Why did you put the overlevel penalty to Reaper? Way to kill all the excitement

[Wizza]

Characters cannot enter a quest on Reaper Difficulty if they are more than two levels of the base challenge rating of the dungeon or raid. Characters also cannot enter Reaper dungeons if they are Epic level and the dungeon is not.


Why oh why is this in place? You just gave us a new hard mode, but you make this overlevel penalty forcing us again to run the same dozens of quests that we have been running for the past two years? Why? We were looking forward to run quests that were fun TO US, not being forced into running the same ones all over again.

I was looking forward to quests such as WGU, Abbot, ToD, Chronoscope, ADQ1, Partycrasher, Lord of Blades, MA, heck even Dreaming Dark and the many others that have been rendered dull due to powercreep, instead you are making us run Slavers all over again? And Shroud?

This is just honestly a gigantic fail in my eyes, and completely killed any interest that I had in this mode.

[kemetka]

Characters cannot enter a quest on Reaper Difficulty if they are more than two levels of the base challenge rating of the dungeon or raid. Characters also cannot enter Reaper dungeons if they are Epic level and the dungeon is not.


Why oh why is this in place? You just gave us a new hard mode, but you make this overlevel penalty forcing us again to run the same dozens of quests that we have been running for the past two years? Why? We were looking forward to run quests that were fun TO US, not being forced into running the same ones all over again.

I was looking forward to quests such as WGU, Abbot, ToD, Chronoscope, ADQ1, Partycrasher, Lord of Blades, MA, heck even Dreaming Dark and the many others that have been rendered dull due to powercreep, instead you are making us run Slavers all over again? And Shroud?

This is just honestly a gigantic fail in my eyes, and completely killed any interest that I had in this mode.

that information was stated a while ago, this is old news.

edit : also there is enough quests in the game to go from 1 - 20 on a 3rd life+ running everything once on normal, play something you normally dont run on reaper to increase your challenge as you wont know it that well.

If your only interest was running old quests in the new hard mode while sitting at cap to make them easier, then how much interest in having a challenge did you honestly have? If you want a real challenge why not trying going back to heroic levels and running that on reaper. Personally I'm looking forward to running low level content on reaper, especially to compaire the challenge rating between that and higher content.

TL;DR they arnt forcing you to run slavers, YOU are forcing you to run slavers.

[Wizza]

that information was stated a while ago, this is old news.

Maybe, but it wasn't implemented in Lamannia so far, so the point in the OP still stands if this is gonna be how it is.

[kemetka]

not really its similar to when they kept pushing back level cap, people knew it was gonna happen, and when it finally did they complained.

[Wizza]

Snip

Sure.

Back to the OP: do you like this change? Yes? No? Any opinion on this feature?

[CaptainPurge]

How many people didn't see this coming though? Admittedly, I haven't been following U34 closely so that's on me, the preparation for a reaper-ready alt changes now to run out of cap so it is time to get back to work.

[Wizza]

How many people didn't see this coming though? Admittedly, I haven't been following U34 closely so that's on me, the preparation for a reaper-ready alt changes now to run out of cap so it is time to get back to work.

I didn't. Why give us less quests to choose from when we could have every single quest in DDO? I don't think it makes much sense. If it's for the XP, noone even asked for Reaper to have XP. Noone asked for Resper trees and I think noone would care if entering an overlevel quest would give 0 XP at all.

[Sam-u-r-eye]

I think it would be appropriate to expand it to +4 levels (like epic streak) and then make remnants apply on that range as well.
This would make Wheloon and Stormhorns available.

Otherwise an overleveling penalty for NO XP.
But NOT a lock-out.

[Epicstorms]

I think it would be appropriate to expand it to +4 levels (like epic streak) and then make remnants apply on that range as well.
This would make Wheloon and Stormhorns available.

Otherwise an overleveling penalty for NO XP.
But NOT a lock-out.

This.

Or just XP penalties scaling per level.
Like -25% for +3 level,
-50% for +4 level,
-75% for +5 level,
no xp for +6 or higher

[Mr_Helmet]

I think it would be appropriate to expand it to +4 levels (like epic streak) and then make remnants apply on that range as well.
This would make Wheloon and Stormhorns available.

Like any of that loot's worth pursuing?

I was looking forward to 5+ Skull CiTW, not any longer.

[Tlorrd]

Characters cannot enter a quest on Reaper Difficulty if they are more than two levels of the base challenge rating of the dungeon or raid. Characters also cannot enter Reaper dungeons if they are Epic level and the dungeon is not.


Why oh why is this in place? You just gave us a new hard mode, but you make this overlevel penalty forcing us again to run the same dozens of quests that we have been running for the past two years? Why? We were looking forward to run quests that were fun TO US, not being forced into running the same ones all over again.

I was looking forward to quests such as WGU, Abbot, ToD, Chronoscope, ADQ1, Partycrasher, Lord of Blades, MA, heck even Dreaming Dark and the many others that have been rendered dull due to powercreep, instead you are making us run Slavers all over again? And Shroud?

This is just honestly a gigantic fail in my eyes, and completely killed any interest that I had in this mode.

you realize that there is a major content boost coming this year with stonelands, a new raid, and ravenloft expansion ... there will be lots of new content all over the place. Patience my padewon (sp?).

[JOTMON]

Characters cannot enter a quest on Reaper Difficulty if they are more than two levels of the base challenge rating of the dungeon or raid. Characters also cannot enter Reaper dungeons if they are Epic level and the dungeon is not.


Why oh why is this in place? You just gave us a new hard mode, but you make this overlevel penalty forcing us again to run the same dozens of quests that we have been running for the past two years? Why? We were looking forward to run quests that were fun TO US, not being forced into running the same ones all over again.

I was looking forward to quests such as WGU, Abbot, ToD, Chronoscope, ADQ1, Partycrasher, Lord of Blades, MA, heck even Dreaming Dark and the many others that have been rendered dull due to powercreep, instead you are making us run Slavers all over again? And Shroud?

This is just honestly a gigantic fail in my eyes, and completely killed any interest that I had in this mode.

it is going to screw a lot of players out of running content..

Ic an see it now..
Von5 Elite levels 20-30
Von5 reaper levels 20-22 be good and in your best destiny..
Level 23-29 toons.. guess its Elite for xp since we are locked out of reaper..
Level 30 toons standing around going ***... guess we are running slavers again....

[the_one_dwarfforged]

i have to agree reading this development has killed all the interest i had in reaper and is confusing.

one step forwards two steps back.

[blerkington]

SSG really seems to have lost sight of the premise that reaper was to provide challenging content at cap and without more power creep.

Locking out characters at cap from a large amount of this content is a big mistake. You're excluding people who have finished reincarnating and also those who don't like doing it. People will skip it rather than doing recincarnations they don't want to, particularly since the range of builds that will be useful on the highest difficulty will be quite narrow.

Reaper can't be all things to all people or it will end up pleasing nobody. Keep reaper for the best players on their strongest characters at cap, and address the problems with difficulty in the rest of your game separately.

Thanks.

[CaptainPurge]

SSG really seems to have lost sight of the premise that reaper was to provide challenging content at cap and without more power creep.

Locking out characters at cap from a large amount of this content is a big mistake. You're excluding people who have finished reincarnating and also those who don't like doing it. People will skip it rather than doing recincarnations they don't want to, particularly since the range of builds that will be useful on the highest difficulty will be quite narrow.

Reaper can't be all things to all people or it will end up pleasing nobody. Keep reaper for the best players on their strongest characters at cap, and address the problems with difficulty in the rest of your game separately.

Thanks.

This appears to be an uncompromising position from the producer(s).

It is also a chance for the new studio to show players love and backtrack on this idiocy. SSG could only gain respect from the community.

[Wizza]

Like any of that loot's worth pursuing?

I was looking forward to 5+ Skull CiTW, not any longer.

So you don'like Deathwyrm but were looking forward to run CitW. Couldn't expecting any different from you.

you realize that there is a major content boost coming this year with stonelands, a new raid, and ravenloft expansion ... there will be lots of new content all over the place. Patience my padewon (sp?).

Sorry but I have to wait 6 months to have quests to play? No thanks. And noone is assuring me those quests won't be as bad as Slave Lord's part 2 aka Opening Door Simulator 2016.

I'll take the actual good quests that are already in game any time.

[BigErkyKid]

SSG really seems to have lost sight of the premise that reaper was to provide challenging content at cap and without more power creep.

Locking out characters at cap from a large amount of this content is a big mistake. You're excluding people who have finished reincarnating and also those who don't like doing it. People will skip it rather than doing recincarnations they don't want to, particularly since the range of builds that will be useful on the highest difficulty will be quite narrow.

Reaper can't be all things to all people or it will end up pleasing nobody. Keep reaper for the best players on their strongest characters at cap, and address the problems with difficulty in the rest of your game separately.

Thanks.

Except that it turns out reaper was not to challenge cap players. It is not at cap specific activity, it is not the promised land of end game. It is yet another brand new hamster wheel.

Remember grinding epic destinies? Now you can grind some extremely generic and boring reaper PrEs.
Remember farming for rare items with some minor power addition? Mythic started with additional effects in epic necro but quickly descended to just some mythic bonuses to mrr or prr. Boring.

So reaper is doubling down on all what I dislike the most in ddo. Leveling and xp grinding while not at cap, check. Repeating the same content as nauseam for some rare drop, check. Continuation of a very generic numbers race, check.

Puagh

[BigErkyKid]

So you don'like Deathwyrm but were looking forward to run CitW. Couldn't expecting any different from you.



Sorry but I have to wait 6 months to have quests to play? No thanks. And noone is assuring me those quests won't be as bad as Slave Lord's part 2 aka Opening Door Simulator 2016.

I'll take the actual good quests that are already in game any time.

Rolf on slavers p2. It really is that.

I agree with the sentiment. Now, if they disallow reaper xp and loot from over level, I wonder how many people will choose to play reaper as they want it vs just for laughs and not caring about xp.

[Eth]

You can't even enter the quest anymore if overlevel?

[noinfo]

SSG really seems to have lost sight of the premise that reaper was to provide challenging content at cap and without more power creep.

Locking out characters at cap from a large amount of this content is a big mistake. You're excluding people who have finished reincarnating and also those who don't like doing it. People will skip it rather than doing reincarnations they don't want to, particularly since the range of builds that will be useful on the highest difficulty will be quite narrow.

Reaper can't be all things to all people or it will end up pleasing nobody. Keep reaper for the best players on their strongest characters at cap, and address the problems with difficulty in the rest of your game separately.

Thanks.

I can't agree more, I am not going to ETR any of my toons to do any of this content, I will never TR any of my toons unless I absolutely have to so this means I guess I will only ever be playing limited content. There is enough content for those who want to play the TR game, what we needed was something for those playing at cap. Sorry this took a huge down turn and lack of interest for me.