Reaper HP Bonuses

[Blastyswa]

There's a picture of a pure fighter sitting on a little over 12k HP with capstone boosting. Before the boost I still had around 8k HP, and would have more if I had a complete LGS set on that character. I'm all for small power creep bonuses, but the reaper trees give +10 HP per enhancement spent (+12 for tank, but going to call it +10 so that the numbers are easier so this will actually be a lowball) as well as +130 from tank cores giving around 1700 extra base HP, which will double many non-tank builds HP when all reaper bonuses are accounted for. Now personally I can live with this if it does make it onto live, but it seems like it defeats the purpose of a difficulty where enemies go from taking two hits to kill you to one hit, when enhancements then move it back to two hits.

Edit: No idea why the picture isn't working on my screen, my tags are correct and whatever. I also have a direct link: http://imgur.com/d984BZN : So that's the picture if you can't see it on forum. Note the build in the picture is a maxed out con build mostly just showing the absolute silliness of the HP bonuses, but my warlock build with 2,500 HP on live in shiradi was sitting on around 5k in reaper. Also bear in mind that it was only thanks to a current lamma glitch that I have as many reaper bonuses as it'll let me take, and presumably getting this much HP would normally require a lot of grinding (So while players will eventually be running around with 1700 HP, it'll be a gradual process)

[Therrias]

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12k? So...two shot instead of one shot?

[Infiltraitor]

12k? So...two shot instead of one shot?

You will need about 400 PRR to go with that 12K if you want to survive a certain raid boss that likes to send people flying off a mountain.

[Atheok]

You will need about 400 PRR to go with that 12K if you want to survive a certain raid boss that likes to send people flying off a mountain.

8500 hit today on reaper 7 through 325 PRR...

[Infiltraitor]

8500 hit today on reaper 7 through 325 PRR...

Ew. 10 skulls would be in the 12,000 range.

In other words, not survivable even with reaper tree. It serves no purpose except blatant power creep for the 1 skull xp farm.

[Lonnbeimnech]

Ew. 10 skulls would be in the 12,000 range.

In other words, not survivable even with reaper tree. It serves no purpose except blatant power creep for the 1 skull xp farm.

Just wait until they add Reaper Reincarnation, and people farm out the next 36 past lives of reaper only bonuses.

You were a tank in a past life, gain 10% hp and 10% prr and 100 DR, stacks 3 times...

[Blastyswa]

You will need about 400 PRR to go with that 12K if you want to survive a certain raid boss that likes to send people flying off a mountain.

Was at 377, and not even CLOSE to optimized (I was in medium armor without a shield) the picture was just showing the silly amount of HP. I stepped into LShroud 10 skull solo and survived two hits before the third killed me, and stepped into LTempest's Spine 10 skull and ran to the first group of drow, surviving just fine for many hits until the inability to heal killed me. I think that a more optimized build (500+ PRR) could survive incredibly well anywhere but reaper 10 LShroud with a healer, even without the 12k HP (4k-5k with 500 PRR would be fine)

[Tlorrd]

12k? So...two shot instead of one shot?

2 shot can be healed ... one shot can be rezzed.

[Xaxx]

There's a picture of a pure fighter sitting on a little over 12k HP with capstone boosting. Before the boost I still had around 8k HP, and would have more if I had a complete LGS set on that character. I'm all for small power creep bonuses, but the reaper trees give +10 HP per enhancement spent (+12 for tank, but going to call it +10 so that the numbers are easier so this will actually be a lowball) as well as +130 from tank cores giving around 1700 extra base HP, which will double many non-tank builds HP when all reaper bonuses are accounted for. Now personally I can live with this if it does make it onto live, but it seems like it defeats the purpose of a difficulty where enemies go from taking two hits to kill you to one hit, when enhancements then move it back to two hits.

Edit: No idea why the picture isn't working on my screen, my tags are correct and whatever. I also have a direct link: http://imgur.com/d984BZN : So that's the picture if you can't see it on forum. Note the build in the picture is a maxed out con build mostly just showing the absolute silliness of the HP bonuses, but my warlock build with 2,500 HP on live in shiradi was sitting on around 5k in reaper. Also bear in mind that it was only thanks to a current lamma glitch that I have as many reaper bonuses as it'll let me take, and presumably getting this much HP would normally require a lot of grinding (So while players will eventually be running around with 1700 HP, it'll be a gradual process)

So completly conned out, with 20% hp bonus from stance, more than likley 20% hp bonus from ed, and how many shroud pieces and 377 pr.... and for all that work if he steps into shroud 10 skull he will be one shot by the first orthon.... congrats this is a 10 skull tank for most things that is gonna do how much damage since hes basically gone completly defensive and probably stunted his gear to the nth dagree. Yes this makes an awsome center for a group assuming he can intim.... but Id like to see all those hp kill anything. Id also like to know how much reaper xp is involved before we've caped out every single point before we begin yelling that things need nerfed. That being said cordo has already said numbers were being discussed for adjust ment.... dont plan on it going live with that amount of hp.

[Blastyswa]

So completly conned out, with 20% hp bonus from stance, more than likley 20% hp bonus from ed, and how many shroud pieces and 377 pr.... and for all that work if he steps into shroud 10 skull he will be one shot by the first orthon.... congrats this is a 10 skull tank for most things that is gonna do how much damage since hes basically gone completly defensive and probably stunted his gear to the nth dagree. Yes this makes an awsome center for a group assuming he can intim.... but Id like to see all those hp kill anything. Id also like to know how much reaper xp is involved before we've caped out every single point before we begin yelling that things need nerfed. That being said cordo has already said numbers were being discussed for adjust ment.... dont plan on it going live with that amount of hp.

3 shroud pieces, and I had done a quick TR just before from my warlock build so I was using medium celestial sage armor and dual-wielding LGS caster weps. 377 PRR was WAY below the maximum achievable nowadays, especially for an all out defense focused build; intimidate skill is around 140 with item swap-ins, and I think it's basically been confirmed that a melee who ISN'T completely defensive is going to be silly terrible in max content. I had TYWA on that build (Although in a live version I would pull out from constitution and go into strength most likely for higher to hit) and with current gearing options it would be easy to fit in (As an example gearing) 5-piece slavers set (Necklace-Named Helm-Ring-Ring-Named Trinket) Mysterious Cloak, 4 piece LGS (Bracers-Goggles-Gloves-Belt), Affirmation (+150 Positive Spellpower/+50 Hamp/+70 Hamp), Epic Shield of Tireless Aid, and LTS/LHoX Heavy Armor. The build could even swap to dreadnought for non-reaper 10 questing, blitzing for high DPS (Especially if it has a dual-focus in THF and can pull out an axe instead of S&B).

With that said, I made very certain not to call for any nerfs. I said "Now personally I can live with this if it does make it onto live, but it seems like it defeats the purpose of a difficulty where enemies go from taking two hits to kill you to one hit, when enhancements then move it back to two hits." and that is what I'm still saying. It seems silly to have an extra difficulty (10 difficulties) to add challenge to the game, and simultaneously release a system to nullify that difficulty increase.

[Tlorrd]

3 shroud pieces, and I had done a quick TR just before from my warlock build so I was using medium celestial sage armor and dual-wielding LGS caster weps. 377 PRR was WAY below the maximum achievable nowadays, especially for an all out defense focused build; intimidate skill is around 140 with item swap-ins, and I think it's basically been confirmed that a melee who ISN'T completely defensive is going to be silly terrible in max content. I had TYWA on that build (Although in a live version I would pull out from constitution and go into strength most likely for higher to hit) and with current gearing options it would be easy to fit in (As an example gearing) 5-piece slavers set (Necklace-Named Helm-Ring-Ring-Named Trinket) Mysterious Cloak, 4 piece LGS (Bracers-Goggles-Gloves-Belt), Affirmation (+150 Positive Spellpower/+50 Hamp/+70 Hamp), Epic Shield of Tireless Aid, and LTS/LHoX Heavy Armor. The build could even swap to dreadnought for non-reaper 10 questing, blitzing for high DPS (Especially if it has a dual-focus in THF and can pull out an axe instead of S&B).

With that said, I made very certain not to call for any nerfs. I said "Now personally I can live with this if it does make it onto live, but it seems like it defeats the purpose of a difficulty where enemies go from taking two hits to kill you to one hit, when enhancements then move it back to two hits." and that is what I'm still saying. It seems silly to have an extra difficulty (10 difficulties) to add challenge to the game, and simultaneously release a system to nullify that difficulty increase.

while what you say is true and i agree with the bottom of your statement ...

1. how do you fix it?

2. the number of quests you are talking about where this is needed is currently 3 i would think ... LTS, LHox, LShroud ... outside of that, you may not need super maxed tank with every ounce squeezed out of PRR, intim, etc ... you could suffice with 80% of those things high level reaper quests.

[Rys]

Let's give the players a new difficulty and the tools to overcome it.

[zehnvhex]

DDO only has one dial for difficulty and that's "how hard do the mobs hit?"

They've begun experimenting again with using abilities you actually have to manually dodge, but they're so skittish about doing it because the engine wasn't really built for that.

Until they take a page from WarCrafts bosses and turn DDO into DDR, one shot or not one-shot is really all they can really do.

Personally I wish they'd stop worrying so much about the mobs and work on making the dungeons themselves interesting. The last few updates they could just call this game Hallways and Humanoids.

[Mr_Helmet]

Until they take a page from WarCrafts bosses and turn DDO into DDR, one shot or not one-shot is really all they can really do.

Wrong.