champions

[FranOhmsford]

Power... Hungry...
So, normal, no champs. Poor drops
Hard, tier1. Like it is now. Decent drops
Elite, tier2, a little more, need a plan. Previously best drops
Reap, tier3. nails. Better be prepared . Best drops and then some

So, risk, reward.
No guts, no glory, and no power

I would think you would be seeking challenge if you're after power
Like red named boss champs
That's where it's at

You know where/when my characters feel most powerful?
When Capped and Favour/Heroic Saga Farming!


Power and Challenge are OPPOSITES!

It's very easy to Challenge someone with no Power!
It's very hard to Challenge say Cassius Clay {Not sure it would be allowed to type his other name} or Roger Federer in their Pomp!

[Vish]

Fran,
I left one out...
Casual

Are you a casual champion?

And nobody seeking power ever gonna run with them
Flower sniffing complainers

On another note
I see lfm go up for lshroud normal
Lolz, no takers
I see lfm go up for hard slavers
Lolz, no takers
No risk, no reward
Not even worth the time

But seriously,
I run with casuals occasionally
It's really just a matter of comfort zone
People that are afraid of challenge
They can run higher
But are scared
Untested
They can, they just think they can't

And you'd get a serious amount of power if you kick Ali's ass,
Or federer
But don't be scared or you'll never make it...

[FranOhmsford]

On another note
I see lfm go up for lshroud normal
Lolz, no takers
I see lfm go up for hard slavers
Lolz, no takers
No risk, no reward
Not even worth the time

This is another point - Most players aren't interested in EITHER Challenge or Power for the sake of those things.

Most Players are simply interested in Risk vs Reward! {Whether they are OP or UP for that specific quest/difficulty if the Reward isn't there they won't do it!}.
This is the biggest problem around Reaper! And why Reaper should have been designed specifically for the small minority of Players who actually want the Challenge {Permadeathers being the obvious example of players who play for the Challenge and don't care about the Rewards!}.

[Powerhungry]

Power... Hungry...
So, normal, no champs. Poor drops
Hard, tier1. Like it is now. Decent drops
Elite, tier2, a little more, need a plan. Previously best drops
Reap, tier3. nails. Better be prepared . Best drops and then some

So, risk, reward.
No guts, no glory, and no power

I would think you would be seeking challenge if you're after power
Like red named boss champs
That's where it's at

The issue I have is the unbalancing of 100s of quests that the introduction of champions produced.
The previous devs created 100s of quests with extensive playtesting and tweaking to determine an appropriate CR for a quest. This current dev team introduced champions into those balanced quests to make the game harder (to compensate for the power avalanche (can hardly be called power creep anymore) and in so doing, broke the balance that was previously established. After earning all the past lives and good gear, those quests should be easier to do. I've earned it. For greater challenge then run reaper. Its challenge is above the quests intended design and is an unknown CR. This is where champions belong.