[Doctorivil]

Is the "50 +" the first time bonus?

Is the first time bonus just a flat doubling of your xp? I still don't understand how I got double the reaper xp predicted by the formula.

this is probably a coincidence that your final score equals to base reaper xp * 2.

here's my interpretation
Base reaper XP: 77
Overlevel penalty: -50%

Now add a slew of bonuses listed above (first time reaper, elite bravery, ransack, conquest, daily, ship, tome, vip, etc) = ~300%

Thus you got your: 77 * 0.5 * (100+300/100)

This is pretty much it, the formula works for base exp.
With first time and other bonus you can get 2-3x more than that.

Also yeah you were getting a 50% exp penalty for running it over level.

This appears to be a common misconception. The base reaper level is the elite level, not the normal level. If you run at normal eBB level you earn full reaper XP

According to this post, you are incorrect.

Yes, according to Cordovan and the recently edited release notes for the reaper update you start getting a 20% penalty when you are 1 level above the quest level (in normal).

[Doctorivil]

Epic apparently has a different (worse) formula.

Ran Spies and OOB (level 21 on EN) on a level 21 character reaper 1. Got 89 base xp for both.
Ran wizard king (level 22 on EN) on a level 22 character reaper 1. Got 92 base xp.

Looks like epic may be +20 instead of +50.

Thanks for this data.
I didn't get to test reaper exp in epic yet.
But once i do i'll try to update the post with it.

[Krelar]

ok so apparently something weird is going in epic levels.

I just ran the first 3 eveninstar quests (all 21 on normal) and got base 119 xp for them, which matches the formula.

Maybe the other ones gave different xp amounts because they were originally old style epic quests and it doesn't recognize their level properly?

[Tscheuss]

Epic apparently has a different (worse) formula.

Ran Spies and OOB (level 21 on EN) on a level 21 character reaper 1. Got 89 base xp for both.
Ran wizard king (level 22 on EN) on a level 22 character reaper 1. Got 92 base xp.

Looks like epic may be +20 instead of +50.

I notice the base xp matches that for a quest 10 levels lower for each example here.

[Tscheuss]

For those who don't like math...

Lvl\Sk	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
1	59	68	77	86	95	104	113	122	131	140
2	62	74	86	98	110	122	134	146	158	170
3	65	80	95	110	125	140	155	170	185	200
4	68	86	104	122	140	158	176	194	212	230
5	71	92	113	134	155	176	197	218	239	260
6	74	98	122	146	170	194	218	242	266	290
7	77	104	131	158	185	212	239	266	293	320
8	80	110	140	170	200	230	260	290	320	350
9	83	116	149	182	215	248	281	314	347	380
10	86	122	158	194	230	266	302	338	374	410
11	89	128	167	206	245	284	323	362	401	440
12	92	134	176	218	260	302	344	386	428	470
13	95	140	185	230	275	320	365	410	455	500
14	98	146	194	242	290	338	386	434	482	530
15	101	152	203	254	305	356	407	458	509	560
16	104	158	212	266	320	374	428	482	536	590
17	107	164	221	278	335	392	449	506	563	620
18	110	170	230	290	350	410	470	530	590	650
19	113	176	239	302	365	428	491	554	617	680
20	116	182	248	314	380	446	512	578	644	710
21	119	188	257	326	395	464	533	602	671	740
22	122	194	266	338	410	482	554	626	698	770
23	125	200	275	350	425	500	575	650	725	800
24	128	206	284	362	440	518	596	674	752	830
25	131	212	293	374	455	536	617	698	779	860
26	134	218	302	386	470	554	638	722	806	890
27	137	224	311	398	485	572	659	746	833	920
28	140	230	320	410	500	590	680	770	860	950
29	143	236	329	422	515	608	701	794	887	980
30	146	242	338	434	530	626	722	818	914	1010
31	149	248	347	446	545	644	743	842	941	1040
32	152	254	356	458	560	662	764	866	968	1070

[Faltout]

I've been doing some tests with reaper xp.

First, I'm able to confirm the initial formula for the base reaper xp at levels 4-7: 50 + 3*(2 + QL)*(Skl)
lvl 4 r1: 68
lvl 5 r1: 71
lvl 6 r1: 74
lvl 7 r1: 77

Now, on to the interesting stuff.
- First of all, conquest, ransack, daily playthrough, persistence, flawless victory, streak bonus, bravery bonus, 1st time reaper bonus and other bonuses from the xp panel count towards reaper xp.
- Being at the same level as the base quest level provides no penalties. 1 level above means -20% penalty over all xp (not base xp). 2 levels above means -50% penalty over all xp (not base xp). Tested with level 6 character entering level 4, 5 and 6 quests (proof is in the poison, lair of summoning, purge the heretics)
- I'm positive that xp tomes count towards reaper xp, although can't test myself (don't have one). But when doing shan-to-kor part 1, another party member was getting 50% more base xp than me for no apparent reason.
- I haven't tested xp potions and other self-applied bonuses to xp because those get awarded after quest completion. For example, voice of the master gives a separate xp message in the log: "Your experience bonus effect gave you x xp" which means it's improbable that voice is giving any bonus to reaper xp.
I'll test xp potions as soon as I'm able to fix the other parameters and can calculate my rxp upon completion.