option to remove champs from heroic hard&elite

[lyrecono]

Why should the people who enjoy them have a harder time on Hard and Elite getting XP then you do, just because you find a graphic to be lore-breaking? Yes they enjoy the challenge, but it seems broken and selfish that you'd get to skate by without the extra layer of challenge just because you don't want to look at a crown.

No to the check-box, and no to removing them from Elite and Hard.
If a check-box has to be added, I like Thrudh's idea of it just hiding the crown. If the crown is more of the issue then the challenge - that should suffice, yes?

thanks for the straw-men argument, i wasn't asking for that.
it is selfish to ask for a more challenging game and force that setting on others.
Nobody joins normal or hard runs in heroics and new people (assuming standing stones will advertise the game again) need the guidance of experienced players, that usually run elite.
The fact that i don't have a problem with champions doesn't mean others don't

there is already a check box!

its called normal.

if you play on normal you don't have champions.

There is a setting for a harder mode, it's called reaper, if you bothered to read the op, you would have noticed that the difficulty isn't a problem for me, it's a problem for newer players that can't run with vets, now that reaper is around, there is no need for champs anymore.
The rest of us would like our content back as it was. Unbroken.
Plenty of people don't give 2 copper pieces about the (broken) epic content and stay in heroics, they don't have the years of epic past life grinding to compensate for an unwanted addition.

So you want option to disable crowns (graphic effect)?

no, i wan't the -->option<-- to turn of champions (as stated in the opening post)

[Irongutz2000]

For the triple completionists maybe, thats still besides the issue (see first post, it's not about the dificulty)
I wasn't asking about removing it, i was asking to make it optional

It already is optional its called normal.

[lyrecono]

It already is optional its called normal.

there is already an option for a challenge, it's called reaper

[Irongutz2000]

there is already an option for a challenge, it's called reaper

Even if they did add a check box , new players do not need to run elite anyways.....when i was new i played normal first...then hard ... then elite. Thats how u learn.

[Irongutz2000]

TBH i kinda like watching new players get slaughtered by champs. Everytime i say should have done normal :P

[Eryhn]

trying to come up with a poll option number 4 in accord with your kind poll style:


#build a wall against champions. champions will pay for it.
#ban completionists. #vip greencards not excluded.
#skilled players on 2nd lifers surviving elite is #fake news!


maybe try casual under level ...





p.s.: irony is an important part of life.

[changelingamuck]

#build a wall against champions. champions will pay for it.

Even if we impose a 20% mysterious remnants import tariff on the champions in order to finance the wall, they'll just end up passing the cost onto players by decreasing the remnants they drop by 20%. Your proposal to fund the wall is really just a smokescreen for the fact that the Stormreach public will end up having to finance the wall ourselves, indirectly.

Nice try, Eryhn.

[Impaqt]

For the triple completionists maybe, thats still besides the issue (see first post, it's not about the dificulty)
I wasn't asking about removing it, i was asking to make it optional

I dont even have a single completionist and my charactgers are modestly equipped at this point.


Sometimes I die from a champion... and thats OK... but for the most part, they have not raised the difficultly all that much.

[Memnir]

thanks for the straw-men argument, i wasn't asking for that.

Given your Poll options, you kinda were -so you are quite welcome.

[Cordovan]

If we did have a check box for Champions, it would also have to scale back XP, Favor, and named item power and drops to a difficulty that didn't include Champions, so...Normal.

[FranOhmsford]

If we did have a check box for Champions, it would also have to scale back XP, Favor, and named item power and drops to a difficulty that didn't include Champions, so...Normal.

I don't recall getting any extra xp, favour OR named items from Champions - All of those are exactly the same now as they were PRIOR to Champions existing!

I'll happily not have Remnants drop so I can switch Champions off!

[changelingamuck]

I don't recall getting any extra xp, favour OR named items from Champions - All of those are exactly the same now as they were PRIOR to Champions existing!

I'll happily not have Remnants drop so I can switch Champions off!

The introduction of champions was implicitly a fix to the game's difficulty being broken by accumulated power creep (reaper mode is implicitly the same thing). You're essentially asking them to undo a fix to the game that restored part of the intended difficulty of the difficulty settings. They're not going to describe it using those terms, but that's what it is. They're not going to go for an option that undoes that.

[FranOhmsford]

The introduction of champions was implicitly a fix to the game's difficulty being broken by accumulated power creep (reaper mode is implicitly the same thing). You're essentially asking them to undo a fix to the game that restored part of the intended difficulty of the difficulty settings. They're not going to describe it using those terms, but that's what it is. They're not going to go for an option that undoes that.

Rubbish!

Champions were a sop to Elitists Nothing more!

Just look at this thread and exactly who has come out against removing Champs from Elite - All players who consider Elite TOO EASY WITH THEM!
All Players who with TEN difficulties above Elite to run in should never be running Elite again anyway!

Now the Elite have got TEN difficulties above Elite to play in - Give the rest of us Hard and Elite BACK!

[Qhualor]

Rubbish!

Champions were a sop to Elitists Nothing more!

Now the Elite have got TEN difficulties above Elite to play in - Give the rest of us Hard and Elite BACK!

not all of us have 10 difficulties above elite to play. I choose NOT to run Reaper for reasons I've stated in other threads. so that leaves me with elite to give me something for challenge. if players didn't complain about Champions in the first 3 days of release we might not even have Reaper today. I want MY elite back. just like BEFORE Champions were introduced, if its too hard you have lower difficulties to choose from.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

there is already a check box!

its called normal.

if you play on normal you dont have champions.

Hob won the Internet today and probably tomorrow as well. (At least until 3am, ahem!)

The current difficulty spread is necessary. It cannot get easier on higher settings. Thats the wrong direction.

Speaking of wrong... this poll is very condescending.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Rubbish!

Champions were a sop to Elitists Nothing more!

Just look at this thread and exactly who has come out against removing Champs from Elite - All players who consider Elite TOO EASY WITH THEM!
All Players who with TEN difficulties above Elite to run in should never be running Elite again anyway!

Now the Elite have got TEN difficulties above Elite to play in - Give the rest of us Hard and Elite BACK!

No not at all. Those are alternate facts....

Adding Champions were the most effective measure the devs could have taken to add difficulty to the harder settings of the game.

We ARE a very casual guild and see the need for multiple difficulty settings. Why? Because we play the game MULTIPLAYER. We run full groups. We run with all sizes of parties and with all levels of green to seasoned players.

If a casual guild like Tyrs Paladium sees the importance of providing challenge than I deem it important to the survival of DDO itself. So no, this nas NOTHING to do with the "elitist crowd", because we certainly are not that. This has everything to do with RE-playability.

[Ague]

First of all, the options in your poll are beyond ridiculous and you will never get any serious feedback with loaded questions like that. I get you're probably cranky about the topic, but geez man...

Next of all, my second life and third life alts that I play sometimes have zero issue with champions. The champions do force you to be more critical in your choices if you're not an uber multi-TR toon or risk becoming a grease stain. And tactics are something that have been a mainstay in D&D for ages and DDO strayed away from it with the power creep. Champions are just a way of trying to add some of those tactics and strategy to your combat style rather than just run-swing-run-swing at everything.

[Ague]

Rubbish!

Champions were a sop to Elitists Nothing more!

Just look at this thread and exactly who has come out against removing Champs from Elite - All players who consider Elite TOO EASY WITH THEM!
All Players who with TEN difficulties above Elite to run in should never be running Elite again anyway!

Now the Elite have got TEN difficulties above Elite to play in - Give the rest of us Hard and Elite BACK!

Given that we do in fact have Reaper mode now does not justify removing champions, IMO... So basically what you're asking for is to have the ability to go into an elite quest with a party of players (maybe some hirelings) and have it be EASIER than it is? That makes zero sense with the way power creep has been going on over the past 2-3 years. The way that reads to me is that you want to be able to go into the quest and one shot just about everything in there. Because with power creep, that's what is eventually going to be taking place in Hard and Elite before long.

My 2cp.

[Amundir]

If we did have a check box for Champions, it would also have to scale back XP, Favor, and named item power and drops to a difficulty that didn't include Champions, so...Normal.

Love you man, in a straight sense. *glances around*

[bracelet]

If we did have a check box for Champions, it would also have to scale back XP, Favor, and named item power and drops to a difficulty that didn't include Champions, so...Normal.

Oh man. I think there is a bug then. I never got any of those things when champs were introduced. You guys owe me some XP.