No Self Healing Debuff

[Natashaelle]

Your primary ability is only nerfed on yourself.

So which other character class primary abilities are nerfed for those classes ?

[Tlorrd]

I am looking forward being one

don't be ... you'll take my job away

[Visty]

You are suggesting that this nerf won't make Healers desiderable because they cant self-heal. Throw a Cocoon at the Healer if it's needed. You will have one person healing 5 (or 11), the others can help the healer when needed. Self-healing nerf should stay, and I think it's a nice way to nerf our toons.

you know, bringing up something that can already happen as a point for your argument about future modes just doesnt work

[Wizza]

So which other character class primary abilities are nerfed for those classes ?

Do you want me to tell you about the DPS nerf, or all Casters' CC nerf first?

It sounds twisted that a Cleric learns to position itself better? Then the discussion can end. Also because it's pretty pointless at this point.

Have fun in Reaper when it comes out

[Natashaelle]

Nah ... Cleric needs to learn how to avoid aggro ... Diplo, Fade into Weave, etc ... there are many ways to do it, you have to build for it, you can't assume to just stand in the fray and not expect to die.

And here we go again with the advice to others on how to play their own toons ...

[Natashaelle]

Do you want me to tell you about the DPS nerf, or all Casters' CC nerf first?

Yes. Do you provide up to -96% DPS, and provide say instead of 2000, 80 damage crits ?

[Rys]

don't be ... you'll take my job away

Pls rez

[Wizza]

Yes. Do you provide up to -96% DPS ?

I provide over -80% CC duration plus the DPS nerf. Tell me moar.

[Natashaelle]

I provide over -80% CC duration plus the DPS nerf. Tell me moar.

My question, how can I answer it ?

And crikey I'm still just suggesting a mitigation, whereas others are telling me that the Healer's primary source of healing should be some other character entirely.

Do Barbarians in Reaper rely on Wizards to attack people with Greataxes ? Do Rogues ask Warlocks to disable traps ?

[Tlorrd]

And here we go again with the advice to others on how to play their own toons ...

yes it is advice to others ... but the reality of the situation is that devs will not change the self-healing debuff to make exceptions for divines or clerics ... and really they shouldn't ... reaper is supposed to be tough ... and as Wizza said earlier, clerics need to learn to position themselves to survive and contribute, I whole heartedly agree ... clerics are not DPS in reaper ... they can contribute to some, but they are support ... healing and CC while not getting killed themselves ... maybe martyrdom coupled with death pact will have a use after all

[Wizza]

My question, how can I answer it ?

And crikey I'm still just suggesting a mitigation, whereas others are telling me that the Healer's primary source of healing should be some other character entirely.

Do Barbarians in Reaper rely on Wizards to attack people with Greataxes ? Do Rogues ask Warlocks to disable traps ?

Barbarians rely on the Healers to heal them, Healers rely on barbs to do DPS. The horror, I know, having to rely on teammates. I'm sorry you have to go through this.

[Tlorrd]

Pls rez

just a raise dead for you ... no real rez

[Natashaelle]

Barbarians rely on the Healers to heal them, Healers rely on barbs to do DPS. The horror, I know, having to rely on teammates. I'm sorry you have to go through this.

Healers in D&D have NEVER had to rely on anyone else for their own healing except in emergencies.

Barbarians do not have to rely on others to provide DPS.

And again -- when was the last time on Live that you practiced what you're trying to preach ?

[Rys]

just a raise dead for you ... no real rez

Better than animate ally....XD

[Wizza]

Healers in D&D have NEVER had to rely on anyone else for their own healing except in emergencies.

Barbarians do not have to rely on others to provide DPS.

And again -- when was the last time on Live that you practiced what you're trying to preach ?

Ok

[Natashaelle]

clerics are not DPS in reaper ... they can contribute to some, but they are support ... healing and CC while not getting killed themselves

You do not get to dictate how I should play my characters, and BTW take a look and you'll see that I've made zero dictations about how you should play yours.

[Tlorrd]

You do not get to dictate how I should play my characters, and BTW take a look and you'll see that I've made zero dictations about how you should play yours.

you are correct ... i was giving advice (solicited or not), but I was not dictating your playstyle. You can dps and/or CC and/or heal all you want on any type of character, cleric, paladin, etc. More power to you if you can do it well. My guess is that if you choose a certain role for a build that is not its main strength, it probably won't be successful in reaper 10. It can definitely work in regular questing. This is my guess and opinion, not fact.