Unarmed monk splash

[Nightmanis]

Ok so basically I'm trying to figure out if you can make an endgame viable unarmed build that uses hopefully no more than 6 monk, though I would prefer 4. My favorite build I ever had was a 15 rogue 3 fighter 2 monk unarmed stun build, and I wanted to see if I could make something in the same fashion.

Thinking 13 rogue/4 monk/3 fighter human, which I have a pdk currently that could become this build. I haven't played in over a year and just wanted to see if I could revive my love for this game with an old favorite.

Originally also this build was a battle toaster bladeforged for the clicky, but it always felt gimped compared to the original human due to the high ap use in the racial tree. When it was human I even just ran it as a thief acrobat for Kip up which worked fantastically well, though it obviously gave up dps.

Gear isn't much of a problem to get, I actually enjoyed the gear grind at endgame more than I enjoyed the tr grind.

[Irongutz2000]

Ok so basically I'm trying to figure out if you can make an endgame viable unarmed build that uses hopefully no more than 6 monk, though I would prefer 4. My favorite build I ever had was a 15 rogue 3 fighter 2 monk unarmed stun build, and I wanted to see if I could make something in the same fashion.

Thinking 13 rogue/4 monk/3 fighter human, which I have a pdk currently that could become this build. I haven't played in over a year and just wanted to see if I could revive my love for this game with an old favorite.

Originally also this build was a battle toaster bladeforged for the clicky, but it always felt gimped compared to the original human due to the high ap use in the racial tree. When it was human I even just ran it as a thief acrobat for Kip up which worked fantastically well, though it obviously gave up dps.

Gear isn't much of a problem to get, I actually enjoyed the gear grind at endgame more than I enjoyed the tr grind.

The thing about ddo is u can make w/e u want Is it gonna be a good build , well thats another question.
I see this working ok for lvling if u go dex to damage via ninja spy , u will get alot of sneak attack from rogue so not bad. The only issues if ur using wraps and not going teir 5 shintao ur losing alot of dps and the more monk u have the higher the base damage on handwraps as well. If u want an end game wrap build ...just go pure monk or a kensai splash and take the sneak attack lvl 30 feat which with all gear etc u can get 3-500 SA per swing.

[boredman]

Ok so basically I'm trying to figure out if you can make an endgame viable unarmed build that uses hopefully no more than 6 monk, though I would prefer 4. My favorite build I ever had was a 15 rogue 3 fighter 2 monk unarmed stun build, and I wanted to see if I could make something in the same fashion.

Thinking 13 rogue/4 monk/3 fighter human, which I have a pdk currently that could become this build. I haven't played in over a year and just wanted to see if I could revive my love for this game with an old favorite.

Originally also this build was a battle toaster bladeforged for the clicky, but it always felt gimped compared to the original human due to the high ap use in the racial tree. When it was human I even just ran it as a thief acrobat for Kip up which worked fantastically well, though it obviously gave up dps.

Gear isn't much of a problem to get, I actually enjoyed the gear grind at endgame more than I enjoyed the tr grind.

6 monk at least is good for the meele power you get from henshin cores and also shadow veil for defenses. Also some heal amp from shintao cores. 8 fighter (or 12) is good for Kensai tree dps, tactics and extra feats, the rest could be rogue for sa and traps.

So I would go with something like 12 Fighter/6Monk/2rogue, dex based, with good wisdom for monk attacks like stunning fist, unbalancing strikes, jade strikes. Being focused on good tactics with fighter tactical feats and decent dmg with kensei tree. having some int with know the angles from harper tree and maybe trap skills. 33 ap kensei, 11 ap henshin, 11 ap ninja, 14 ap shintao, 7 ap harper, 3 ap pdk.

If you want to go mainly rogue, then a 13rogue/6monk/1ftr would be fine, focusing on sneak dmg, with max wisdom for stunning fist, kukan do and unbalancing strikes, good dex for to hit and dmg, 38 ap shintao, 11 henshin, 11 ninja, 3 acrobat (run speed), 8 harper, rest into ninja or assasin for more sa or pdk for heal amp.

[unbongwah]

If you want to go mainly rogue, then a 13rogue/6monk/1ftr would be fine, focusing on sneak dmg, with max wisdom for stunning fist, kukan do and unbalancing strikes, good dex for to hit and dmg, 38 ap shintao, 11 henshin, 11 ninja, 3 acrobat (run speed), 8 harper, rest into ninja or assasin for more sa or pdk for heal amp.

I was thinking of a shuriken / unarmed hybrid using this level split.

Feats:
Monk (3): TWF, Precision, TTS
Heroic (8): PBS, Rapid Shot, Shuriken Expertise, Precise Shot, ITWF, IC:Blunt, GTWF, Master of Forms (or choose drow for free Shuriken Expertise)
Ftr (1): IPS
Epic (4): Overwhelming Crit, Imp Sneak Atk, GM of Forms, and (Epic DR / Blinding Speed / IC:Thrown)
ED (3): PTWF, Doubleshot, Dire Charge or Embodiment of Law
Legendary: Ethereal Plane

Idea is to use TTS for lots of hits to build Poison stacks on targets, fists to finish them (any wraps w/Poison dmg?) -> rinse, repeat. Drawback is Shintao / Ninja DCs are based on # of monk lvls, so on a heavily-MCed build like this without ftr tactics feats, it could be too challenging to get your DCs high enough. But even so, you're still talking about a build with a high atk rate and lots of SAs, so a lack of DPS shouldn't be a major concern.

[Nightmanis]

I was thinking of a shuriken / unarmed hybrid using this level split.

Feats:
Monk (3): TWF, Precision, TTS
Heroic (8): PBS, Rapid Shot, Shuriken Expertise, Precise Shot, ITWF, IC:Blunt, GTWF, Master of Forms (or choose drow for free Shuriken Expertise)
Ftr (1): IPS
Epic (4): Overwhelming Crit, Imp Sneak Atk, GM of Forms, and (Epic DR / Blinding Speed / IC:Thrown)
ED (3): PTWF, Doubleshot, Dire Charge or Embodiment of Law
Legendary: Ethereal Plane

Idea is to use TTS for lots of hits to build Poison stacks on targets, fists to finish them (any wraps w/Poison dmg?) -> rinse, repeat. Drawback is Shintao / Ninja DCs are based on # of monk lvls, so on a heavily-MCed build like this without ftr tactics feats, it could be too challenging to get your DCs high enough. But even so, you're still talking about a build with a high atk rate and lots of SAs, so a lack of DPS shouldn't be a major concern.

Ironically, this character did have provisions originally for shurikens just because I was so sick of not being able to do much damage on whatever raids I was running. I never felt like it was really that advantageous, but it was still a major step up from just randomly chucking a star.

Will the poison damage from rogue work now that handwraps are considered a weapon? Might be worth a quick test...

The idea of going 3 fighter originally was for the extra action boosts, tactics, and the 25prr from stalwart stance. The fighter level being only for extra feats is perfectly fine there too, play with it enough to get maybe the 3 extra boosts and be done.

I now just read that meditation of war is not compatible with stalwart so that's obviously no loss there. Max 2 fighter then needed if I really badly need the tactics, but the 13/6 rogue monk is still a clear winner in that realm.

[unbongwah]

Will the poison damage from rogue work now that handwraps are considered a weapon?

If you mean Venomed Blades: AFAIK it works with wraps now but have not tested to confirm.

I now just read that meditation of war is not compatible with stalwart so that's obviously no loss there.

U32.2 patch should've fixed that: "Meditation of War is no longer considered a Defensive stance." So you should be able to use MoW + SD defensive stance now. Although without Shintao cap to negate the damage vulnerability, not sure I would want MoW.

Enhancements would be tight but doable: e.g., 38 Shintao (T5s) / 11 Assassin (Venomed Blades + Assassins Trick) / 11 Ninja (Shadow Veil) / 11 Henshin (Quick Draw + 30 MP) / 3 Acrobat (Fast Movement) / 1 human (Dmg Boost) would leave 5 APs left over. Hmm, except that's not enough for KtA, so maybe 36 Shintao / 7 Harper?

[Nightmanis]

If you mean Venomed Blades: AFAIK it works with wraps now but have not tested to confirm.

U32.2 patch should've fixed that: "Meditation of War is no longer considered a Defensive stance." So you should be able to use MoW + SD defensive stance now. Although without Shintao cap to negate the damage vulnerability, not sure I would want MoW.

Enhancements would be tight but doable: e.g., 38 Shintao (T5s) / 11 Assassin (Venomed Blades + Assassins Trick) / 11 Ninja (Shadow Veil) / 11 Henshin (Quick Draw + 30 MP) / 3 Acrobat (Fast Movement) / 1 human (Dmg Boost) would leave 5 APs left over. Hmm, except that's not enough for KtA, so maybe 36 Shintao / 7 Harper?

I don't see any real loss in not having Phoenix or Kuk due to it's DC, so that might work well. I'd still think that MoW would be nice to have just due to it's added benefits of the other stances. If not, even that would be good to drop leaving me with only 34ap used in Shintao.

It really is a total speed build though, and that extra 10% offhand is super juicy...

[Finn42]

would love to get any unarmed Kensei builds anyone has to link with new updates
thanks.

[Saekee]

I think focusing on sneak damage is doable--buff wisdom, dex & Int, key to grab no mercy enhancements (costly, I know...) from ninja spy & thief acrobat, make your DC high (so KtA) for unbalancing strike/stunning fist/jade strike. At least 13 rogue for 2 special ability feats; 6 monk is nice for shadow veil/shurican 10K.

[unbongwah]

I think focusing on sneak damage is doable--buff wisdom, dex & Int, key to grab no mercy enhancements (costly, I know...) from ninja spy & thief acrobat, make your DC high (so KtA) for unbalancing strike/stunning fist/jade strike.

Practically speaking, it's unrealistic to go for both on an unarmed build. You're going to want to invest 32-38 APs into Shintao for T5s, which leaves no more than 48 APs left over; maxing both No Mercy lines costs 49 APs. You'd basically have to dump Henshin and Assassin from my proposed split, which feels like a net DPS loss, at least when it comes to boss fights. EDIT: I could see ditching Assassin for the first rank of Ninja No Mercy, but I wouldn't want to give up Henshin MP; plus my build needs the free Quickdraw too.

[Saekee]

Practically speaking, it's unrealistic to go for both on an unarmed build. You're going to want to invest 32-38 APs into Shintao for T5s, which leaves no more than 48 APs left over; maxing both No Mercy lines costs 49 APs. You'd basically have to dump Henshin and Assassin from my proposed split, which feels like a net DPS loss, at least when it comes to boss fights. EDIT: I could see ditching Assassin for the first rank of Ninja No Mercy, but I wouldn't want to give up Henshin MP; plus my build needs the free Quickdraw too.

yes it would give up a lot, maybe too much--I am not sure, though, if it is not doable. With Sense Weakness and balanced attacks, high stun/jade/etc. I can see putting mobs into a helpless state and then seeing them die quickly. Bosses--yup, always the weak spot in flavor approaches. I think I would take acrobat to tier 5 and use a staff on bosses, maybe? Add in improved defensive roll and have an insanely high dodge in ocean stance between monk and rogue.

Anyway I would not do this for myself, just in theory.

[unbongwah]

I think I would take acrobat to tier 5 and use a staff on bosses, maybe?

If this thread wasn't titled "unarmed monk splash," this discussion would've gone in a different direction already...

[Robbenklopper]

If this thread wasn't titled "unarmed monk splash," this discussion would've gone in a different direction already...

You mean perhaps going H-Elf 20-Wlock with Dilettante Monk splash?

[Nightmanis]

If this thread wasn't titled "unarmed monk splash," this discussion would've gone in a different direction already...

^^ <3
I'd definitely rather be unarmed.

For bosses there's the option of redoing twists, even an outright destiny change if truly needed. I used to run no mercy from acrobat because it also allowed me to have Kip up.

What this is looking like is I'm going to be a real back stabby shintao. I like it.

[Nightmanis]

would love to get any unarmed Kensei builds anyone has to link with new updates
thanks.

12 fighter 6 monk 2 idk gnome max wis build.

[Nightmanis]

Due to the changes its become apparent there's no real advantage to being human.

Ballocks.

Guess it's either some elf, a midget, or a punk rock devil worshiper.

Our I don't tr again and deal with it.

[unbongwah]

Due to the changes its become apparent there's no real advantage to being human.

You mean apart from the extra feat, free skill pts, cheap heal amp, and having twice as many Melee / Ranged Power boosts than other races? Yes, totally useless.

[Nightmanis]

You mean apart from the extra feat, free skill pts, cheap heal amp, and having twice as many Melee / Ranged Power boosts than other races? Yes, totally useless.

Point taken.

[Finn42]

12 fighter 6 monk 2 idk gnome max wis build.

um, got any builds in mind?
I am new to this whole hitting things instead of making them die with magic, so making a build on my own would probably not be the best of ideas...

thanks

[Nightmanis]

um, got any builds in mind?
I am new to this whole hitting things instead of making them die with magic, so making a build on my own would probably not be the best of ideas...

thanks

Depends on what race you want. I think there's the "armed monk" build here in the melee forum that's 12 monk/8 fighter, but that's a Khopesh wielder if I'm not mistaken. You could very easily just follow that build but instead of using the Kensei t5's you'd use the shintao ones instead for unarmed. User fighter for tactical feats.