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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    Wow, nice hyperbole. There is a huge difference between claiming that running a level 23 or lower quest on a level 30 is not challenging, and it being "a cakewalk".
    Yes..but did you run any level 23 or lower quest on a level 30 to claim that it won't be challenging?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanhooger View Post
    Just would like to know dev decision on the argument. I need to know if my DDO gaming experience ends here.
    I give a chance ffxiv and I if can I add some, is trying keep u in group from beggining, have a really good story, and is not ''next Asian game'', give a chance 13e per month' sanjo 32lvl ninja do their job well, and is amazing on gamepad= keep action when use so many button xD

    Ps. Its also end for me in DDO with this overlvl restriction, just becouse I know the next update can't be better, and how is happent this...so big fail in this update, is just lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by levy1964 View Post
    I give a chance ffxiv and I if can I add some, is trying keep u in group from beggining, have a really good story, and is not ''next Asian game'', give a chance 13e per month' sanjo 32lvl ninja do their job well, and is amazing on gamepad= keep action when use so many button xD

    Ps. Its also end for me in DDO with this overlvl restriction, just becouse I know the next update can't be better, and how is happent this...so big fail in this update, is just lol
    Playing tera atm myself got cap and endgame is really tough, at least for a newbie like me. Will try black desert too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-u-r-eye View Post
    As opposed to someone speaking from principle and not experience. I guess you and everyone else like that will learn the hard way---if you even interested in Reaper.

    Storm the Beaches is absolutely great. That quest is ACTUALLY scaled as high as 3bC (minus mob saves) and is more difficult than, say, Two-Toed Tobias. That's what you're not seeing here. Did you run any low level epics on Reaper? Many of them are tough. We had people wiping on skull 10 in Litany of the Dead at level 30---not that a balanced party couldn't crush the quest.

    Some of low level epics have no practical use for loot, and are amusing. Don't Drink the Water is amazing.
    I want real dragon fights---not 45s at the end of a quest (AT LEVEL) where everyone chops the poor guy into bits.
    I want to be eaten---and Skull 10 DDTW is a place to get eaten.
    I am speaking about ALL of Reaper being available to EVERYONE, not just 10 skull being available to level 30s. If you honestly believe that the only consequence of allowing people to run Reaper overlevel is level 30s running at 10 skulls, I don't know what to tell you.

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    The only lens that end gamers are viewing reaper is through 10 skull. They don't see the other nine skull levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    I continue to be mystified by the oxymoron of:

    "I want a challenge" and

    "I want to run quests 7 or more levels below my character"

    from the same person.
    I'm not sure what's hard to understand; there's no oxymoron.

    I want to, and already do, run content from across the level ranges of DDO. For example, several things I ran in the past few days on my level 30:
    - the entire Threnal chain (levels 8-10)
    - Epic ADQ/DQ (level 22)
    - And The Dead Shall Rise... (level 11)
    - Necro2 quests (levels 8-9)
    - Necro4 quests (levels 14-15)

    Is the fact that I like to run lots of different content, for lots of different reasons, the hard part? Favor, loot, Monster Manual entries, nostalgia, helping guild-mates get raid-flagged. I would like to add more challenge to the process while doing that.

    I want what I'm running anyway to be more challenging. The easier a quest is right now, the more it needs more added challenge available. The stuff we're being locked out of is precisely the stuff that we most need Reaper for. I don't expect to get XP, normal or Reaper, for it.

    I also don't expect Reaper Threnal to be as hard or harder than, say LE Shroud (though I won't object if it is). If it's harder than Elite right now, which it is, that will be a win. It doesn't have to be "endgame" to be more of a challenge than we have right now.

    Even if you still don't understand, that's no reason to tell people with other play-styles that they shouldn't be allowed to play at all.
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    So DEV's what is going to happen?

    Lockout?

    No lockout?

    +2 range?

    +6 range?

    Anything else?

    Can we please know what is the plan before it goes live, please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanhooger View Post
    So DEV's what is going to happen?

    Lockout?

    No lockout?

    +2 range?

    +6 range?

    Anything else?

    Can we please know what is the plan before it goes live, please?
    i think they should let people run at any level but not give reaper xp, reaper rewards or completion credit if anyone enters the quest at any point that is more than 2 levels above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    i think they should let people run at any level but not give reaper xp, reaper rewards or completion credit if anyone enters the quest at any point that is more than 2 levels above.
    Where do I sign to get that?

    I would add: disable reaper tree if overlevel, probably most important one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    I'm not sure what's hard to understand; there's no oxymoron.

    I want to, and already do, run content from across the level ranges of DDO. For example, several things I ran in the past few days on my level 30:
    - the entire Threnal chain (levels 8-10)
    - Epic ADQ/DQ (level 22)
    - And The Dead Shall Rise... (level 11)
    - Necro2 quests (levels 8-9)
    - Necro4 quests (levels 14-15)

    Is the fact that I like to run lots of different content, for lots of different reasons, the hard part? Favor, loot, Monster Manual entries, nostalgia, helping guild-mates get raid-flagged. I would like to add more challenge to the process while doing that.

    I want what I'm running anyway to be more challenging. The easier a quest is right now, the more it needs more added challenge available. The stuff we're being locked out of is precisely the stuff that we most need Reaper for. I don't expect to get XP, normal or Reaper, for it.

    I also don't expect Reaper Threnal to be as hard or harder than, say LE Shroud (though I won't object if it is). If it's harder than Elite right now, which it is, that will be a win. It doesn't have to be "endgame" to be more of a challenge than we have right now.

    Even if you still don't understand, that's no reason to tell people with other play-styles that they shouldn't be allowed to play at all.
    Ok, I'll explain more:

    Reaper is meant to be an additional challenge mode like Hard and Elite. It is also supposed to be the uber-difficult challenge mode so that the players complaining that they have no challenge can finally have a challenge. Being allowed to run a quest overlevel is directly opposed to challenge.

    I completely understand that some players want something to do with their level 30 character. They want an End Game. But Reaper isn't, and was not meant to be, End Game. By asking that SSG nerf Reaper Mode in order to satisfy the desire for some kind of End Game content, all of you doing so are undermining Reaper.

    The devs should not allow this. They should leave Reaper to be the Uber challenge that it was created to be. Whether or not SSG intends to create an End Game and whether or not they intend to announce this to the players should have zero bearing on Reaper mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    Ok, I'll explain more:

    Reaper is meant to be an additional challenge mode like Hard and Elite. It is also supposed to be the uber-difficult challenge mode so that the players complaining that they have no challenge can finally have a challenge. Being allowed to run a quest overlevel is directly opposed to challenge.

    I completely understand that some players want something to do with their level 30 character. They want an End Game. But Reaper isn't, and was not meant to be, End Game. By asking that SSG nerf Reaper Mode in order to satisfy the desire for some kind of End Game content, all of you doing so are undermining Reaper.

    The devs should not allow this. They should leave Reaper to be the Uber challenge that it was created to be. Whether or not SSG intends to create an End Game and whether or not they intend to announce this to the players should have zero bearing on Reaper mode.
    Why is undermining reaper?

    You will still be able to run a quest at level with no lockout if you so desire challenge of lower epics, but if the lockout stay you can't play quest at cap, can you please tell me what is the problem with that?

    Unless you hate so much endgamers, I don't understand why you are against it.
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    Becouse I can, I tell u what happend in future...

    The 5% vets who ask for resonable difficult...now we callem repear, leave that game...what u see on your lfm panel on ur own server after that (give it a time)....that was the biggest 5% of player in the history (hahahah).

    The 5% who not care xp per min...

    Abracadabra hokus-pokus benc...cursexD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanhooger View Post
    Unless you hate so much endgamers, I don't understand why you are against it.
    Endgamers this, endgamers that... Can you at least complain AFTER you finish these 70+ quests available to you on 10 skulls? Maybe all this whining wouldn't sound so ridiculous if reaper was at least released on live servers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanhooger View Post
    Why is undermining reaper?

    You will still be able to run a quest at level with no lockout if you so desire challenge of lower epics, but if the lockout stay you can't play quest at cap, can you please tell me what is the problem with that?

    Unless you hate so much endgamers, I don't understand why you are against it.
    I'm sorry that you don't understand. Me saying that something isn't End Game does not make me hate End Game anymore than me saying that a hammer isn't a screwdriver means I hate hammers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanhooger View Post
    What's your point? I just asked a question that no one has answered. Nobody cares if I stop playing, that's for sure but nothing to do with my OP. Your post seems pointless.
    Do you really not read your own posts?

    Just would like to know dev decision on the argument. I need to know if my DDO gaming experience ends here.
    If you had stopped after the first sentence, then you could say your OP has nothing to do with you no longer playing DDO. Since YOU added the second sentence, it is part of your OP, and therefore your OP DOES have something (not nothing) to do with whether or not you are leaving DDO.
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    When you stop caring about xp/min this game becomes really fun. Trust me.
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    Some people brag about how fast they finished the game. I cant think of a stupider thing to brag about. Or in this game, going from level 1 to level 30 in two days, or however long it takes. I can't even begin to imagine what drives a person to think that is fun. You are ignoring all of the content and options and going for sheer speed. It is like going to a museum and bragging about how fast you made it through. Or bragging about how fast you finished a good steak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    i am fine if they let people run it over the level but suppress the rewards entirely.
    Yes, decent solution.
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    We are no more d000m'd then we were a week ago. Note - This was posted in 10/2013
    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    When you stop caring about xp/min this game becomes really fun. Trust me.
    Quote Originally Posted by TedSandyman View Post
    Some people brag about how fast they finished the game. I cant think of a stupider thing to brag about. Or in this game, going from level 1 to level 30 in two days, or however long it takes. I can't even begin to imagine what drives a person to think that is fun. You are ignoring all of the content and options and going for sheer speed. It is like going to a museum and bragging about how fast you made it through. Or bragging about how fast you finished a good steak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    Reaper is meant to be an additional challenge mode like Hard and Elite. It is also supposed to be the uber-difficult challenge mode so that the players complaining that they have no challenge can finally have a challenge.
    Sounds great! Let me run it!

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    Being allowed to run a quest overlevel is directly opposed to challenge.
    Lost me. Yes, things are easier for a level 30 character than for a level 2 character. And a level 30 quest is harder than a level 2 quest. But Reaper is harder than Elite. Reaper is more difficult than Elite regardless of whether you are level 30 or level 2, and whether the quest is level 2 or level 30. The difficulty of Reaper being more challenging than Elite still holds, no matter what level you are, or what level the quest is. And the people and/or quests for which things are currently the easiest are the ones in most dire need of a more difficult option.

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    I completely understand that some players want something to do with their level 30 character. They want an End Game. But Reaper isn't, and was not meant to be, End Game.
    OK. Sure. So what?

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    By asking that SSG nerf Reaper Mode in order to satisfy the desire for some kind of End Game content, all of you doing so are undermining Reaper.
    False, false, and false.
    1) I have not asked for Reaper to be nerfed.
    2) I have never claimed every Reaper quest is automatically "End Game"; I never expected it; I never asked for it.
    3) How the heck is wanting to be able to run Reaper "undermining" it?

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    They should leave Reaper to be the Uber challenge that it was created to be.
    OK, sure. And let us run it, otherwise, what's the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    Whether or not SSG intends to create an End Game and whether or not they intend to announce this to the players should have zero bearing on Reaper mode.
    Like I said, sure, so what?

    Still have no clue why you don't want people to have more challenge available to them. If that was an explanation, it was a failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    Lost me. Yes, things are easier for a level 30 character than for a level 2 character. And a level 30 quest is harder than a level 2 quest. But Reaper is harder than Elite. Reaper is more difficult than Elite regardless of whether you are level 30 or level 2, and whether the quest is level 2 or level 30. The difficulty of Reaper being more challenging than Elite still holds, no matter what level you are, or what level the quest is. And the people and/or quests for which things are currently the easiest are the ones in most dire need of a more difficult option.
    Unfortunately you are never going to get a sensible response from the people peddling the 'running quests overlevel is not a challenge' line. That is because they either have no understanding of the idea of using a high baseline of difficulty for all reaper quests or they are just ignoring it.

    If the developers replaced all the mobs in Haverdasher with EE and LE raid bosses, these people would still be trying to tell you it's a low level quest and therefore it couldn't possibly provide any challenge. Because it's a level 2 quest, right, and no matter what changes you make to a level 2 quest there is no way in the world it could ever present a challenge to level 30 characters.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redgob View Post
    Endgamers this, endgamers that... Can you at least complain AFTER you finish these 70+ quests available to you on 10 skulls? Maybe all this whining wouldn't sound so ridiculous if reaper was at least released on live servers...
    Next time read beofre posting, thank you.

    And anyway, if it stay at +2 for a level 30 is about 28 quest or something like that. So next time check wiki before saying something silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    Do you really not read your own posts?



    If you had stopped after the first sentence, then you could say your OP has nothing to do with you no longer playing DDO. Since YOU added the second sentence, it is part of your OP, and therefore your OP DOES have something (not nothing) to do with whether or not you are leaving DDO.
    What's your point? I asked a question that he didn't answer.

    Didin't ask for a life lesson from someone in the forum pretending to be smart telling me no one care if I leave, I already know that.
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